Clare GAA Discussion part 2 , No Purple Jumpers Allowed !!

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Firstly congrats to St Breckans on a huge day for Lisdoonvarna and its surrounding areas, after an very impressive 7 point win over Tipp champions Moycarkey-Borris, in the Munster Intermediate club football semi-final. Aidan Davidson who scored 8 points for the winners and Dale Masterson in midfield were most impressive today for the North Clare outfit.

Joe McGann has been training with the Clare senior football panel, and is a very exciting prospect indeed. The likes of McGann, Padraig Kelly, Colm O'Brien plus Jonah Culligan from Ballyvaughan and co will be part of the St Breckans U21 side that will take on Kilmihil/Shannon Gaels in the Clare U21 A Football final, to be held in Cusack Park on next Sunday.

Fair dues also to manager Donie Garrihy. The man is an sensational motivator of a team and a damn good coach also. Garrihy celebrated on the double on Sunday, as the Clare Oscar Traynor Cup soccer team defeated Kerry 2-1 today, in which Garrihy is assistant manager. He led the county to 2 Oscar Traynor cup titles a few years back. Well done to one and all and I'm sure they will take on the challenge of the might of Templenoe, by believing in their own ability and along with the brilliant Declan O'Keeffe, who is coach of the side, they will try to manufacture a plan that gives them the best possible opportunity to be at the very least competitive. The Munster final will be held on Sunday December 1st.

However its hard luck to St Josephs Miltown, who gave their last drop for their club and their parish today. Personally Clonmel Commercials are a very impressive outfit and IMO I give them the tentative verdict to overcome Nemo Rangers in the Munster final. All the Kennedy's are briliiant footballers and by all accounts were the match-winners for them today. They are Tipp football's equivalent to the Maher's of Tipp hurling. Incredible family that. Thanks to treble double for a brilliant match analysis too.

Meanwhile in other Clare GAA news, the Clare senior hurlers had their first training session today ahead of the 2020 season. Anyone with any info on any new names that trained with the team, will be most welcome.

While in Clare football news, the Clare senior team have had a number of training sessions, ahead of the upcoming season. Along with McGann, Colm Collins has gone for youth in his training panel with Emmet McMahon and Shane Meehan just some of the notable names that are training with this very youthful panel at the moment. I have not heard whether Keelan Sexton is part of Colm Collins's plans for 2020. Anyone with any info on this, will be most welcome.

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Dickie9 wrote: »

Going on 2 day Nemo Rangers will start as favourites and will win by a canter against clonmel commercials

I disagree with this post Dickie9. They have the physicality and a gameplan to hurt teams this time of year. If Michael Quinlivan is on song for the Clonmel men, then I think that might just be enough to overcome Nemo, who themselves just about got over Newcastle West last week.

The Commercials are a lot better then NCW and with the Kennnedy's playing some great stuff for the 2015 Munster champions, then I think that they have a huge chance of creating a mini upset on December 1st.

1373

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Firstly congrats to St Breckans on a huge day for Lisdoonvarna and its surrounding areas, after an very impressive 7 point win over Tipp champions Moycarkey-Borris, in the Munster Intermediate club football semi-final. Aidan Davidson who scored 8 points for the winners and Dale Masterson in midfield were most impressive today for the North Clare outfit.

Joe McGann has been training with the Clare senior football panel, and is a very exciting prospect indeed. The likes of McGann, Padraig Kelly, Colm O'Brien plus Jonah Culligan from Ballyvaughan and co will be part of the St Breckans U21 side that will take on Kilmihil/Shannon Gaels in the Clare U21 A Football final, to be held in Cusack Park on next Sunday.

Fair dues also to manager Donie Garrihy. The man is an sensational motivator of a team and a damn good coach also. Garrihy celebrated on the double on Sunday, as the Clare Oscar Traynor Cup soccer team defeated Kerry 2-1 today, in which Garrihy is assistant manager. He led the county to 2 Oscar Traynor cup titles a few years back. Well done to one and all and I'm sure they will take on the challenge of the might of Templenoe, by believing in their own ability and along with the brilliant Declan O'Keeffe, who is coach of the side, they will try to manufacture a plan that gives them the best possible opportunity to be at the very least competitive. The Munster final will be held on Sunday December 1st.

However its hard luck to St Josephs Miltown, who gave their last drop for their club and their parish today. Personally Clonmel Commercials are a very impressive outfit and IMO I give them the tentative verdict to overcome Nemo Rangers in the Munster final. All the Kennedy's are briliiant footballers and by all accounts were the match-winners for them today. They are Tipp football's equivalent to the Maher's of Tipp hurling. Incredible family that. Thanks to treble double for a brilliant match analysis too.

Meanwhile in other Clare GAA news, the Clare senior hurlers had their first training session today ahead of the 2020 season. Anyone with any info on any new names that trained with the team, will be most welcome.

While in Clare football news, the Clare senior team have had a number of training sessions, ahead of the upcoming season. Along with McGann, Colm Collins has gone for youth in his training panel with Emmet McMahon and Shane Meehan just some of the notable names that are training with this very youthful panel at the moment. I have not heard whether Keelan Sexton is part of Colm Collins's plans for 2020. Anyone with any info on this, will be most welcome.

Don’t want to burst your bubble , but moycarkey would not even have their own footballs

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1373 wrote: »

Don’t want to burst your bubble , but moycarkey would not even have their own footballs

You can only beat what is put in front of you and by all accounts breckans beat them soundly, fair play to them and getting to a final is a fine achievement.
There is a reason why the Kerry teams clean up at intermediate and junior level and it's fairly simple they have only 8 senior club teams in the Kerry championship. So going by that their intermediate champions would be the 9 best club team in the county. In Clare there are 12 senior club teams making breckans the 13th best team in the county. So you have the 9th best team in football dominated Kerry against the 13th best team in so called hurling county Clare. It's an impossible task for Breckans's but best of luck to them and stranger things have happened.

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Dickie9 wrote: »

Going on 2 day Nemo Rangers will start as favourites and will win by a canter against clonmel commercials

A sign of the Times maybe, but Milltown or clonmel are much better then the current Austin stacks team

Plus the rockies had very little done in preparation for this, they were eliminated in round 2 of the kerry championship, don't write off the tipp men in the final, it will be close

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1373 wrote: »

Don’t want to burst your bubble , but moycarkey would not even have their own footballs

I was surprised myself when I heard who came out of tipperary, they are in the heart of pin knife country as far as football is concerned

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Templenoe beat coolmeen by 20 points in the 2015 Munster junior final, sums up the task facing the Spa,
Out of the 16 Munster intermediate championships played Kerry teams have won 12, cork the remaining 4.
Out of the 18 Munster junior championships played Kerry teams have won 15, Cork the remaining 3

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Treble double wrote: »

Templenoe beat coolmeen by 20 points in the 2015 Munster junior final, sums up the task facing the Spa,
Out of the 16 Munster intermediate championships played Kerry teams have won 12, cork the remaining 4.
Out of the 18 Munster junior championships played Kerry teams have won 15, Cork the remaining 3

So youre saying St breckans are not much better then coolmeen... Wtf

Breckans will give plenty of it to templenoe but won't beat em, coolmeen are nowhere near breckans level though

windy shepard henderson

To be fair templenoe, they wouldn't be far off the likes of kilmurry or Milltown, breckans would be 5 to 8 points off this level but improving ,

1373

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

I was surprised myself when I heard who came out of tipperary, they are in the heart of pin knife country as far as football is concerned

True , but I think they are one of the biggest parish’s in Munster by area

Pogue eile

Dickie9 wrote: »

Going on 2 day Nemo Rangers will start as favourites and will win by a canter against clonmel commercials

You are either grossly underestimating Clonmel or horrivbly overrating Nemo, will be little or nothing between them, the bookies spread of 2 points looks spot on to me.

Treble double wrote: »

You can only beat what is put in front of you and by all accounts breckans beat them soundly, fair play to them and getting to a final is a fine achievement.
There is a reason why the Kerry teams clean up at intermediate and junior level and it's fairly simple they have only 8 senior club teams in the Kerry championship. So going by that their intermediate champions would be the 9 best club team in the county. In Clare there are 12 senior club teams making breckans the 13th best team in the county. So you have the 9th best team in football dominated Kerry against the 13th best team in so called hurling county Clare. It's an impossible task for Breckans's but best of luck to them and stranger things have happened.

To continue that analysis, there are 16 senior teams in Tipperary, so Moycarkey are the 17th team in Tipp, no chance of competing at that level.

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Pogue eile wrote: »

You are either grossly underestimating Clonmel or horrivbly overrating Nemo, will be little or nothing between them, the bookies spread of 2 points looks spot on to me.



To continue that analysis, there are 16 senior teams in Tipperary, so Moycarkey are the 17th team in Tipp, no chance of competing at that level.

The Tipp intermediate hurling champions Sean Tracey's were ranked something like 31st in the county. There is senior a and b hurling competitions with around 30 senior club hurling teams in tipp

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Treble double wrote: »

The Tipp intermediate hurling champions Sean Tracey's were ranked something like 31st in the county. There is senior a and b hurling competitions with around 30 senior club hurling teams in tipp

Yea, I'd say there might be even be 32 senior teams there at the moment.

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Great achievement for Tulla who don't get to play in the Harty too often. Would be a great q/f if they met Flannans! Presume it can happen as Flannans topped their group and Tulla were runners up?

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Great achievement for Tulla who don't get to play in the Harty too often. Would be a great q/f if they met Flannans! Presume it can happen as Flannans topped their group and Tulla were runners up?

Of course Flannans v Tulla can happen. Teams that come out of pot 1 play against those in pot 2, in the quarter-final draw. The one caveat is however that teams that have already met in the Harty Cup group stages, cannot be paired against each other in this stage of the competition. Pot 1 has the following which are the respective group winners of groups a-d: St Flannans, CBC Cork, Thurles CBS and Cbs Midleton. Pot 2 has the runners-up in each of the 4 groups: St Joseph's Tulla, Our Ladys Templemore, St Colmans Fermoy and De La Salle Waterford.

On a separate note, the dates, times and venues for the upcoming McGrath Cup football and Munster Hurling league, along with the Munster senior and minor hurling and football championships, will be confirmed tomorrow.

Also tomorrow, the draws for both the Munster U20 hurling and football championships will take place during the Munster GAA CCC meeting.

Pogue eile

Treble double wrote: »

The Tipp intermediate hurling champions Sean Tracey's were ranked something like 31st in the county. There is senior a and b hurling competitions with around 30 senior club hurling teams in tipp

Yep 32nd, there was 31 senior teams last year and there will be 32 next year.

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Fixture details for the Munster senior hurling league have been announced.

We play 2 matches before the year end.

Sunday December 15th - away to Tipperary in Nenagh, with a 2 pm throw-in
Sunday December 29th - home to Limerick in Sixmilebridge, with a 2 pm throw-in

McGrath Cup football

Sunday December 29th - away to Limerick in Rathkeale, with a 2 pm throw-in
Sunday January 5th - home to Waterford, Time, date and venue TBC.

Clareman

Surprised that they aren't playing the league game in Wolfe Tones, Clarecastle and Scariff got games when Sparrow and Mike Mac were in charge anyway

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Clareman wrote: »

Surprised that they aren't playing the league game in Wolfe Tones, Clarecastle and Scariff got games when Sparrow and Mike Mac were in charge anyway

Pitch isn't up to taking much traffic on it these times.

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The Clare Champion are reporting some mixed news, in relation to the Clare senior hurling panel, that has their first training session in Caherlohan last Sunday.

David Reidy is back. But it appears Conor McGrath has played his last inter-county game, according to the paper. Very sad news if true, that a player who is under 30 still, has decided enough is enough. Years of him being flogged to death in training has caught up with him. A bit like Darach Honan and Conor Ryan, who retired due to serious injuries sustained, due to the same issues re overtraining, when they didn't even reach their prime of their hurling careers.

New names on the Clare panel include Clarecastle's Stephen O'Halloran, who makes a welcome return to the panel, along with Whitegate's Eoin Quirke. While Sixmilebridge's Paidi Fitzpatrick and Broadford's Stiofan McMahon, have been rewarded with their good performances in the Clare senior and intermediate hurling championships respectively this year, are also involved with the squad.

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Manager Brian Coffey has assembled his backroom team for the Clare minor hurling team, ahead of the 2020 Munster championship campaign.

According to the Clare Echo's Paudie McMahon, Clonlara's Oisin O'Brien and Niall O'Connor from Eire Og, son of Gerry O'Connor, will be the two coaches.

James Carrig who managed Wolfe Tones and now the current Crusheen senior hurling manager, Alphie Rodgers from Scariff and Sixmilebridge's Terence Chaplin are the selectors. While Ballyea's Paul Flanagan will also be part of the minor management, once he returns from travelling.

Great to see Brian bringing in the likes of Oisin, Niall and Paul who are young, vibrant and energetic men to the management team. Really good to see this. We just don't see this often enough in Clare GAA and long may it continue.

The first trials to putting a panel together, took place last Saturday. Their first challenge match will be quite soon. Looking forward to what appears to be a very special crop of minors for 2020.

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Times, dates and venues confirmed for the 2020 Munster senior hurling and football championship

Hurling

Tipp v Clare at Semple Stadium Thurles, Sunday 17th May at 4 pm
Clare v Limerick at Cusack Park, Ennis, Sunday 31st May at 4 pm
Cork v Clare at Pairc ui Chaoimh, Cork, Sunday 7th June at 2 pm
Clare v Waterford at Cusack Park, Ennis, Sunday 14th June at 2 pm

Football

Tipp v Clare at Semple Stadium Thurles, Saturday 9th May at 7 pm

Winners play Limerick/Waterford in semi-final on Saturday 30th May at 6:30 pm

The Clare U20 hurlers will take on Tipperary in the quarter-final of the Munster U20 hurling championship, to be played on June 30th in Thurles. The winners will play Waterford in the semi-final. Very tough draw that for Clare against the 2019 Munster and All-Ireland hurling champions.

The Clare U20 footballers will play Waterford in the quarter-final of the Munster U20 football championship, to be played on February 12th, at a Clare venue. The winners will play defending Munster and All-Ireland U20 football champions Cork in the semi-final on February 19th.

Minor hurling fixtures confirmed also.

Tipp v Clare Thurles 17/5/20 at 2 pm
Clare v Limerick in Ennis 31/5/20 at 2 pm
Cork v Clare 7/6/20 at PUC at 12 noon
Clare v Waterford 14/6/20 in Ennis at 12 noon

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Minor football fixtures confirmed tonight

Tipp v Clare in Tipp venue on 8/4/20
Clare v Waterford in Clare venue on 15/4/20
Clare v Limerick in Clare venue on 22/4/20

The top two in this group of 4 counties, outside of Cork and Kerry, will qualify for the Phase 1 final on 5/5/20. The winners will take on Cork and Kerry in Phase 2, with the top two in this group qualifying for a Munster final on June 21st and a guaranteed berth to the All-Ireland minor football championship Quarter-finals.

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As the annual Clare GAA county board convention, is set to take place on December 12th, we hope that we will see much needed change in the CB executive and that it will be a more open, transparent and accountable and not a closed shop, full of "yes men" administrators etc.

However it appears that a certain man out west, is about to become vice-chairman, after current incumbent PJ McGuane, indicated that he will seek a role in central council and thus vacate his role. If true and confirmed, it is a regressive step, in the way Clare GAA operates and does it's business. The particular man has been twice county board chairman in the past. I won't say much more about this man or else......

But it's not good news imo for Clare GAA, if he gets re-elected onto the executive. I have to be very careful about my language after recent events. But I can tell right now, those that want change and a new era for Clare GAA, this is a backward step for sure.

In other GAA news, Wolfe Tones are 4 points at half-time in extra-time against Miltown Malbay in the U21 B football semi-final. While Clare Junior A Football Champions, Michael Cusacks had another annus horribilis against Na Gaeil from Kerry, in the Munster Championship semi-final, 12 months after shipping another heavy defeat to Beaufort, also from the Kingdom, at this grade.

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As the annual Clare GAA county board convention, is set to take place on December 12th, we hope that we will see much needed change in the CB executive and that it will be a more open, transparent and accountable and not a closed shop, full of "yes men" administrators etc.

However it appears that a certain man out west, is about to become vice-chairman, after current incumbent PJ McGuane, indicated that he will seek a role in central council and thus vacate his role. If true and confirmed, it is a regressive step, in the way Clare GAA operates and does it's business. The particular man has been twice county board chairman in the past. I won't say much more about this man or else......

But it's not good news imo for Clare GAA, if he gets re-elected onto the executive. I have to be very careful about my language after recent events. But I can tell right now, those that want change and a new era for Clare GAA, this is a backward step for sure.

In other GAA news, Wolfe Tones are 4 points at half-time in extra-time against Miltown Malbay in the U21 B football semi-final. While Clare Junior A Football Champions, Michael Cusacks had another annus horribilis against Na Gaeil from Kerry, in the Munster Championship semi-final, 12 months after shipping another heavy defeat to Beaufort, also from the Kingdom, at this grade.

I have a bee in my bonnet about inter provincial intermediate and junior competition. That Beaufort team would probably hold its own at Senior level in Clare. It's madness putting our junior teams up against them. As long as club structures are vastly different in every county I think inter provincial intermediate and junior competitions don't have much relevance

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Treble double wrote: »

I have a bee in my bonnet about inter provincial intermediate and junior competition. That Beaufort team would probably hold its own at Senior level in Clare. It's madness putting our junior teams up against them. As long as club structures are vastly different in every county I think inter provincial intermediate and junior competitions don't have much relevance

I don't think you can put this down to differences in club stuctures in the two counties. It's far more about the standard of football in the two counties.

8 club teams in the Kerry Senior Championship this year, 16 in the Kerry Intermediate Championship making Na Gaeil the 25th best club in Kerry if you go by county championships rankings.

I believe there was 12 clubs in the Clare Senior Championship this year and 12 in the Clare Intermediate Championship this year which would make Michael Cusacks the 25th best club in Clare if you go by the county championship rankings.

25th best football club in Kerry versus 25th best football club in Clare.

In Kerry the winners of the senior hurling take part in the Munster Intermediate hurling and the winners of the intermediate enter the Munster Junior hurling.

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Boom__Boom wrote: »

I don't think you can put this down to differences in club stuctures in the two counties. It's far more about the standard of football in the two counties.

8 club teams in the Kerry Senior Championship this year, 16 in the Kerry Intermediate Championship making Na Gaeil the 25th best club in Kerry if you go by county championships rankings.

I believe there was 12 clubs in the Clare Senior Championship this year and 12 in the Clare Intermediate Championship this year which would make Michael Cusacks the 25th best club in Clare if you go by the county championship rankings.

25th best football club in Kerry versus 25th best football club in Clare.

In Kerry the winners of the senior hurling take part in the Munster Intermediate hurling and the winners of the intermediate enter the Munster Junior hurling.

Fair point, but if comparing like with like what are the numbers of adult football clubs in Kerry compared to adult football clubs in Clare, I don't have the figures but I would think Kerry have possibly double the amount of Clare. When you go outside the top 6 or 7 clubs in Clare there is a big drop off in standard. The top clubs in Clare could hold their own in most company.

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Boom__Boom wrote: »

I don't think you can put this down to differences in club stuctures in the two counties. It's far more about the standard of football in the two counties.

8 club teams in the Kerry Senior Championship this year, 16 in the Kerry Intermediate Championship making Na Gaeil the 25th best club in Kerry if you go by county championships rankings.

I believe there was 12 clubs in the Clare Senior Championship this year and 12 in the Clare Intermediate Championship this year which would make Michael Cusacks the 25th best club in Clare if you go by the county championship rankings.

25th best football club in Kerry versus 25th best football club in Clare.

In Kerry the winners of the senior hurling take part in the Munster Intermediate hurling and the winners of the intermediate enter the Munster Junior hurling.

junior level in both hurling and football here is normally contested by 2nd string teams and the odd first team in the likes of michael cusacks

problem is we have the best part of 25 to 30 clubs in both codes most of which duel , when you have a 16 team hurling and 12 team football championship dividing by 3 from say a figure of 30 (ambitious) means your junior level will be poor

its what works for us when we pick our senior inter county teams and makes us competitive its just the way it is , i think tipperary have more senior hurling clubs then we have clubs playing hurling in clare yet we are well able to compete with them

we just need to find other ways to be competitive with kerry in football . the st breckans v templenoe game will be a bar to see if we are making or losing ground on kerry teams , anything near 8 points would be a positive for breckans

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windy shepard henderson wrote: »

junior level in both hurling and football here is normally contested by 2nd string teams and the odd first team in the likes of michael cusacks

problem is we have the best part of 25 to 30 clubs in both codes most of which duel , when you have a 16 team hurling and 12 team football championship dividing by 3 from say a figure of 30 (ambitious) means your junior level will be poor

its what works for us when we pick our senior inter county teams and makes us competitive its just the way it is , i think tipperary have more senior hurling clubs then we have clubs playing hurling in clare yet we are well able to compete with them

we just need to find other ways to be competitive with kerry in football . the st breckans v templenoe game will be a bar to see if we are making or losing ground on kerry teams , anything near 8 points would be a positive for breckans

If Kerry had over half their county solely concentrating on hurling it would be easy enough compete with them in football.