Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

is_that_so

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Did they?

According to Leo he was never given the power to promise the report would not go public....but that is what he done

Leo said he would have released the report only that had happened

So if this person was hired who gave him the right to make a decision if the report was going to be released or not?

So either Leo is lying? Or this guy is a bit dodgy

Do you agree?

I have no idea. If he says it will be published one must suppose that they intend to at some point.

is_that_so

tototoe wrote: »

It's aim, was to take the heat out of the story and hope the plebs forgot about it, and the media had moved on by the time the report came out. It failed in that regard.

If Boris announces a no-deal Brexit tomorrow as policy it'll be relegated to some other page. Political inconvenience to governments generate interest but people also expect the real news.

McMurphy

is_that_so wrote: »

One may be a whole easier to prove legally.

Lol, nicely dodged.

is_that_so

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Lol, nicely dodged.

Well that's what legal people get paid to do! Burden of proof and all that.

Shefwedfan

is_that_so wrote: »

If Boris announces a no-deal Brexit tomorrow as policy it'll be relegated to some other page. Political inconvenience to governments generate interest but people also expect the real news.

FG would love that but unfortuneatly Boris is not an idiot and he won't do that......

tototoe

is_that_so wrote: »

If Boris announces a no-deal Brexit tomorrow as policy it'll be relegated to some other page. Political inconvenience to governments generate interest but people also expect the real news.

They also expect honest , or at least moral politicians as well..or should. Thats not working out so great either tbh. The point stands about the purpose of the report.

is_that_so

Shefwedfan wrote: »

FG would love that but unfortuneatly Boris is not an idiot and he won't do that......

Nobody would love it. Boris doesn't know what Boris will do half the time!

is_that_so

tototoe wrote: »

They also expect honest , or at least moral politicians as well..or should. Thats not working out so great either tbh. The point stands about the purpose of the report.

This whole thing has been consigned to that very grey area of errors of judgement. Nobody quits for that.

Shefwedfan

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody would love it. Boris doesn't know what Boris will do half the time!

Based on what?


His education was one of the best schools in the World. He was a journalist, has been on TV, etc etc etc



He was proEurope till he seen a gap and then flipped to be proBrexit. That didn't work out too bad


He was supposed to be the next prime minister after Brexit but he made sure he wasn't because he knew it was a disaster, now comes in right at the time when he is seen as the savior


Leo hasn't a patch on him....

Franz Von Peppercorn II

is_that_so wrote: »

This whole thing has been consigned to that very grey area of errors of judgement. Nobody quits for that.

If the insurance industry continues to go tits up, if businesses go bust and not only have FG
not done anything about it but have buried a report on one of their members then we will be welcoming a FF government in a year or two.

Snow Garden

is_that_so wrote: »

You've made my point about him quite well. He trots out all sorts of loose speculation with no support. This stuff works well with a captive audience.

I think you need to read it again.

The inquiry report isn't published; Varadkar made a statement that supposedly summarised aspects of the report. His excuse for not publishing is that witnesses were interviewed on a confidential basis.This is nonsense. It gives the impression that there are all sorts of private matters, inside information, which witnesses revealed on a strictly confidential basis. There's no evidence that this happened.

I don't see the speculation. We all know who involved. The Dean have CCTV evidence. It's already public knowledge that Maria had lied on an affidavit.

So who were the witnesses were interviewed on a confidential basis???
The Swing?
Maria Bailey?
The Dean?

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/gene-kerrigan-mr-justice-varadkar-has-ruled-on-bailey-38351906.html

This should, of course, be a matter for due process by the appropriate authorities. Instead, Varadkar has hijacked the issue. He has ruled on whether Bailey broke the law, he's given his own version of what the private FG report says.

And, now, all he has to worry about is the vengeful FG mob who think he's a softy for not kicking Bailey when she's down.

Fine Gael fought the law and the law sure as hell didn't win.

boombang

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Bailey still making it into the newspapers and onto the national airwaves. Bailey and Leo's terrible handling of same discussed on RTE radio one earlier.

Which RTE radio programme covered this? I'd like to listen back if I could.

I've been listening out for coverage and I've been amazed by how little attention there has been and how sympathetic the little has been to Maria Bailey.

Gen.Zhukov

boombang wrote: »

Which RTE radio programme covered this? I'd like to listen back if I could.

I've been listening out for coverage and I've been amazed by how little attention there has been and how sympathetic the little has been to Maria Bailey.

Marian Finucane

Shemale

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irfu-forced-to-tackle-fans-hit-by-rugby-balls-at-the-aviva-73zzdjfr7?shareToken=d3db23f0c007b559bd016acb570418e6

Seriously this country is a f**king joke

The ****ing dolt at the NZ game should never get tickets again, lucky enough to get tickets and not watching the game or would have seen huge eggcoming straight for her.

boombang

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

Marian Finucane

Thanks Zhukov.

I was glad to hear a good roasting of Maria and Leo on the airwaves. I think RTE are too timid to do it themselves, but the guests for the newspaper panel did it for them. I think the panel were much more representative of (most) public opinion and it's important this is aired.

Shemale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a lot easier to hurl from the ditch, SF for example have made great strides doing just that. It's also easier to make promises (again SF are taskmasters at this) when you're in opposition.

Like saying:
We are going to burn the bondholders
We are going to tackle fraud
They caused the bust by using the property market to drive the economy
The overspend on X, rabble rabble
Our 5 point plan

That kind of thing?

Shemale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Okay Trolls - here ye go... There's this thing called google. I wont expect an apology.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/td-maria-bailey-has-suffered-badly-for-her-mistake-but-this-isnt-over-yet/ar-AAELgIp

For a start, he concludes that this was not a fraudulent case. It's true that Ms Bailey suffered injuries when she fell from a swing in The Dean Hotel in July 2015.

So, we are taking as gospel what Leo says was reported in an 'internal review' by a barrister paid for by FG, a report he wont release, yeah, seems legit

The only injury she suffered was abuse when people found out about her claim when we all crossed humanity.

holyhead

She has been widely ridiculed the length and breadth of the country. Everyone now knows her name. She has destroyed her reputation. If she could run a marathon just weeks after the swing incident then she wasn't seriously hurt or hurt enough to justify taking a claim. Once she ran to be a TD the claim should have been dropped (put down as an error of judgment etc). Once confirmed as a TD she should have discontinued the claim. To continue to pursue the claim once elected was reckless and idiotic. It was always going to become public knowledge once the hotel refused to roll over.

I'm curious as to when she informed those in power in FG that she had taken a case.

Shemale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.lawlibrary.ie/members/R.-David-Kennedy/388.aspx

Take it up with him or the Bar. Let me know how you get on.

Thanks for that, it appears he specialises in an awful lot of Law but not Tort, interesting selection for a review of alleged personal injuries....


"Specialisation
Environmental Law
Succession Law
Trusts
Landlord & Tenant & Equity Law
Tax Law
Planning & Local Government Law
Banking, Finance & Securities
Medical Law
Conveyancing & Property Law
Probate Law"

Snow Garden

holyhead wrote: »

She has been widely ridiculed the length and breadth of the country. Everyone now knows her name. She has destroyed her reputation. If she could run a marathon just weeks after the swing incident then she wasn't seriously hurt or hurt enough to justify taking a claim. Once she ran to be a TD the claim should have been dropped (put down as an error of judgment etc). Once confirmed as a TD she should have discontinued the claim. To continue to pursue the claim once elected was reckless and idiotic. It was always going to become public knowledge once the hotel refused to roll over.

I'm curious as to when she informed those in power in FG that she had taken a case.

It wasn't a marathon. It was a 10k in 53 minutes which is a decent time. It was 3 weeks after the fall.
She signed an affidavit stating that she could not run at all for 3 months. That was a lie.

Shemale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It seems I'm competing against a circle jerk here. Here's another source, maybe if you read this one carefully (take off the FG are all bad glasses) you might see what I'm saying is correct.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bailey-did-not-make-fraudulent-claim-against-hotel-taoiseach-says-1.3965325




The report, carried out by David Kennedy SC, will not be published but Mr Varadkar said Mr Kennedy’s inquiry confirmed Ms Bailey “sustained painful injuries and incurred significant medical bills as a result”.
“The accident happened and the injuries were real and were confirmed by medical reports,” a statement from the Taoiseach said. “The inquiry states that it was not a fraudulent claim.”

You do realise that David Kennedy SC would not allow Leo to misquote him if what Leo is attributing to Kennedy isn't what he said.


But, keep up with the BS JD, your comrades will thank your posts regardless of what you post.

You realise the quotes are from Leos interpretation of Kennedy's report, if he is wrong he can use the FG line of I made an error.

ChikiChiki

Shemale wrote: »

So, we are taking as gospel what Leo says was reported in an 'internal review' by a barrister paid for by FG, a report he wont release, yeah, seems legit

The only injury she suffered was abuse when people found out about her claim when we all crossed humanity.

On the grapevine Varadkar, Madigan, Bailey and a FG spin team met in Dublin to corroborate their story prior to the engagement of David Kennedy. The story they allegedly agreed to spin with was that Bailey was only looking for medical costs. The extent of the real claim and advice provided was allegedly known before this meeting and maybe before the scandal broke by all at the meeting.

There is plenty of legs in this story yet. Perhaps the FG spin team should make a few claims for each time they have tripped themselves up.

holyhead

Snow Garden wrote: »

It wasn't a marathon. It was a 10k in 53 minutes which is a decent time. It was 3 weeks after the fall.
She signed an affidavit stating that she could not run at all for 3 months. That was a lie.

Cheers for correcting that. I should have said run in lieu of marathon!

holyhead

Until Bailey is no longer an FG TD this story will linger over Varadkar like a bad smell. The press continue to find new angles. Bailey passed up numerous opportunities to in a dignified way put this to bed. Indeed maybe she has a future career as a grave digger

Shemale

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How dya like those apples, pal?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The apples didn’t fall far from the tree.

Maria Bailey is a bad apple
She was the apple of her fathers eye
The apple didnt fall far from the tree
She has really upset the apple cart
When she fell she possibly had cider inside her inside

Not directly related to MB, but the comment from the ECB source regarding the Irish government's choice as head of the Irish Central Bank is worrying if it's an accurate reflection of this government's thinking:

.... However, the Government decision was caught up in a controversy involving Mr Makhlouf in New Zealand. It emerged he claimed the accidental leak of sensitive budgetary material was a result of a hack, but a follow-up police inquiry found no evidence of a hack.

The Government stuck to its decision to appoint Mr Makhlouf despite ECB concerns, which are understood to include the fact that Mr Makhlouf is not an economist, as well as the controversies in New Zealand.

Another ECB concern, according to sources, was that Mr Maklouf holds a British passport, an indication of post-Brexit tensions at play within the institutions of the European Union. When he takes up his Central Bank role, Mr Makhlouf will also become a member of the ECB’s governing council. There was annoyance in Dublin that the ECB would seek to intervene in a decision that is the preserve of a sovereign government.

A senior ECB official said there was considerable surprise in Frankfurt at Mr Makhlouf’s appointment ahead of Sharon Donnery, who narrowly lost out last November in the competition to become the next chair of the ECB’s banking supervision arm.

Ms Donnery had been one of the final two candidates to chair the Single Supervisory Mechanism, a post which was regarded as far more senior than governor of a national central bank, said the official.

The previous two governors, Philip Lane and Patrick Honohan, had stood up to the Government on several policy matters, most recently on mortgage lending limits. And Ms Donnery was perceived in Frankfurt as an economist of similar character.

“It seemed the Government had decided it didn’t want an economist like the last two governors,” added the ECB source. (ECB raised concerns over new Central Bank of Ireland boss)

Suckit

Shemale wrote: »

Maria Bailey is a bad apple
She was the apple of her fathers eye
The apple didnt fall far from the tree
She has really upset the apple cart
When she fell she possibly had cider inside her inside

JF would know all the phrases with his degree in behavioral psychology, and his barfly buddies to practice on.

There is no defending her anymore. So now they are just trying to defend their beloved party. But, if you want to defend the wood you cut out the rot. They could of course keep telling everybody else that they are all wrong and that maybe they don't understand how certain things work, or possibly keep telling them that certain things didn't happen (regardless of what it says in the media).

See how far that gets them. People aren't stupid, some are some of the time, but there is far too much going on for Leo et al to be watching and taking account for. He is just showing in all his glory, how weak a leader he is.

Leo must be up there as one of the (if not the) most unliked leaders in Ireland since the *first Dail of 1919, and that is saying a lot.
He had a lot of expectations on him, he had a lot going for him, he took over from Ende, and he was to be modern Ireland.

My, how he has fallen.



*I know if I had put of all time, it would definitely have detracted from my point and on to some BS.

McMurphy

Do you ever get the feeling that this thread is being monitored, not just by moderators?

Leo Varadkar bombarded with Maria Bailey swing-gate mail from 'lifelong voters' deserting Fine Gael

Some of the correspondence appears to have been based on a template. They all say that they would not be voting for Fine Gael in the local elections, and ministers including Josepha Madigan, Charlie Flanagan and Regina Doherty are copied in on the emails.

Here's my own.



**Waves at Leo**

Charmeleon

There is no defending MB. Maybe part of the reason there’s so much emphasis on claiming the story has run its course or that anyone outraged by the sheer neck of this stunt must be a SF/PBP stooge is because we haven’t found out yet who signed the shakedown letter sent to The Dean looking for 20K.

inforfun

Deleted User wrote: »

Are police making the laws now, I thought it was down to the judiciary and the Dail. A lawyer reviewed her case and said it wasn't fraud.

And another "lawyer" told her she had an open and shut case.....