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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)
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I resemble that description in the first part. And have lesser skills too. Many of them. If you've a half daycent trout holding river or steam near you, colour me feckin there.I could do with someone that's handy with a spanner, for those with lesser skills there will be a few stones to be picked.
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Darth Vader's slow witted brother goes flyfishing.
Only the best people do B and I can guarantee Konrad would most certainly approve.Don't tell Konrad, but I wear the Damasko over the leather glove timing iron ore and charcoal charges when I'm smelting Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Starting research on the pilot watch,firstly trying to figure out the name of it. I believe some did not have names,but does appear mine had going by the faded text on the dial. Found loads of very similar watches. Have posted it on Watchuseek,wondering like the Bell-Matic forum is there a forum that is focused on this particular type of watch?
Have joined this site as it looks very good,still waiting activation. Someone posted a very similar watch
https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?84331-30s-Pilot-watch-identification
Have it in for a service so will have to make do with current pictures.
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The MWR lads are your best bet IP. Great bunch, with some serious knowledge and very welcoming. They even let me post. :eek:
I'd reckon the general concensus would be that it's a particularly 1930's European design of pilot's watch. Ribbon lugs, black radium luminous dial, cathedral hands, large crown for winding wearing gloves(many open cockpits back then) and a rotating bezel and pointer to time flight intervals. One of the very first to have this, if not the very first(I can't think of any before it). Nobody has worked out who came up with the design. IT has been described as a "1928 Luftwaffe design, by Hermann Goering". Pity the luftwaffe didn't even exist then... But regardless of origin it's a design used by nearly every Swiss marque at the time. Longines, Zenith, Omega, Breitling, Doxa, Heuer, Mimo(Gerard Perregaux), Helvetia and a host of others. Rolex are about the only brand I can think of that didn't have one. Or it hasn't been found yet.
Though they seem to be more a mainland and eastern European fashion.
Here's an Omega example from the time.
Note it's worn over the glove and sleeve. The one piece ribbon lugs allowed for the attachment of a longer strap.
Here's top German WW2 ace Adolf Galland wearing one. A good egg and not a raving nazi either, for a nice change.
Likely a Helvetia.
Here's a certain Bruce Springsteen wearing the same design.
Centre seconds so defo a Zenith. And coming full circle like my example of the design.
Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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The MWR lads are your best bet IP. Great bunch, with some serious knowledge and very welcoming. They even let me post. :eek:
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Thank You Wibbs!, owe you(along with everyone on this forum) so much,I'm really grateful for everything
That is really cool information, amazing history,this is going to be a fun one,great excuse to re watch some WW2 related movies/documentaries again and do some wrist checking
Funny how one interest can cross over to another, like the 20 Reichsmark I have in my collection I got from a antique shop in Wicklow, the stories they could tell...
While I mention it, from Prague, two very different times in history
Love the JU 87 in that picture, always believed the sound they made in a dive was due to aerodynamics,couldn't believe it was actually a siren fitted to the landing gear," Jericho Trumpet "
https://youtu.be/DAoaWVrec9Y
Also loved flying the G variant when I played War Thunder, 1 shot kills not so fun when a spitfire pops up behind, as I'm sure it was back then :pac:
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I've an original wooden ammo crate for the shells that fired. There wouldn't be many of them left I'd reckon. There would have been few enough even at the time. IIRC there were only around twenty G types operational at once. Though the cannons really screwed with performance they were deadly in the hands of experts. The design and tactics later heavily influenced the Americans when they came up with their A-10 Thunderbolt. I use it as a coffee table(good for storing wine too). Swords into ploughshares.IrishPlayer wrote: »
Also loved flying the G variant when I played War Thunder, 1 shot kills not so fun when a spitfire pops up behind, as I'm sure it was back then :pac: I've also a Stuka tailwheel(in the pic above) and the compass and altimeter from one that crashed landed in Kent during the Battle of Britain. Always thought they were a very cool aircraft from the time I was a kid. The more you read behind the wartime allied propaganda of them being useless and archaic the more you see they were an incredibly effective weapons platform that had an impact far beyond their numbers(only about 400 operational at one time). Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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The more you read behind the wartime allied propaganda of them being useless and archaic the more you see they were an incredibly effective weapons platform that had an impact far beyond their numbers(only about 400 operational at one time).
If that fool Schicklgruber hadn't decided the Me 262 would be the perfect bomber, we'd all be speaking German now
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I've an original wooden ammo crate for the shells that fired. There wouldn't be many of them left I'd reckon. There would have been few enough even at the time. IIRC there were only around twenty G types operational at once. Though the cannons really screwed with performance they were deadly in the hands of experts. The design and tactics later heavily influenced the Americans when they came up with their A-10 Thunderbolt. I use it as a coffee table(good for storing wine too). Swords into ploughshares. I've also a Stuka tailwheel(in the pic above) and the compass and altimeter from one that crashed landed in Kent during the Battle of Britain. Always thought they were a very cool aircraft from the time I was a kid. The more you read behind the wartime allied propaganda of them being useless and archaic the more you see they were an incredibly effective weapons platform that had an impact far beyond their numbers(only about 400 operational at one time).
Saw in a documentary the pilots were taking Pervitin to help when in a dive,along with German army.Scary stuff:eek:
Also watched this video recently about Hitlers doctor Theodor Morell,in the last footage of Hitler where his arm is shaking,people taught it was Parkinson's disease,now it is believed it could of been drug withdraw due to the lack of supply of drugs and Morell left the Bunker.
https://youtu.be/qGIsjHS1pTY?t=2283
Also another great watch on Reinhard Heydrich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgFBRxQ1S_o
Back to Watches:D ,remembered a great scene in the film Von Ryan's Express,were the Gestapo trades cigarettes for the watch
First time i saw a Bf 108 was in the film,thinking when i first saw it ,"Thats a funny looking Bf 109"
Also Edward Mulhare,born in Cork:), who plays the padre later stars as Devon Miles in Knight Rider :cool:
Also speaking of German aircraft, saw this in Aeronautical Museum Methodius Vlach Mladá Boleslav
Fieseler Fi 156
Same type of plane that was used to fly Benito Mussolini to Berlin after being captured,Otto Skorzeny squeezed in for the ride,plane could barley take off with the 3 of them including the pilot
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James Bond Junior wrote: »I was only looking at Tamiya and Revell models this evening as something to pass time, it's a sign!
Majority of my own collection is diecast 1:72 but I have a nice little collection of Tamiya, Airfix and Revell bits I made some years ago.
I actually have a pile of Aircraft Model magazines that could be a great gateway into modelling if you want them?
At least a 100 of them, no more use to me
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Majority of my own collection is diecast 1:72 but I have a nice little collection of Tamiya, Airfix and Revell bits I made some years ago.
I actually have a pile of Aircraft Model magazines that could be a great gateway into modelling if you want them?
At least a 100 of them, no more use to me
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Last year a good mate of mine(who's won prizes for his models) dropped off a FW190 model Tamiya IIRC. Been a lifetime since I once stuck a placcy kit together. Quite therapeutic. No airbrush sadly so going old fashioned with brushes.
Sitting on a first edition copy of Kurt Tank's autobiography(he who designed it). A good few years back I sought out the early just post war memoirs of pilots from both sides, before they got more edited.
The "Stuka Pilot" one was first printed in Dublin, because no British publisher would touch it. Though it has a foreword by Douglas Bader. Then again he was a right C U Next Tuesday himself... Adolf Galland was the only decent bloke among that lot. Gives a much more nuanced take with it.
And given the forum that's in it...
Funny enough the Stuka tail wheel I have would also fit one of these.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Enjoyed the last few pages, the depth of knowledge here is amazing. I recently watched a
ww2 training film on how to get a Voight F4 to fly. Talk about task loading. The pilot did all the engine management, regulating intake pressures etc. The watch on his wrist was the easy part.
Charles Lindberg appeared out with the first F4 pilots as a civilian developed the techniques to save fuel and therefore increase the reach of the F4. He also flew combat missions and engaged the enemy.
I can see Panzer Schoklade making a comeback, used extensively during blitzkrieg, I believe, I may be wrong.
I'll try to pull an SOTC together tomorrow.
The Brits were the 1st to fly the Corsair from carriers.
The Yanks designed it as a 400mph naval fighter but initially couldn't get carrier clearance for it.
Big wing made it a bit "floaty" on trying to hit the arrestor wire and long stroke undercarriage made it quite bouncy.
That coupled with a long nose, that made the LSO hard to see on approach, meant the US MC were the 1st to fly it and then from land based.
The Brits got hold of some for the FAA, and thanks to some mad test pilots and actual operational experience, got it flying from carriers.
They clipped the wing, originally to fit into smaller UK hanger deck, that cured the float.
Modified the oleo stroke in the landing gear to tame the bounce.
Then completely changed how they flew the landing approach differently, curved in a slight bank with offset rudder to keep the LSO in sight.
Landing method was then copied by the USN.
It's one of my favourite piston aircraft, have about 4 models 0 -
Really great collections posted on here,from a very interesting time in history.
My Great Grandfathers,during the Emergency period
https://www.theirishstory.com/2018/05/21/the-emergency-a-brief-overview/#.XnVLB4j7SUk
http://www.irishmedals.ie/WW2-Emergency-Medals.php
Interesting to learn many planes actually crashed in Ireland
He 111 crashed in Waterford 1941
Cool site that has a map of different crash sites
http://www.ww2irishaviation.com/
http://www.curragh.info/klines.htm
http://www.waterfordmuseum.ie/exhibit/web/DisplayPrintableImage/K0bEWQwIMJtxo/
Also not anything to do with the madness in Germany......
:pac:
Even won against them in football
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/ireland-5-germany-2-when-nazi-salutes-took-over-dalymount-park-1.3678273%3fmode=amp
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Giani Agnelli, was an Italian businessman (Fiat & Juventus) of the late-20th century who was also a style icon of his era famous for wearing his watches over is shirt cuff.
I sometimes do this when in a long-sleeve cycling jersey but it's for practical purposes rather than style.
Anyone like to see this 'style' of watch wearing revived?
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Cyclingtourist wrote: »Giani Agnelli, was an Italian businessman (Fiat & Juventus) of the late-20th century who was also a style icon of his era famous for wearing his watches over is shirt cuff.
I sometimes do this when in a long-sleeve cycling jersey but it's for practical purposes rather than style.
Anyone like to see this 'style' of watch wearing revived?
He also wore hiking boots with his suit
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