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Bike Park Ireland closed this weekend

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    #122
    cjt156
    Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭cjt156


    I'm usually not in favour of too much state intervention but the Government will have to step in. Set up a national insurance agency and fight spurious claims to the bitter end.


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    #123
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The government are going to have to step in, they can't contuine to talk out of both sides of their mouth. Encouraging healthier more active lifestyles on one hand while watching idly by as activity based business close due to insurance costs.
    Not that I expect the current crowd to do anything, its all about pr and spin for them than real results :mad:


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    #124
    xxyyzz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    I read yesterday that even the bouncy castle businesses will be losing their insurance as most of them are insured in the UK


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    #125
    covey123
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭covey123


    Soon,this will be true....


    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/03/14/waterford-man-awarded-e179k-after-receiving-bad-pint-from-city-night-club/


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    #126
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    rizzodun wrote: »
    A model like New Zealand could work, if the political will was there.

    https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/new-zealand-became-home-extreme-sports.htm

    The political will isn't even there to hold their own responsible for insurance fraud.

    FG are all talk and zero action.


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    #127
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    caff wrote: »
    Nothing will be done until it starts hitting football gaa and golf clubs

    They could care less about football. When it effects GAA and Rugby then you will see a move.


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    #128
    jochenstacker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    cjt156 wrote: »
    I'm usually not in favour of too much state intervention but the Government will have to step in. Set up a national insurance agency and fight spurious claims to the bitter end.

    Any claim should be checked thoroughly and ANY suspect claims contested to the absolute hilt.
    There must be criminal prosecutions for fraudulent claims with serious fines and/or prison terms.
    Insurances should be forced to disclose their income and claims to the last cent.
    Maybe only certified, independent specialist get to certify injuries.
    Instead of cash awards, make treatment available directly.
    The legal profession should have a fire lit under their arse, because costs are stupid and it takes way, way to long to process anything.
    And awards could be slashed by 50% and still be generous by European standards.
    Unless this happens, nothing will change.
    You can expect the various ambulance chasers and Doc Holidays to kick up quite a stink.


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    #129
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Start of August now and still no positive news. The longer it goes on the more fearful I am that a solution won't be found.


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    #130
    drunkmonkey
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    There has to be funding they can access from somewhere that usually takes ages. I'd be hopping off the local TD's....there's one with a bit of clout not to far from them. The state should be funding things like this, but they won't fix the road as the money is gone to the children's hospital up in Dublin, ludicrous.


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    #131
    El Vino
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭El Vino


    Really disappointed for them, was planning a trip this summer with the kids but have booked GAP instead, really hope they can get back up and running soon.


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    #132
    iwillhtfu
    Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    I can't see BPI opening again to be honest which is a shame.

    I think the GAP is picking up the business but the trails up there are getting an absolute hammering. I was up there yesterday evening and some of the berms were more like rock gardens. I see they have done some quality repair work on some of them but others badly need a bit of TLC.

    BTW if anyone is considering Thurs evenings it's a pretty cool chilled affair with burgers and beers available for €10 and uplifts are only €15 6-9pm. I'd imagine they'll be coming to an end soon enough as the evenings close in.


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    #133
    cjt156
    Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭cjt156


    ...I'd imagine they'll be coming to an end soon enough as the evenings close in.

    They run them in the dark, too. Proper lighting a prerequisite.


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    #134
    jayjbe
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭jayjbe


    Another wake up call...
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suite-goodbye-from-aig-as-insurer-pulls-out-of-hotel-sector-6j7qtkcjp


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    #135
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,455 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Get Signing!


    https://www.change.org/p/the-oireachtus-re-open-bike-park-ireland


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    #136
    Good jib!
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭Good jib!


    I've signed, but what actually happens once they get 1000 signatures?


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    #137
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,716 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Signed and shared.


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    #138
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,716 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Good jib! wrote: »
    I've signed, but what actually happens once they get 1000 signatures?

    AFAIK the idea is that with enough signatures you'll get a reaction from the media and then politicians who might act on it. As important to share the petition on your social media as it is to sign it so that it can get a head of steam.


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    #139
    covey123
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭covey123


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Get Signing!


    https://www.change.org/p/the-oireachtus-re-open-bike-park-ireland
    Did you set this up?


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    #140
    DaveyDave
    Registered Users Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Do many tourists do mountain biking here? Can't imagine the government would care about any sort of outdoor activity unless it was a tourist spot like the Cliffs of Moher or something.

    I know people do fly over here to ride trails when they're new and stuff, but probably wouldn't be big numbers.

    It's a shame we even have to this discussion, they're just a couple of mountain bike trails. Can't have anything in this country!


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    #141
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Good jib! wrote: »
    I've signed, but what actually happens once they get 1000 signatures?

    They ask to get it too 1500. After that maybe 2000. Its up to 1006 now


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    #142
    Lemming
    Registered Users Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    DaveyDave wrote: »
    Do many tourists do mountain biking here? Can't imagine the government would care about any sort of outdoor activity unless it was a tourist spot like the Cliffs of Moher or something.

    I know people do fly over here to ride trails when they're new and stuff, but probably wouldn't be big numbers.

    It's a shame we even have to this discussion, they're just a couple of mountain bike trails. Can't have anything in this country!

    I will come home a couple of times a year from the UK and book two or three days - sometimes back to back - riding at the likes of the GAP, bringing my missus with me too. I've had random folk ask me about riding around Dublin/Wicklow region at the cycle show in Birmingham too because they've spotted my GAP hoodie, and one of the main drivers behind Ride Sheffield is well familiar with cycling in Ireland too, so there are people out there bringing in (or contemplating) the tourism yoyos.

    Edit: also signed the petition


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    #143
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,165 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Its bigger than MTB venues folks. Same withdrawal is going to close all the bouncy castle businesses in the republic, all the paintball sites, all the airsoft sites, probably go-karting etc too.

    Colossal fvck up thanks to the legal professions greed.


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    #144
    Lemming
    Registered Users Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    ED E wrote: »
    Colossal fvck up thanks to the legal professions greed.

    It's a bigger issue than pinning it all on the legal profession. It takes joe soap to chance their arm on "entitlements" with none of the responsibility, along with an unhealthy dose of politicians too lazy to try and tackle an increasingly serious issue to the economy. I would pin most of it on the attitude of Joe Soap which is all too quick to look for compensation on a whim. For that to change, the legal mechanisms require changing so it's not seen as a frivolous pay-day adventure to the courts putting on the saddest Saddy-McSad face you can muster.


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    #145
    QueenMTBee
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭QueenMTBee


    Lemming wrote: »
    It's a bigger issue than pinning it all on the legal profession. It takes joe soap to chance their arm on "entitlements" with none of the responsibility....... I would pin most of it on the attitude of Joe Soap which is all too quick to look for compensation on a whim.

    Totally agree with this. I work in the courts system and yes it could do with a good shake up but honestly the things people sue for these days is just mind boggling. What happened to using your brain / cop on and taking personal responsibility for your bloopers? I'm an extremely clumsy person! If I sued every time I tripped on a pavement or slipped on a set of stairs or split hot coffee on myself from a takeout cup, I'd be a bloody billionaire by now. If I fell over in a playground when I was little, my parents would tell me to look where I was going in future - it would never have occurred to them to sue whoever had been nice enough to put the playground there and let us use it.

    Just to clarify - I'm not specifically targeting people on this thread but a lot of people raging about the insurance crisis could probably start by looking a little closer to home.


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    #146
    xxyyzz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    A buddy of mine rear-ended somebody accidentally in a traffic jam 2 years ago, nobody hurt and minimal damage. Last week he was notified that she is claiming for 60k. That is what we are dealing with. It's going straight to the high court. Basically it's a game of chicken between her solicitor and the insurance company, the insurers want to settle out of court for 20k so the claimant is trying to get the max settlement as they know the insurer doesn't want to go to court. My buddy can't even be told on what medical grounds she is making the claim due to the data protection act.

    Solicitors know that there is free money to be had so long as you have the brass neck to stick it out.


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    #147
    bogmanfan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭bogmanfan


    Similar story here - my wife touched another car while in stop-start heavy traffic. Zero damage to either car, not even a tiny scratch. She took pics of both cars. The other guy was super nice. Both continued on their way. 6 months later she finds he's claiming €30k for injuries. And the insurance company settled. This is why we're in this situation.

    I don't remember the exact details, but there was a kid in court a few months back. Got a cut above his eye which left a 1-inch scar, which the judge noted was 100% covered by his eyebrow. He got around €30k.

    Then the girl who decided to try to hang onto a moving LUAS and fell off. She got over €550k.

    Until these ludicrous payouts stop, then I don't really blame insurance companies for pulling out of the country.

    xxyyzz wrote: »
    A buddy of mine rear-ended somebody accidentally in a traffic jam 2 years ago, nobody hurt and minimal damage. Last week he was notified that she is claiming for 60k. That is what we are dealing with. It's going straight to the high court. Basically it's a game of chicken between her solicitor and the insurance company, the insurers want to settle out of court for 20k so the claimant is trying to get the max settlement as they know the insurer doesn't want to go to court. My buddy can't even be told on what medical grounds she is making the claim due to the data protection act.

    Solicitors know that there is free money to be had so long as you have the brass neck to stick it out.


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    #148
    xxyyzz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    bogmanfan wrote: »
    Similar story here - my wife touched another car while in stop-start heavy traffic. Zero damage to either car, not even a tiny scratch. She took pics of both cars. The other guy was super nice. Both continued on their way. 6 months later she finds he's claiming €30k for injuries. And the insurance company settled. This is why we're in this situation.

    I don't remember the exact details, but there was a kid in court a few months back. Got a cut above his eye which left a 1-inch scar, which the judge noted was 100% covered by his eyebrow. He got around €30k.

    Then the girl who decided to try to hang onto a moving LUAS and fell off. She got over €550k.

    Until these ludicrous payouts stop, then I don't really blame insurance companies for pulling out of the country.

    xxyyzz wrote: »
    A buddy of mine rear-ended somebody accidentally in a traffic jam 2 years ago, nobody hurt and minimal damage. Last week he was notified that she is claiming for 60k. That is what we are dealing with. It's going straight to the high court. Basically it's a game of chicken between her solicitor and the insurance company, the insurers want to settle out of court for 20k so the claimant is trying to get the max settlement as they know the insurer doesn't want to go to court. My buddy can't even be told on what medical grounds she is making the claim due to the data protection act.

    Solicitors know that there is free money to be had so long as you have the brass neck to stick it out.
    Yeah and they just need some quack to sign off on the "injury" and it pretty much can't be contested in court.


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    #149
    covey123
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭covey123


    These guy's highlighting this madness

    https://m.facebook.com/Insurance-Reform-209539666285334/

    https://mobile.twitter.com/InsuranceRefIre

    Get liking, sharing etc


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    #150
    QueenMTBee
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭QueenMTBee


    I get that judges and insurance companies are partly to blame but why aren't you putting any blame at the door of the people claiming these exaggerating injuries? They don't have a gun to their head. They aren't all scrotes and scobies, they are "normal" people who see a way to make a quick buck. If people didn't make exaggerated claims and claim for dumb stuff they do then there would be no court case and no massive payout. The Joe Soap chancing their arm for some "free" money are equally at fault here.


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    #151
    QueenMTBee
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭QueenMTBee


    xxyyzz wrote: »
    Solicitors know that there is free money to be had so long as you have the brass neck to stick it out.
    You mean people know that there is free money to be had so long as you have the brass neck to stick it out. The solicitor isn't forcing them to exaggerate their injuries to their doctors and the court.


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