DCM 2019 - Mentored Novices Thread

eabha19

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Some really interesting chat around target times and race strategy already. Here are a couple of great posts on these topics which are well worth a few minutes of your time:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104771538&postcount=3527
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104842786&postcount=3772

Thanks for that. Feel slightly guilty that I may have started the talk about banking minutes. To clarify I was saying that my pbs on long distances to date have been positive splits but I'd have no intention of banking time in the marathon. I'm just not convinced that I would have it in me for a negative split (based on how wrecked my legs are at 16 miles on LSRs) so I'm wondering whether trying to stick to target pace at the start would be a good idea - especially as I'm thinking of following the 4:30 pacers.

skyblue46

eabha19 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Feel slightly guilty that I may have started the talk about banking minutes. To clarify I was saying that my pbs on long distances to date have been positive splits but I'd have no intention of banking time in the marathon. I'm just not convinced that I would have it in me for a negative split (based on how wrecked my legs are at 16 miles on LSRs) so I'm wondering whether trying to stick to target pace at the start would be a good idea - especially as I'm thinking of following the 4:30 pacers.

I'd still say no. I'd be planning to be at least a minute behind target pace at 7 miles. Forget how your legs feel on long runs. You will have the benefit of the taper and fresh legs. After years of success the mentors won't suddenly be suggesting target pace for the first 7 miles.

Fraggle07

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Some really interesting chat around target times and race strategy already. Here are a couple of great posts on these topics which are well worth a few minutes of your time:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104771538&postcount=3527
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104842786&postcount=3772

I'm struggling to get past this post 😲


" Sillymoo you're not allowed to quit! You ran a great race yesterday even though you 1) forgot your race number, 2) were stuck in the traffic from hell, 3) arrived 45mins late to the race, 4) had to find the help desk among the chaos and 5) you saved someone's life at the side of the road! And to top it all off you finished a half marathon..... you're superwoman and you should be felling very proud of yourself today "

py

Doing a negative split at the weekend is what made my race. It was an exceptional feeling being so strong in the latter parts of the race compared to how FD10 went. Will definitely be doing the same for DCM (and future races) as I don't want to suffer due to poor race management.

Mr. Guappa

eabha19 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Feel slightly guilty that I may have started the talk about banking minutes. To clarify I was saying that my pbs on long distances to date have been positive splits but I'd have no intention of banking time in the marathon. I'm just not convinced that I would have it in me for a negative split (based on how wrecked my legs are at 16 miles on LSRs) so I'm wondering whether trying to stick to target pace at the start would be a good idea - especially as I'm thinking of following the 4:30 pacers.

Oh, don't feel guilty at all... we bring up these topics because they do need to be explored. If your target time winds up being 4:25 or so then starting out with the 4:30 pacers is a great strategy. Running a negative split is the best way to run this course - it's easier said than done mind, but at the very least by taking it appropriately handy for the early going you greatly lessen the chances of a spectacular blow-up. I'm mad busy today and tomorrow so will be later in the week before I get back to you with my thoughts on your target

Bananaleaf

skyblue46 wrote: »

I'd still say no. I'd be planning to be at least a minute behind target pace at 7 miles.

Is that a minute per mile behind target pace for the first 7miles?

skyblue46

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Is that a minute per mile behind target pace for the first 7miles?

No it's total time. 1-3 minutes behind....nearer to 3 for those in the 4:30-5:00 hour target time. 20 secs per mile would be ideal. But if congestion means it's a bit slower don't worry. Don't chase lost time early in the day.

Unknownability

Slightly late with last weeks update.

As mentioned previously had a bit of a falling out of love with running so I took three consecutive days off, the longest since the plan started.

I then came back to the plan on Tuesday and did 4 miles 8 miles 4 miles all easy this then led into Saturdays lsr of 18 miles.

This lsr was by far the easiest and took the least out of me, even threw in the last mile which is all uphill at PMP. Average pace was 9'03 mins a mile.

So what is my marathon time?

5k 19'19 (2019)
10k never done one
10 mile 73 mins (2019)
Half 1'35.30 (2019)

Initially I wanted to go sub 3'20 but now I've relaxed that and would be happy with finishing injury free while enjoying it.

I want to use this to see if I actually enjoy the experience, if I do I can then try run them fast.

Most likely will go out with the 3'30 pacers and take it from there.

Bananaleaf

skyblue46 wrote: »

No it's total time. 1-3 minutes behind....nearer to 3 for those in the 4:30-5:00 hour target time. 20 secs per mile would be ideal. But if congestion means it's a bit slower don't worry. Don't chase lost time early in the day.

Oh. I was getting excited about the idea of an extra minute per mile for the first 7. Was thinking "ah this will be even easier than I thought"

Bananaleaf

I am going to do my best to get my 8m easy done tomorrow in one go. I might not have the time required to do it all at once (will need about 1hr 45min to comfortably fit it in) If I don't have the time, which of these two options is best, taking the 20m on Sat into consideration (which I will be doing very early Sat morning)

1. Do 4m on Wed afternoon and 4m on Wed evening
2. Switch Wed and Thurs runs around

Thank you

Huzzah!

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I am going to do my best to get my 8m easy done tomorrow in one go. I might not have the time required to do it all at once (will need about 1hr 45min to comfortably fit it in) If I don't have the time, which of these two options is best, taking the 20m on Sat into consideration (which I will be doing very early Sat morning)

1. Do 4m on Wed afternoon and 4m on Wed evening
2. Switch Wed and Thurs runs around

Thank you

I think try and get as much done in one go as you can and if that means you only get to 7, so be it.

Huzzah!

greentea is just wrong wrote: »

Overall, I think I’m around 20 mins faster than I ever did it in training, so delighted with that. Hard to not feel a little disappointed (although I know I shouldn't) with the time when you see so much fast times coming in and feel like it was hard to even keep the pace going for my time.

DO NOT FEEL DISAPPOINTED. Sorry to shout, now, but you ran a very good race. You paced it perfectly for you and that's really all that matters. You’re training just as hard and running just as far as anyone else, so don't be down when people are faster.

Huzzah!

pd79 wrote: »

Would love some advice on finish time for DCM, had hoped for 5 hours , but think I might bit touch over this. Did half in 2:22 and felt good throughout . Finally went to physio and knee is turning in , so lots of strengthening exercises to do, . Going tending heels in for next two weeks. Very apprehensive about 3/4 marathon especially as there is cut of of 4hr30. But mostly because if it's a disaster it might be disheartening for DCM.

Just take the 3/4 marathon slow. Don't worry about the cut off.

I think a touch over 5 for the big one would be a good shout, maybe 5:10?

DeepBlue

Target DCM times:
A Goal (with all going swimmingly) : 3hr 40min
B Goal : 3hr 50min
C Goal: 3hr 59min


Just waiting for Mr Guappa to get to work......:pac:

skyblue46

I can't wait for ye're predictions table to go up!

kemcloughlin

At the start of this my target for DCM was sub 5 hours. But that’s clearly not realistic now so I have resigned myself to my new target of 5:35:00.

Comic Book Guy

kemcloughlin wrote: »

At the start of this my target for DCM was sub 5 hours. But that’s clearly not realistic now so I have resigned myself to my new target of 5:35:00.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that time so don't be down on yourself.
Picture where ya were this time 12 months ago. You have made unbelievable progress in that time period.

Treviso

skyblue46 wrote: »

I can't wait for ye're predictions table to go up!

I hope the 2018 novices don't mind me posting their prediction table from last year. My take is a lot of people didn't get their predicted time, so it's something that should be taken into consideration by our group. It's why it's being drilled into us that the marathon is a different beast and to respect the distance

Bib No.|Username|Target Time|Actual Time
11799|Mr. Guappa|03:59:59|4:13:21
5524|coogy|03:40:00|03:57:01|
17857|Helenasca|04:40:00|04:46:32|
9724|roosterman71|03:50:00|04:00:31
17251|kittyclaws|04:50:00|04:46:01|
2167|sann|03:40:00|3:37:44|
|Summerflower|04:29:59|
11409|Chippyrun|04:30:00|4:41:21
18515|Themadhouse|04:29:59|4:39:51
14084|Aoifemcc19|04:45:00|4:37:12
19107|MickOB94|04:45:00|05:25:27
|Chabsey|03:15:00|3:15:50|
3608|imknackered|03:28:00|03:21:05|
|tbukela|03:38:00|03:49:53|
|Naked Lepper|04:15:00|04:18:45
9584|yido1882|03:59:00|03:59:33
|cullenswood|03:29:59|03:26:34|
8176|ReeReeG|03:49:30|
|Bucketybuck|03:59:99|03:55:38|
|Pilot1087|04:40:00|
16144|Strawberry Swan|04:30:00|4:45:18
12563|Applegirl26|04:40:00|04:55:17
18033|aloooof|04:25:00|4:26:49
8187|hedgehoggy|03:43:30|3:38:48
14086|Misky|04:45:00|4:37:14
8060|Alorra|03:40:00|03:28:13
11654|Dealerz2.0|04:15:00|04:23:02
10516|Buzwaldo |04:10:00|04:12:13
|AdrianII |03:59:59|03:39:52
|Comic Book Guy |03:26:00|03:53:50
9799|The man in red and black |03:45:00|03:42:19
12133|Rossi7 |03:54:59|4.05.31
7312 |eyrie |03:57:30|03:55:26|
16944|Clibee|04:40:00|04:44:34
|downtheroad|03:30:00|
|Corbally|04:00:00|
19428|blueberrypie |04:40:00|04:36:03
|Hobbyjogger |03:49:59|03:54:23|
|Effibear |04:50:00|
10809|juke|04:50:00|05:01:38
|bluestone |04:25:00|
16260| Corcaigh07 |04:29:59|04:28:24
11521| Julie2tubz |04:25:00|04:30:23|
12008| ryaner777|04:00:00|04:01:56|
17232| gypsylee|05.59.59|05.46.13

py

Anyone else feeling drained this week? Body is not sore, just devoid of any energy and willingness to move quickly.

Sunday Runner

I'm glad you said it py. I'm feeling very tired. Mind you, I did have to get up at 3am to catch a flight! I'm sitting here wondering how on earth I'm going to run this evening again I get home.

I also seem to have developed a problem with my right knee. It can feel fine, then I try to go up or down stairs and it feels like my knee cap is creaking. Physio appointment booked, but he can't see me until end of next week.

Clareview

I think last week was that week for me py!! Lost the bit of interest in getting the runs done, work was busy, body was tired etc etc... real self pity week.. ha!! Ran the Half then on Saturday and took Sunday & Monday off to re-charge somewhat and then thankfully put in a decent session last night!!
Def feel that taking those 2 days for myself to go watch a few matches, meet friends for lunch/dinner (and a sneaky beer or two) etc was the break the mind needed for sure! Really focusing in now for 4.5weeks time!!

DBB

py wrote: »

Anyone else feeling drained this week? Body is not sore, just devoid of any energy and willingness to move quickly.

I've never not had that problem :D:D
But yeah, definitely feeling general fatigue now. Tough to keep the show on the road with the normal life stuff.

frash

Sunday Runner wrote: »

I also seem to have developed a problem with my right knee. It can feel fine, then I try to go up or down stairs and it feels like my knee cap is creaking. Physio appointment booked, but he can't see me until end of next week.

I know medical advice isn't allowed here but that can be from a tight IT band - Google some stretches for that until you get to see the physio at the end of next week.

Sunday Runner

frash wrote: »

I know medical advice isn't allowed here but that can be from a tight IT band - Google some stretches for that until you get to see the physio at the end of next week.

Thanks frash. That's what Dr. G is telling me, or possibly runner's knee. I'll wear a knee sleeve this evening and see if that helps.

DBB

Sunday Runner wrote: »

I also seem to have developed a problem with my right knee. It can feel fine, then I try to go up or down stairs and it feels like my knee cap is creaking. Physio appointment booked, but he can't see me until end of next week.

I was at the physio yesterday with both knees, but mostly my left, just feeling a bit achey, but I didn't want to leave it, only for them to decide to cause issues on marathon day! It's mild tendonitis for me, he thinks a combo of upping the miles with concurrent drop in S&C are probably at the root of it, which I was kinda thinking myself.
I've rehab exercises to do, and I'm going to do a 2-3 shorter, more manageable S&C sessions rather than 1 or 2 longer ones. He reckons between rehab and the taper, the knees will be grand by the big day, and continue to train as per the plan:)

Dealerz2.0

Thanks Treviso......I'm now reliving the Actual Vs Target minutes differential allllll over again!!!!

saffron22

Glad you said it also PY. I'm just so tired in general these past few days. RHR is also gone way up for some reason. Hoping it's just a phase adjusting to the early darkness

Doc76

That prediction chart is great thanks! I’m wondering if any 2018 novices reading this thread would be willing to share their Dublin half marathon times from that year if they finished the marathon in the 4:45-5 hr range or thereabouts? Thanks!

Doc76

py wrote: »

Anyone else feeling drained this week? Body is not sore, just devoid of any energy and willingness to move quickly.

Yes and ravenous! Felt same week after FD 10 miler too

Huzzah!

Doc76 wrote: »

That prediction chart is great thanks! I’m wondering if any 2018 novices reading this thread would be willing to share their Dublin half marathon times from that year if they finished the marathon in the 4:45-5 hr range or thereabouts? Thanks!

I had a half time of 2:08 and a full time of 4:44. Half time dated from April, though.