Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Professor Moriarty

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Brexit meps Booed during her speech earlier.

Stay classy lads

Booing? FFS. I would be so embarrassed to be British while watching that. If they were my children I'd be embarrassed, never mind my politicians.

black forest

There is not much to add. No change in the stance of the EU with Von der Layen.

https://news.sky.com/video/eu-ursula-von-der-leyen-it-is-very-difficult-to-have-brexit-11764570

Joe_ Public

These Labour rebel Leavers are truly the worst of all. She wouldn't support the WAB because it didn't protect workers rights enough, so now she'll consider supporting a no deal exit even though that doesnt protect workers rights, or any rights, at all. Nor will she rule out not supporting her party in a no confidence motion against a tory pm. "It's poker," she says. The jobs and welfare of her constituents reduced to the level of a card game.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-49007176/brexit-labour-mp-sarah-champion-on-brexit-vote

Spanish Eyes

Well I would love Johnson or Hunt to reply to her in German.

Those two are only educated to feel they are the elites, and it was ever thus.

trellheim

5 year graph of sterling to euro, nearly all time high

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=GBP&view=5Y


she gonna blow .90334 at close holy wingdings batman if you are going to buy a car in the UK fill your boots boys ( expect it to get far worse as Johnson blusters on )

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trellheim wrote: »

5 year graph of sterling to euro, nearly all time high
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=GBP&view=5Y
she gonna blow .90334 at close holy wingdings batman if you are going to buy a car in the UK fill your boots boys ( expect it to get far worse as Johnson blusters on )

In fairness, it's hit this point at least 4 times in the last 2yrs, and briefly .92 at a couple of those.

If it should see .93+ that would start to get interesting.

Other news: Ursula von der Leyen was elected with 52.3%.
52% is a clear majority for the EU28: With 383 votes for and 327 votes against out of 733 votes cast.

Enzokk

BluePlanet wrote: »

Reuters has some questionable reporting:

"Factbox: EU prepares possible Brexit olive branch for new UK PM" <-really this is a FACT? Who are the sources? "Diplomats and officials in Brussels told Reuters".



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-factbox/factbox-eu-prepares-possible-brexit-olive-branch-for-new-uk-pm-idUKKCN1UB1S1?rpc=401&

I don't think the report is that far off, we know the EU has said no changes to the backstop and those proposals are exactly that. They are what was promised to May as well, just some new wording attached to it and the removal of the all UK customs union.

trellheim

that would appear to be reheated leftovers.

Stop moaning ffs

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Booing? FFS. I would be so embarrassed to be British while watching that. If they were my children I'd be embarrassed, never mind my politicians.

Weirdly enough only reported on LBC in the uk.

I’d say outlets have decided either randomly or collectively to ignore all future antics by them and not report them.

That would be a godsend for some small form of sanity.
Deny them the oxygen they so badly crave.

Thargor

Interesting theory from a good source on who leaked the ambassador cables:

https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1150903629374787584

10000maniacs

Deleted User wrote: »

I refer you back to a post I made a few minutes ago, most people in Ireland simply don't understand the Brexiteer mindset.

Just watched the Johnson/Hunt debate on YouTube. Johnson gestures his distaste of the backstop by punching his right arm as if to involuntaraly hit an imaginary backstop in front of him. That gesture says all you need to know about Johnsons irritation with Ireland.

trellheim

Thargor wrote: »

Interesting theory from a good source on who leaked the ambassador cables:

https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1150903629374787584

this stank of Williamson all the way its exactly the shenanigans he might play

bilston

Thargor wrote: »

Interesting theory from a good source on who leaked the ambassador cables:

https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1150903629374787584

If Williamson has been caught out...AGAIN...then surely he has to face severe consequences. He clearly hasn't learnt anything from the Huawei business.

Hasn't Williamson been mooted as Johnson's foreign secretary. No wonder Hunt is keen to try and resurrect the Iranian nuclear deal in short order. British foreign policy under Johnson and Williamson could become very Trumpian.

Anybody watching Newnight?

Can’t believe (okay maybe I can) the inability of the British to grasp things from our end.
Neil Richmond laid the backstop situation out so clearly and even the host was trying to argue argue with him that it was basically just the Irish being difficult and that they should give in.

The mind boggles

MrMusician18

Thargor wrote: »

Interesting theory from a good source on who leaked the ambassador cables:

https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1150903629374787584

The only problem with that theory is that Williamson wasn't in a cabinet post when the state visit happened and the leaks had some info on that.

10000maniacs

Batrachotox wrote: »

Anybody watching Newnight?

Can’t believe (okay maybe I can) the inability of the British to grasp things from our end.
Neil Richmond laid the backstop situation out so clearly and even the host was trying to argue argue with him that it was basically just the Irish being difficult and that they should give in.

The mind boggles

Yes, Emily Maitlis can't grasp the Irish position at all.
It's all about perception over here.
It's the events that lead to a hard border that count, not the hard border itself.
The Tories are willing to rip up the Good Friday agreement and any hard border that emerges on October 31st is solely down to the Tories, the DUP and certain elements of the Labour party. Partition is an unnatural creation by the UK and while it suits the DUP and many of the UUP, is incompatible with Brexit.
It would be political suicide for Fine Gael and the EU to renege on the Good Friday Agreement. Bottom line.

Strazdas

Batrachotox wrote: »

Anybody watching Newnight?

Can’t believe (okay maybe I can) the inability of the British to grasp things from our end.
Neil Richmond laid the backstop situation out so clearly and even the host was trying to argue argue with him that it was basically just the Irish being difficult and that they should give in.

The mind boggles

If the UK leave the EU without the backstop. there would be no incentive whatsoever for the Brexiteers to solve the Irish border issue.

They'd have bigger fish to fry and the border wouldn't even be a priority for them.

xper

Batrachotox wrote: »

Anybody watching Newnight?

Can’t believe (okay maybe I can) the inability of the British to grasp things from our end.
Neil Richmond laid the backstop situation out so clearly and even the host was trying to argue argue with him that it was basically just the Irish being difficult and that they should give in.

The mind boggles

I’ve lost count of the number of times an Irish politician has appeared on Newsnight in the last year and patiently and calmly explained the Irish government’s policy on Brexit. They have been clear, consistent and well briefed without exception, often in stark contrast to whatever brexiteer is also on.

It’s hard to believe when you also know about all the carry on, gaffs and incompetence on our domestic stage.

10000maniacs wrote: »

Yes, Emily Maitlis can't grasp the Irish position at all.
It's all about perception over here.
It's the events that lead to a hard border that count, not the hard border itself.
The Tories are willing to rip up the Good Friday agreement and any hard border that emerges on October 31st is solely down to the Tories, the DUP and certain elements of the Labour party. Partition is an unnatural creation by the UK and while it suits the DUP and many of the UUP, is incompatible with Brexit.
It would be political suicide for Fine Gael and the EU to renege on the Good Friday Agreement. Bottom line.

I am not sure that Emily Maitlis doesn’t get the Irish point of view, more that she was just playing the devil’s advocate role and making the brexiteer counter argument.
Newsnight presenters seem to have slipped into this mode of interviewing persons from either side of Brexit- or Trump-related discussions individually rather than have them ‘debate’ with each other as that has tended to descend into trading contradictions and ad hominem attacks more quickly than normal political wrangling. But it’s very crude style and I don’t think it is much of an improvement.

Tell me how

Batrachotox wrote: »

Anybody watching Newnight?

Can’t believe (okay maybe I can) the inability of the British to grasp things from our end.
Neil Richmond laid the backstop situation out so clearly and even the host was trying to argue argue with him that it was basically just the Irish being difficult and that they should give in.

The mind boggles

There's a thread on Boards at moment where people are decrying Neale's comments that a salary of 66k is poor for a senator.

Lots on that thread don't seem to appreciate what he has brought to his role.

I think him, Coveney, McGuinness and McEntee have been excellent for Ireland.

Peregrinus

BluePlanet wrote: »

Does anyone know of a site that has a list of all the hold-over things that have been agreed?
I mean things like - a window of time to allow air flights etc?
I saw a list posted once by a Brexit supporter but cannot find it now.

Little or nothing has been agreed.

The UK has announced (in a series of "technical notices") certain things it proposes to do, but it hasn't entered into any agreement with the EU under which it is bound to do them, and it can stop doing them any time it likes. This page is a gateway to the UK's technical notices.

Similarly, the EU has announced the measures it intends to put in place if the UK exits without a deal. These are unilateral measures, decided upon by the EU for its own benefit. They haven't been agreed with anyone. They can be withdrawn at any time, and will be, when it suits the EU. This page is a gateway to the EU's Brexit preparedness notices, and this deals specifically with a no-deal Brexit.

ambro25

Stddop moaning ffs wrote: »

Brexit meps Booed during her speech earlier.

Stay classy lads

Little chance of that:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JMcCawberMEP/status/1150842771432988672

I'm beginning to wonder whether there is a master plan behind the obnoxious behaviour of Brexit Party MEPs in and around the European Parliament, of getting themselves landed into disciplinary procedures to amp up the blame game ('democratically-elected representatives getting hard done by the dictatorial EU'-style propaganda).

I mean, are other Eurosceptic MEPs from Lega North, Five Star, LePen's group <etc> getting up to even a 10th of that?

BobbyBobberson

ambro25 wrote: »

Little chance of that:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JMcCawberMEP/status/1150842771432988672

I'm beginning to wonder whether there is a master plan behind the obnoxious behaviour of Brexit Party MEPs in and around the European Parliament, of getting themselves landed into disciplinary procedures to amp up the blame game ('democratically-elected representatives getting hard done by the dictatorial EU'-style propaganda).

I mean, are other Eurosceptic MEPs from Lega North, Five Star, LePen's group <etc> getting up to even a 10th of that?

That is a parody account.

Leroy42

But like all good parody it is based on believability.

Peregrinus

Leroy42 wrote: »

But like all good parody it is based on believability.

Yes. But there is nevertheless an important distinction between the true and the merely believable.

Tigerbaby

As an aid to establish our reference point,, I think the Irish Government need to re-establish what it is we are talking about.

We are not ( any longer ) talking about the Irish Border

We are referring to the British Border on the Island of Ireland.

If needed, we can draw simple cartoon pictures for the hard of perceiving also.

kunst nugget

Probably already posted but this is gas...

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1151186908392951809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1151186908392951809&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2057993229%26page%3D44

Nody

ambro25 wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder whether there is a master plan behind the obnoxious behaviour of Brexit Party MEPs in and around the European Parliament, of getting themselves landed into disciplinary procedures to amp up the blame game ('democratically-elected representatives getting hard done by the dictatorial EU'-style propaganda).

You're implying they actually will stick around and attend sessions this time around rather than simply sit them out and collect the money? Either way at best they are doing it to try to annoy EU to force the crash out; most likely they are simply to stupid and childish to have a plan or think something but simply act as B actors and do what Farage tell them to do "to fight EU".

FrancieBrady

Tell me how wrote: »

There's a thread on Boards at moment where people are decrying Neale's comments that a salary of 66k is poor for a senator.

Lots on that thread don't seem to appreciate what he has brought to his role.

I think him, Coveney, McGuinness and McEntee have been excellent for Ireland.

For clarity, it wasn't just his comments about his salary, but the whole whinge tone of the interview.

I said he has done well on Brexit but was critical of him overall.
The Irish legislature has been very cohesive so far on Brexit.

boggerman1

Batrachotox wrote: »

Anybody watching Newnight?

Can’t believe (okay maybe I can) the inability of the British to grasp things from our end.
Neil Richmond laid the backstop situation out so clearly and even the host was trying to argue argue with him that it was basically just the Irish being difficult and that they should give in.

The mind boggles

Saw that last nite.as usual with the BBC they allowed a brexiteer to spout the usual nonsense.then on comes Redmond to calmly dismantle both the lies and the host.Britain is fcuked and let them off on October 31st

Professor Moriarty

boggerman1 wrote: »

Saw that last nite.as usual with the BBC they allowed a brexiteer to spout the usual nonsense.then on comes Redmond to calmly dismantle both the lies and the host.Britain is fcuked and let them off on October 31st

I thought Maitlis dismantled Habib. He was visibly shaken when she pointed out that his property development company had millions put aside to profit from a No Deal Brexit.