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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    He has the computer business in New York. I note there was someone one the live stream paying superchats to highlight their comments asking him does he plan on paying back the 8k in rent he owes when he left New York.


    Youtube income. This might be more than you think. Superchats live streams weekly could easily bring in 1k plus per month on top of the advertising from Google adds.


    Sponsors like zero shite west.


    Other productions which I am sure he still dabbles a little.


    Either way he is a walking childish dickhead. The petty name calling, references to Nikos weight etc. It gives insight into his character. He also basically called the seikos shitters at a few points. Which back my theory last month that he virtue signals to the low end of the market. Mask is well and truest off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    He seems to have hidden the video on youtube. But if you have a link (like the post above) you can see it still.


    I have had some discussions here on the like of Oisin virtue signalling about how he love 200 euro seiko etc..............alow me to demonstrate................


    Have a look at the video above (his defence video) from 1hr 56 on for two minutes. I quote him directly........

    "lets get real, who wants to steal you stupid ass watch, especially someone like me, who has a public image, and have way better watches than most of you watching, why the hell would i steal your god damn seiko and some other lads 50 year old watch"


    So that's his mentality. He dismisses them on value/age. And also it seems he might try and steal an expensive one! Mask on the floor

    Also skip to 2.05 on below video from Tim Write when asked if he is returning watches, quote

    "of course they are, as if i want to hang on to a bunch of **** seiko, Jesus Christ"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX-nz3oEC5w


    I seen through his Seiko virtue signalling a long time ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Thats the problem with being a liar....you have to have a long memory. His pandering to a audience of lower costs watch collectors has always been obvious and condescending, the fact that people lapped it up like cats at a saucer of cream has always had me scratching my head .



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,743 ✭✭✭✭ o1s1n


    The mask really did slip when he started having a go over the Seikos alright - ugly, nasty stuff. Really shows the high opinion he has of himself.. even the '...and I have way better watches than most of you watching', as if anyone actually cares.

    It's interesting how much he goes on about his school days/being bullied as half the time he really does sound as if he's still back there with all the schoolyard level bragging.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    He is Walter Mitty. Fantasy world where he is the hero.

    When you tie it in to the personal jibs about weight etc on Nico. And the personal jibs he was making about the French lass you can see how ugly, and manipulative he is really is.

    Its going to be somewhat fascinating to see how it develops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,659 ✭✭✭ david


    I have to say we’ve been seeing this come for a long while. The comments he made on that French girl made my skin crawl. So what if she’s a sex worker, her choice. No reason to dox her and play the victim after you’ve been a total manipulative prick.

    To me, he’s an interesting lad albeit with narcissistic tendencies and a serious drink problem. Can probably keep it in check sober but goes full nuclear ever time after a few sips. I enjoyed a lot of his videos but the self sabotage we’re seeing now is ugly AF.

    Those live streams were worse than the Samantha Mumba RSA adverts to watch. Spiralling into self destruction and will say anything to be the victim. Next step is coming completely clean and admitting all of his mistakes to get more sympathy. Complete sociopath.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Last paragraph is probably true, will claim mental health issues to garner more sympathy, deflect from his acts or inactions. Always felt his channel was a self promotion platform where he would create his own reality. And you are right everything he is claiming to be the victim of he has done to others in the past, openly and publicly.

    The way he spoke to Nico on the phone was really dark. I have never in my life spoken to anyone like that nor been on the receiving end of such anger. He has it in him when cornered and it certainly colors the stories of domestic abuse by his previous girlfriend.

    To be fair he does fall into the Narcissist category and they are prone to alcoholism, drugs and serious mental health issues. Here is the list, you need to have 5 to be diagnosed. I think our Oisin hits a home run on every one. While its fun to speculate on the drama on here I have to also appreciate that the guy may need help and this shitstorm will be causing him more anguish than it would to others because its removing the adulation from others he so needs.


    Nine Signs and Symptoms of Narcissism

    Symptoms – called core features – of narcissistic personality disorder (narcissism) include:

    1. Grandiosity
      • Exaggerated sense of self-importance
      • Feeling superior to others and that one deserves special treatment
      • Feelings are often accompanied by fantasies of unlimited success, brilliance, power, beauty, or love
    2. Excessive need for admiration
      • Must be the center of attention
      • Often monopolize conversations
      • Patients feel slighted, mistreated, depleted, and enraged when ignored
    3. Superficial and exploitative relationships
      • Relationships are based on surface attributes and not the unique qualities of others
      • People are only valued only to the extent they are viewed as beneficial 
    4. Lack of empathy
      • Severely limited or totally lacking ability to care about the emotional needs or experiences of others, even loved ones
    5. Identity disturbance
      • Sense of self is highly superficial, extremely rigid, and often fragile
      • Self-stability depends on maintaining the view that one is exceptional
      • Grandiose sense of self is easily threatened
      • Patients retreat from or deny realities that challenge grandiosity 
    6. Difficulty with attachment and dependency
      • Relies on feedback from the environment
      • Relationships only exist to shore up positive self-image
      • Interactions are superficial
      • Intimacy is avoided 
    7. Chronic feelings of emptiness and boredom
      • When attention and praise are not available, patients feel empty, bored, depressed, or restless
    8. Vulnerability to life transitions
      • Difficulty maintaining reality-based personal and professional goals over time
      • Compromises required by school, jobs, and relationships may feel unbearable
      • Young adults may have a “failure to launch” 
    9. Narcissistic personality disorder is also a significant risk factor for suicide and suicidal attempts.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Jaysus from watching most of his videos (but only a tiny bit of his streams / collabs), it seems he ticks a lot of those boxes.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    There’s been a few forum posters over the years here that tick most of those boxes as well



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    It’s not just the private jet either , driving around in a Ferrari and travelling the world in 1st class and losing sleep over 10k Some **** business if you can’t manage a 10k unpaid debt.The other lad not being able to get 10k together and wearing 50k on the wrist . They should be embarrassed by themselves .



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    I don’t think it’s the 10k debt. I think it’s more the 10k by Oisin. Watching the lad on YouTube swanning around. Getting new watches while not paying for the last ones. I also doubt Nico was intentionally not buying to wait and see if the watches were appreciating. It was six weeks for **** sake.


    He is going live again. Has called Nico rat so I’m video title so must be doubling down. I might give him a 2 euro superchats later so I call him an asshole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,752 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    Yeah I think you’re right it’s not the amount of money nico is bothered about it’s more the principle

    if someone owes you €500 and they don’t have it it’s no big deal but if they are in the pub 7 nights a week swanning around wearing an ap it’s understandable



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    was nico not saying he was awake during the night because of the money ?id say nico is as much beyond his means as Oisin is .

     I might give him a 2 euro superchats later so I call him an asshole.

    i like that dedication of trolling , you could sign it off with “ from the lads at boards”



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,752 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    funny how oisin has a bloke on who met him on insta and he gave him an explorer on the first meet and told him to pay later and oisin did and then he bought four that month and in total bought 26 watches, hes calling the defence out of the woodwork to back him up



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    I also like how he complimented the guy about his patience when he has banking trouble….the same trouble that meant he couldn’t pay Nico…..I assume the man is paid now….so why ain’t Nico…


    I would said the london fella be hopping now if he wasn’t paid.


    so Nico had Roman sharf on and he said he has done 9 figures in deals with Nico. Oisin had a one man band with an insta page hahahahaha




    it’s fair boring,



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    So nico has been doing 9 figure deals and he’s damaging his own reputation over 10k.? Doesn’t make sense. Both broke as f*ck I’d say



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    I think that’s over the year or some extended time period rather than a single deal. I suspect Nico is new to the watch game and this is the first market softening he has experienced. Hence panicking.


    Paul t confirmed Spenser is paid for the AP……as of today! Despite Oisin saying it was paid two days ago. More lies.

    Oisin also dropped that Spenser owes him money. Which means Oisin had no money and had to chop in watches to clear the debt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    I’ve never been a fan of Paul Thorpe but after watching his video earlier he actually comes across as the only decent one in all this



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    He is a little to sweet to be pure sugar

    An honest guy don’t have to claim all the time to be honest which is what he do be at.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,752 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    I don’t think he’s damaging his reputation, most people buying from him are hardly watching this shite unfold on YouTube



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    Good point . You’re right , it will be yesterday news and most of his future customers probably won’t even know about it .

    Considering he ripped off his shop design and business plan from the lads in Amsterdam , plus folded a business there as well .None of that has stopped him so why would this minor drama have an effect.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    All this lark is most off-putting. Never really got into any of these live streams, dunno why I watched parts of some of them over the last few days. I was far less giving out about Oisin than most, still really appreciate his content, but in what I watched today he was comparing himself to Steve Biko and Nelson Mandela. And having his cronies including that barking imbecile Tim lick his ass in public. Even gave out to Thorpe. For what, like for trying to help out and sort things? And yeah I got that right about the timing, The AP was only just now paid off so Nico - that loud mouthed short ass lad from Holland who I did not support at all in this discussion - was technically right on all those counts. And Thorpe really did try and broker a deal while money was still owed to Spencer. The latter two are the real elderly gentlemen. I can see where Nico was coming from though he could and should have handled it better. Oisin is not coming out of this all that well.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    I don’t like either of them.


    Not sure how anyone could be on Oisins side. The entire case for Oisin is built on he had to wait ages to get paid and values had changed…..but when he got the 42k……he had sold two of the watches else where (so I assume he was happy with the price he got elsewhere) and the third one was not as described, a year old and not “NOS and he was allowed an extra 2 k on this to make up for the value increase.


    Oisin was being petty. A stain of a man who will die alone, maybe still regaling stores on YouTube to other simple men who stroke his ego enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,752 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    i don’t think there is a single watch YouTuber I find a connection with to like them, are they entertaining ? Sometimes. Do we learn anything ? Rarely

    they are all in it for the money and good luck to them, Thorpe claiming to be some kind of elder statesman is a joke, he missed out on the flipper money and it sickens him because he worked hard slapping in dials to vintage gear for years to make his fortune



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,682 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Though the same Thorpe chap is probably glad enough to be out of it and is likely doing the occasional deal anyway. Being in the game for decades before the hype and bubble would have been a lot more work, but minus the BS and more consistent and realistic and selling to actual customers. He'd also have been at the right age to make a fair few quid as things went more mainstream, especially if he'd held onto a couple of "retirement plan" examples. Put it this way in the early 90's a Paul Newman Daytona was around two grand, a Milsub about the same(I seem to recall he had one of these for years), "ordinary" Subs under a grand. If you had a time machine armed with the knowledge of today and ten grand to spend you'd come back a millionaire or close to it.

    Though it's easy to forget how hard it was to actually buy "old" watches when he was doing his thing. Never mind that building knowledge was a struggle. Here in Ireland it was basically general and house auctions and feck all would be coming up. When stuff did it was mostly no name stuff, modern for the time no name digitals, crappy pocketwatches, lots of Rotary, the occasional Omega and Tudor/Rolex. All dress watches. I don't think I ever saw a chronograph. A trip to London was a real eye opener, but I had no clue what I was looking at, though dealers were helpful. So to be fair to Paul Thorpe he would have put the leg work in. Today, six months of evenings on Google and you'd have your reference numbers and attendant BS down pat.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Watch youtube pays so poorly and so irregularly that I feel anyone that needs the income cannot afford the hobby in the first place. The credit bubble burst when the first hints of the Credit default swaps going south was happening, I feel we are seeing the first casualties of the watch game going down.

    This doxing bullshit is pissing me off. Oisin doxed the french girl in the worst possible way, publishing her name and that she was a sex worker. Any doxing he gets in return is fair play. Nico is a hot head, but he is the injured party. He wears his personality publically, that he went atomic and has a huge platform should not come as supprise to anyone....deal with him, deal with his personality/persona.

    There are a few youtubers that keep it straight and professional. Bark and Jack, Federico, Christian, watch box, Roman, Eric and a few others.....problem is the easy money that watches were has attracted all sorts of easy money sorts. There is no easy money, it all comes at a price.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,682 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Before covid hit I reckoned we'd hit peak watch, but covid gave it a boost and extended it, but it's been following all the bullet points of an asset bubble for years, especially the last three or four. When I saw comments in Hodink editorials of guys taking out loans to get on board that was one of the final bullet points. That and more flippers than a pinball emporium. Now it's coming out that a large chunk of this market are dealers/flippers selling to other dealers/flippers. Nico has mentioned this and in one vid of his where he's selling to an actual customer it was a "basic" Sub rather than the ohmigoditswortheleventymilliondollars watches*. The latter seem to be nearly all bouncing around in the trade gathering "value". Until the day they don't. Another one to watch are auction house sales and softening or no sales there. That was a canary in the coalmine for the vintage end of things.

    If you own or are dealing in the "basic" stuff the values will soften, but it'll likely return to the mean of say ten years ago. Not an issue to the average actual hobbyist. If you own or are dealing in the ohmigoditswortheleventymilliondollars stuff, I'd be trying to offload like a maniac now. That's where shirts will be lost.



    *I noticed in one of his recent vids where he bought watches they were datejusts a Tudor chrono, a vintage Longines and a vintage Omega quartz. Bread and butter stuff. That's being sensible, if sense is the right word in that game.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭ scwazrh


    A non Oisin / nico question .

    weirs are advertising a Patek exhibition for next weekend , I think a few from here put their names on a list during the last exhibition , maybe @Cyrus or @Fitz II Has anyone been able to purchase a watch since the exhibition ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,370 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    Haven’t heard a thing since and I have emailed the manager a few times , I think they like getting expressions of interest but doesn’t help them get the watches any quicker …



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