Where are the conservatives in Ireland?

pablojml

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Timberrrrrrrr

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Thankfully there aren't too many people who think this way these days, thats why the parties who do hold these "values" are miniscual. Go join Genma O'Doherty and her (tiny) crowd of god botherers, you sound like you would fit in perfectly.

matrim

Renua?

Sonny noggs

The lunatics have taken over the asylum, hopefully it won't last. They wisdom of uncontrolled immigration is already being widely questioned and people are getting sick of cis gender and cis privilege guff. I see Fintan The Toole is trolling us again today with more of this sh1te.

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Thankfully there aren't too many people who think this way these days, thats why the parties who do hold these "values" are miniscual. Go join Genma O'Doherty and her (tiny) crowd of god botherers, you sound like you would fit in perfectly.

No room for conservative views in modern Ireland. Mass immigration is great for Europe. Welfare states are great for Europe. The middle class pick up the bill for all. Those with the real power ie big business are conservative to the core. They will continue to get richer while the regular Joe pays through the nose to keep the parasites in cigarette and cider money

Blueshoe

Sonny noggs wrote: »

The lunatics have taken over the asylum, hopefully it won't last. They wisdom of uncontrolled immigration is already being widely questioned and people are getting sick of cis gender and cis privilege guff. I see Fintan The Toole is trolling us again today with more of this sh1te.

The fuse has most definitely been lit.

0byme75341jo28

You are looking for Renua.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

No room for conservative views in modern Ireland. Mass immigration is great for Europe. Welfare states are great for Europe. The middle class pick up the bill for all. Those with the real power ie big business are conservative to the core. They will continue to get richer while the regular Joe pays through the nose to keep the parasites in cigarette and cider money

Conservative views i have no issue with, spewing vile hate fulled rants about "de muslims" and how the gays are trying to brainwash kids with unicorns and rainbows i do have an issue with.

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Conservative views i have no issue with, spewing vile hate fulled rants about "de muslims" and how the gays are trying to brainwash kids with unicorns and rainbows i do have an issue with.

So where do you draw the line with negative views against mass immigration into Europe. Specifically Muslim immigration into Europe?
An opposing opinion is not allowed. Why not?

Inquitus

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Are you promoting Gay conversion therapy here?

hill16bhoy

There's always Gemma O'Doherty for yis

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

So where do you draw the line with negative views against mass immigration into Europe. Specifically Muslim immigration into Europe?
An opposing opinion is not allowed. Why not?

Opposing opinions are posted on this site and others every day! Saying that mass immigration is a bad thing is fine once you debate it clearly and give your reasons why you believe this.

Blaming muslims for EVERYTHING that happens (see the 1st page of Notre Dame fire and many other threads) is a bad thing.

The same as accusing the LGBT community of having some sort of nefarious "agenda" that includes brainwashing kids through the medium of unicorns and rainbows. Spout that shìte and you will rightly be mocked for it.

No on is shutting down discussion, people are just sick of hearing the same lies and vile accusations spouted day in day out.

Irish Praetorian

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

You may have noticed something of a resurgence in conservative thought on all kinds of matters from tax policy to immigration in popular culture over recent years. What you may not have noticed is that a lot of the exponents (occasionally some of the most compelling) of these ideas come from a cohort of the gay population which, no longer being joined at the hip to the broader left in the campaign for marriage equality etc, are now turning towards various forms of conservatism for a protection of their rights and security in their future. You can observe an entire spectrum of gay conservatives from the more 'flamboyant' like Milo Yiannopoulos to the more concise like Andrew Sullivan or Douglas Murray - you might well be hard-pressed to find a better exponent of a more conservative migration policy than the latter as it happens. I've even been surprised to learn that the support of this group for broadly conservative positions appears to stretch even as far as into issues like abortion or transgenderism. So when you turn around and want to start talking about 'traditional conservative values' might I suggest you do some reconfiguration about what those values are - because a lot like liberal values, they tend to change over time, and trying to win over a new generation of voters by talking about 'fixing' gays and abolishing gay marriage, is probably about a likely to win you votes as campaigning to bring back segregation in the US or get Jim Crow laws rolling again.

L1011

Renua

You're going to find that the number of people who hold all of those views in Ireland would probably fit in to a small meeting room.

Guy:Incognito

The cvnts party is the one you're after. Think they meet on Tuesdays in 1969.

stefanovich

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Renua are the only party that fit.

joebloggs32

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

It is like you just read the Renua manifesto.

Kidchameleon

Boards is the wrong place to be asking anyway. Its so far to the left its about to fall off the edge

Guy:Incognito

Blueshoe wrote: »

So where do you draw the line with negative views against mass immigration into Europe. Specifically Muslim immigration into Europe?
An opposing opinion is not allowed. Why not?

If we're allowing 1 stupid religion, we should allow them all (spoiler, theyre all stupid)

joe40

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Come to think of it there is no mainstream party in ireland, enjoying anything approaching popular support that promotes the policies you suggest.
Makes me proud to be Irish actually.

super_furry

There has never been any real appetite in Irish politics for a far-right party the likes of which you describe. Renua are the ones that would most fit those political views but their lack of success speaks for itself.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

That would be the Catholic Chruch.

Seriously, though - there isn't enough support for back-to-basics traditional conservative values for a mainstream party. Most people see them (as in the views) as regressive and somewhat counter productive to freedom of expression, which people value far more these days.

splinter65

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Thankfully there aren't too many people who think this way these days, thats why the parties who do hold these "values" are miniscual. Go join Genma O'Doherty and her (tiny) crowd of god botherers, you sound like you would fit in perfectly.

There are only two genders. Well there’s either 2 or there’s 2 million. Which is it?

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That would be the Catholic Chruch.

Seriously, though - there isn't enough support for back-to-basics traditional conservative values for a mainstream party. Most people see them (as in the views) as regressive and somewhat counter productive to freedom of expression, which people value far more these days.

The Catholic Church.
Islam
Judaism
Any of the fundamental Christian Churches..
Why did you single out Catholics?

super_furry

splinter65 wrote: »

The Catholic Church.
Islam
Judaism
Any of the fundamental Christian Churches..
Why did you single out Catholics?

Well which one of those organisations you mention has a presence in every single village in Ireland? Which organisation controls most of the school our children go to? Which organisation is still wrapped around every part of life in Ireland?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

splinter65 wrote: »

The Catholic Church.
Islam
Judaism
Any of the fundamental Christian Churches..
Why did you single out Catholics?

Fair point.

I mentioned Catholicism simply because they would be the most popular advocate of the values mentioned by the OP and would have the most adherents.

the dark phantom

Irish people including myself are generally not interested in or impressed by very far right or very far left wing political parties, Our main parties are centrist with a dash of left/right politics, Even our main so called nationalist party supports immigration and integration. They may be a lot of daft voters and daft politicians in Ireland but the majority just want a country in which we can work, eat, have shelter and infrastructure and live our lives peacefully and free. Enda Kenny or Leo Varadkar may not be the most inspiring statesmen but i'd rather them anyday then the divisive or corrupt politicians a lot of other countries have.

Tell me how

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Do you have a time machine?

(FAO Mod's: I know the ethos of the forum is to discuss rationally, but, all arguments are not equal in this respect in 2019)

Timberrrrrrrr

splinter65 wrote: »

There are only two genders. Well there’s either 2 or there’s 2 million. Which is it?

Theres only one "god" Well there’s either 2 or there’s 2 million. Which is it?

stefanovich

super_furry wrote: »

There has never been any real appetite in Irish politics for a far-right party the likes of which you describe. Renua are the ones that would most fit those political views but their lack of success speaks for itself.

Controlled immigration is not far right. Far right is Mussolini or Hitler.

super_furry

stefanovich wrote: »

Controlled immigration is not far right. Far right is Mussolini or Hitler.

We have controlled immigration in Ireland.

Tell me how

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boards is the wrong place to be asking anyway. Its so far to the left its about to fall off the edge

Is it?

Have you read the threads about immigration, travellers, social welfare?

They seem to be dominated by conservative opinions.

briany

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boards is the wrong place to be asking anyway. Its so far to the left its about to fall off the edge

I must be on the wrong Boards.ie, then. I was on the one where 3/4s of After Hours denizens were voting for Peter Casey and there's a social welfare bashing thread every week.

stefanovich

super_furry wrote: »

We have controlled immigration in Ireland.

Controlled by who? How good is it?

super_furry

stefanovich wrote: »

Controlled by who? How good is it?

I think this should pretty much cover it for you.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/rights_of_residence_in_ireland/

listermint

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boards is the wrong place to be asking anyway. Its so far to the left its about to fall off the edge

I'd imagine anywhere is the wrong place to be asking. Theres a reason these views aren't wide spread. Its because they are generally held but no offense but 'prxcks'. The same type who have to do somersaults of mental gymnastics in doling out their own supposed Christian views but spitting venomous hate on their fellow man or woman. It's a fascade. The religion, the conservatism, tax payers money Yadda Yadda. It's all a big cover for hate. To dish out whatever little hateful episodes they've had on their lives to others.

They hate to see happier people than them and love to stick their oar in everywhere. Gossiping gob****es.


So yeah. Don't be surprised if those views aren't held in high esteem in group settings . Because they are minority . And no on is stopping you spouting them but expect people to leave the room when you start.

Beechwoodspark

Renua.

The national party.

Possibly smaller ones I am not familiar with ?

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Opposing opinions are posted on this site and others every day! Saying that mass immigration is a bad thing is fine once you debate it clearly and give your reasons why you believe this.

Blaming muslims for EVERYTHING that happens (see the 1st page of Notre Dame fire and many other threads) is a bad thing.

The same as accusing the LGBT community of having some sort of nefarious "agenda" that includes brainwashing kids through the medium of unicorns and rainbows. Spout that shìte and you will rightly be mocked for it.

No on is shutting down discussion, people are just sick of hearing the same lies and vile accusations spouted day in day out.

Ok so.
Ireland is generally a liberal country. We recently voted to allow same sex marriage for example.
Why are we happy to allow Muslims to live here? A religion which is certainly not "liberal" , is against homosexuality , women's rights and has extreme elements which have led to Isis and terrorist attacks around the world.
They do not assimilate to our culture and never will. This is seen all around Europe.

Why are we inviting them here? It goes against our progressive values.
Why is it fair game to have a pop at the Catholic church but not Islam?

super_furry

Aaaaand we're back to whinging about Muslims.

Billcarson

super_furry wrote: »

Aaaaand we're back to whinging about Muslims.

Makes a fair point imo.

stefanovich

super_furry wrote: »

I think this should pretty much cover it for you.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/rights_of_residence_in_ireland/

I'm sorry, that's not giving me the information I require.

I leave North Africa as a 25 year old man. My drug dealing and criminality has caught up with me and it's time to start a new life. Dump my documents and get on a dingy to cross to Europe. 1 mile off shore an NGO boat "rescues" me and transports me safely to Italy. On arrival I give them my details. A fake name and I say I am 17 years old. Now I am classified as a child. Under EU directions I am shipped over to a small village in Ireland.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ok so.
Ireland is generally a liberal country. We recently voted to allow same sex marriage for example.
Why are we happy to allow Muslims to live here? A religion which is certainly not "liberal" , is against homosexuality , women's rights and has extreme elements which have led to Isis and terrorist attacks around the world.
They do not assimilate to our culture and never will. This is seen all around Europe.

Why are we inviting them here? It goes against our progressive values.
Why is it fair game to have a pop at the Catholic church but not Islam?

Because your description of Islam could easily be used to describe Catholicism/Christianity. Do you believe Ireland should only allow christians to live there?

super_furry

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm sorry, that's not giving me the information I require.

I leave North Africa as a 25 year old man. My drug dealing and criminality has caught up with me and it's time to start a new life. Dump my documents and get on a dingy to cross to Europe. 1 mile off shore an NGO boat "rescues" me and transports me safely to Italy. On arrival I give them my details. A fake name and I say I am 17 years old. Now I am classified as a child. Under EU directions I am shipped over to a small village in Ireland.

I wrench my eyes open. Rough grey stone. Grey stone ceiling. My head hurts, and I'm lying on the floor.

I'm staring at the ceiling, and it's rough and grey, and I don't recognize it.

Outside there is an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.

There is a small mailbox here.

A rubber mat saying 'Welcome to Zork!' lies by the door.

Brian?

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

You’re not talking about conservatives. You’re talking about crack pot fringe right wingers.

Conservatism is traditionally an economic position and a belief in small government. There are many conservatives who had zero issue with Immigration, don’t care what people do in their own bedrooms and believe god should be kept out of public life.

stefanovich

Brian? wrote: »

crack pot fringe right wingers. .

This says it all really. Your classification of people who want immigration control betrays your own ideology.

Mr.Nice Guy

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why are we happy to allow Muslims to live here? A religion which is certainly not "liberal" , is against homosexuality , women's rights and has extreme elements which have led to Isis and terrorist attacks around the world.

Sounds a lot like Ireland in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.

Blueshoe wrote:

They do not assimilate to our culture and never will. This is seen all around Europe.

Seeing as Islam is hundreds of years old, they appear to have assimilated just fine. Most of the worst atrocities carried out in Europe in the 20th century were done in the name of socities purporting to be Christian, or in the Soviet Union's case, godless.

Blueshoe wrote:

Why are we inviting them here? It goes against our progressive values.

It's progressive to discriminate on religious grounds? Now we're sounding like Ireland in the 30s.

I think we're inviting people here of all religious persuasions and none because we've learned more than most that sectarian attitudes lead to a sullen and sorry society, and we wish to be better than that.

listermint

stefanovich wrote: »

This says it all really. Your classification of people who want immigration control betrays your own ideology.

No not really. Your hijacking a previously held economic political outlook and trying to dress up right wing ideology as the same thing.

So no.


It's theft of a political position.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

So we started off asking why Ireland is not conservative enough and gone on to slaming Islam for being too conservative.

Very narrow window people are being asked to operate in here.

Moghead

pablojml wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the political parties of Ireland, and would like to ask where or which are the conservative parties in Ireland, not the fake ones, I mean the real conservatives who are for core family values, there are only two genders, a family is a man a woman and children, homosexuality is not a normal lifestyle and can be overcome (not hating it but not promoting it), safe borders, controlled immigration and not massive influx of ilegal immigration, parents are the main educators of children not schools, abortion means killing a baby, rights come from God and not men, not being driven by emotios but by logic, etc etc. Are they extinct? I am finding it really hard to find a political party with such great values. Are there any groups that anyone can join? Regards to all.

Sounds like you are driven by emotion.

Zaph

pablojml wrote: »

rights come from God and not men

Wtf is that even supposed to mean? Are you expecting Moses to wander up Carrauntoohil and come down with a couple of stone tablets telling us how to behave or something? And what about those of us who aren't religious? Tbh, it sounds like Saudi Arabia is more what you're looking for rather than Ireland.

BarryD2

Think it's a bit unfair to attack the OP for seeking a party that represents their views, however much you might dislike them. They likely don't need a party that encompasses all those views but a good selection, trending that way. Ditto for the rest of us, no party suits everybody all the time.

The two main parties could equally house the OP, if they're less bothered about the abortion/ gay issues. They'd find plenty of people to agree with them on several of the other issues they raise.