Kia e-Soul

AMKC

https://www.kia.com/ie/new-cars/e-soul/discover/

https://www.drivingelectric.com/kia/soul

Am surprised there is no thread on the e-Soul yet. I have always had a soft spot for the Soul and think both the MKI an MKII still look great. Just a pity it was never offered as a petrol and I might have had one.
Think this is the right way for Kia to take it and that its a good move.

irishgrover

I was thinking the exact same myself. Am very much looking forward to the arrival of the new incarnation

Round Cable

The website shows the base spec 64kWh model at €32k. If this isn't a mistake and they can sell it at this price and supply in volume, it wouldn't do much for Leaf, Ioniq, or eGolf sales.

eagerv

Looks an interesting car. The two specs mentioned with the bigger battery are K2 and K3 at €31994 and €37495. Difficult to compare specs, both look well equipped incl LED lights, Adaptive cruise etc. K3 also has full leather, electric seats. Hard to see what else?

Mike9832

Round Cable wrote: »

The website shows the base spec 64kWh model at €32k. If this isn't a mistake and they can sell it at this price and supply in volume, it wouldn't do much for Leaf, Ioniq, or eGolf sales.

Looks a mistake, pity as needs to be 5k off when it looks like that

32k for 39kWh

37k for 64kWh

gizmo555

Round Cable wrote: »

The website shows the base spec 64kWh model at €32k. If this isn't a mistake and they can sell it at this price and supply in volume, it wouldn't do much for Leaf, Ioniq, or eGolf sales.

Well, it's pricing the lower range model at €300 more than the long range one. Must be some mistake there.

Pkiernan

Looks like a great car.
Very quick too.

Shefwedfan

gizmo555 wrote: »

Well, it's pricing the lower range model at €300 more than the long range one. Must be some mistake there.

The pricing tool has 2 prices for the higher range, I would take the one 300 more expensive is an error

Shefwedfan

Kona and Soul similar price, I can make a stab which one will sell better

Silent Running

gizmo555 wrote: »

Well, it's pricing the lower range model at €300 more than the long range one. Must be some mistake there.

The Kia configurator is all over the place. It doesn't work for the E-Niro either.

Shefwedfan

Silent Running wrote: »

The Kia configurator is all over the place. It doesn't work for the E-Niro either.

If you mess around with it and spend a bit of time you will get a good stab at price.....

Common sense will tell you the larger battery is not going to be 300 quid more expensive

eagerv

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Kona and Soul similar price, I can make a stab which one will sell better

I suppose a lot will depend on what is available and what sort of trade in you will get. The Soul looks better equipped (But hard to tell as yet) than the Kona or Nero but it's looks may not be everyone's taste.

Shefwedfan

eagerv wrote: »

I suppose a lot will depend on what is available and what sort of trade in you will get. The Soul looks better equipped (But hard to tell as yet) than the Kona or Nero but it's looks may not be everyone's taste.

You are lucky to get a set of wheel on the kona(over exaggeration of the day)

McGiver

Looks really good, let's see what the pricing, specs for Ireland and trade in policy will be. For me it's this one or VW ID.

Don't like that battery warranty doesn't guarantee SOH and the boot is small.

unkel

McGiver wrote: »

Don't like that battery warranty doesn't guarantee SOH and the boot is small.

Any link? That doesn't make sense. Buyer: the SOH is down to 10%, my range is just 30km. Kia: tough. It's still working, innit?

mouthful

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Kona and Soul similar price, I can make a stab which one will sell better

While in my view the Kona is a better looking car (although I am only going on photos and you tube) the Soul has much better spec, adaptive cruise control, blind spot detect, it's own app (Jan 2020). I would opt to have soul, however if the niro had lumber support i would prefer that even with the lesser specs.

McGiver

unkel wrote: »

Any link? That doesn't make sense. Buyer: the SOH is down to 10%, my range is just 30km. Kia: tough. It's still working, innit?

Sure, there you go. Battery Warranty section.

https://www.drivingelectric.com/kia/soul/1019/kia-soul-ev-range-battery-charging

unkel

Thanks for the response, but that's no more than hearsay from a third party website (that provides no evidence to back up their claim)

Anyway, the Irish consumer is fairly well protected under the Sale of Goods act (1980) which goes way beyond what most warranties offer

McGiver

unkel wrote:

Anyway, the Irish consumer is fairly well protected under the Sale of Goods act (1980) which goes way beyond what most warranties offer

It's a third party but one that understands the EV market so one would assume they made their research and this information is correct. In their other reviews they always mention the battery warranty with respect to the battery capacity.

EV battery capacity is surely covered in 1980 law

mouthful

I see Kia have removed the car and specs from the website- wonder why?

Shefwedfan

mouthful wrote: »

I see Kia have removed the car and specs from the website- wonder why?

The dealer was not very happy that the pricing was on the website for the eNiro. They said they had no confirmed pricing for delivery or metallic paint etc....he said they where getting onto Kia because the customer had more information than the dealer


I guess they pulled rank and told them to remove. I was supposed to get a price on the eNiro but it has never arrived.....

September1

Maybe there is enough demand in UK market, so they could easily sell this year production without having to deal with small Irish market.

eagerv

mouthful wrote: »

I see Kia have removed the car and specs from the website- wonder why?

Perhaps they made a bit of a booboo with the spec and pricing, undercutting the Kona.


Probably wait now till Model 3 and VW come out with an indication of prices..

unkel

McGiver wrote: »

EV battery capacity is surely covered in 1980 law

You obviously don't know then how the act is interpreted in the courts

McGiver

unkel wrote: »

You obviously don't know then how the act is interpreted in the courts

I do admit that I don't, but would I go and sue Kia that my Kia Soul EV battery SOH dropped to 69% and hence warranty should apply? Most likely not.

AMKC

So the e-Soul is going to be priced from just under 36k and then the next spec from 39k.

It was in yesterdays indopendent motors section.

The-Niro prices were also there but the reviewer said the e-Soul was the much nicer place to be with a nicer cabin instead of a dull black one.

They are both due to go on sale in a month or two.

Silent Running

AMKC wrote: »

So the e-Soul is going to be priced from just under 36k and then the next spec from 39k.

It was in yesterdays indopendent motors section.

The-Niro prices were also there but the reviewer said the e-Soul was the much nicer place to be with a nicer cabin instead of a dull black one.

They are both due to go on sale in a month or two.

I drove the two cars one after the other and the Soul is a much nicer cabin. If it wasn't so quirky on the outside, I would have bought one instead of the Niro.

Old diesel

AMKC wrote: »

So the e-Soul is going to be priced from just under 36k and then the next spec from 39k.

It was in yesterdays indopendent motors section.

The-Niro prices were also there but the reviewer said the e-Soul was the much nicer place to be with a nicer cabin instead of a dull black one.

They are both due to go on sale in a month or two.

Is 36 k just for 39 kwh?????.

I actually much prefer the look of the Soul - the Niro looks a bit generic crossover.

The Niro boot is a better design then Soul though.

Bjorn Neyland has an eSoul on test for 7 days and he posted pictures on facebook including boot.

Depth was the biggest issue on eSoul boot in the pic Bjorn had.

Unless there is a false floor

AMKC

Old diesel wrote: »

Is 36 k just for 39 kwh?????.

I actually much prefer the look of the Soul - the Niro looks a bit generic crossover.

The Niro boot is a better design then Soul though.

Bjorn Neyland has an eSoul on test for 7 days and he posted pictures on facebook including boot.

Depth was the biggest issue on eSoul boot in the pic Bjorn had.

Unless there is a false floor

Is 36 k just for 39 kwh?

65 KW actually.


Here is the article,

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/special-day-highlighted-huge-appetite-for-evs-as-kias-new-eniro-and-esoul-mostly-stole-the-show-38157927.html

Old diesel

AMKC wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

Is 36 k just for 39 kwh?????.

I actually much prefer the look of the Soul - the Niro looks a bit generic crossover.

The Niro boot is a better design then Soul though.

Bjorn Neyland has an eSoul on test for 7 days and he posted pictures on facebook including boot.

Depth was the biggest issue on eSoul boot in the pic Bjorn had.

Unless there is a false floor

Is 36 k just for 39 kwh?

65 KW actually.


Here is the article,

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/special-day-highlighted-huge-appetite-for-evs-as-kias-new-eniro-and-esoul-mostly-stole-the-show-38157927.html

Thank you - I thought the Soul might come with two battery options.

Didn't realise it was only coming with the larger battery

JohnC.

Old diesel wrote: »

Thank you - I thought the Soul might come with two battery options.

Didn't realise it was only coming with the larger battery

It has 64 or 39.2, according to the Kia website.

From €31,995

Old diesel

JohnC. wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

Thank you - I thought the Soul might come with two battery options.

Didn't realise it was only coming with the larger battery

It has 64 or 39.2, according to the Kia website.

From €31,995

The Kia website has been a bit of a mess with info coming and going and Kias handling so far of getting information to the buyers has been a shambles frankly.

I suspect reading between the lines that the 39 kwh is a model available on paper but most of the cars will be 64 kwh.

So the people Eddie Cunningham were talking to are talking of 64 kwh as they don't want to push a 32 k euros version they can't get.

So are telling Eddie and others (someone on Niro thread was told similar) that the 64 kwh is coming with no mention of 32 k euros 39 kwh.

The dealer can always opt to tell customers about a 39 kwh if there is one literally in stock at some point.

What's far more awkward is telling customers they can get a 32 k Soul with 39 kwh and then having to say later "actually we cant get you one of those".

Nissan rightly get slated for no active cooling and no CCS - but I have to say that at least you can actually walk into a Nissan dealer and buy a Leaf like normal without some of the nonsense you have to indulge with with the Koreans when it comes to buying an EV.

General feeling I get is that Kia and Hyundai are geared up to sell Sportage and Tucsons by the lorry load.

EVs are a bit niche for them.

McGiver

The website is still a mess.
K2 shows as 35,995 and K3 37,495. That just can't be right.
And the configurator doesn't work for me.

slicedpanman

McGiver wrote: »

The website is still a mess.
K2 shows as 35,995 and K3 37,495. That just can't be right.
And the configurator doesn't work for me.

Agree on the site... Configurator doesn't work for any model on Windows, Linux or Android.
On the prices; were you expecting lower? Or higher?

Old diesel

Well Kia Liffey Valley have the K3 64 kwh as a 192 up for 37,895 on the Cars Ireland site.

McGiver

Old diesel wrote:

Well Kia Liffey Valley have the K3 64 kwh as a 192 up for 37,895 on the Cars Ireland site.

Yet the website says 192 is sold out, orders open for 2020. Messy.

McGiver

slicedpanman wrote:

Agree on the site... Configurator doesn't work for any model on Windows, Linux or Android. On the prices; were you expecting lower? Or higher?

Definitely lower, and also much bigger difference between K2 and K3, with the only 1500 difference K2 makes zetor sense. Also the price is the same as Niro and Kona.

Are both K2 and K3 64 kW, just different trims? My understanding was that K2 was the smaller battery option.

McGiver

slicedpanman wrote:

Agree on the site... Configurator doesn't work for any model on Windows, Linux or Android. On the prices; were you expecting lower? Or higher?

Lower, abs tÄ› difference between k2 and k3 is too low, k2 makes zero sense. Is the k2 the smaller battery version or just lower trim of the the larger battery option?

bluesteely

K2 and K3 are both equipped with the long range battery, so €35,995 and €37,495 for those, while the €31,995 refers to the mid range battery option for the K2.

I'm told that the prices include the grant and VRT rebate.

Seems to be a caching issue with the website with regards to the price and configurator.

The "192 sold out" just means that because of the shortage of batteries that Hyundai/Kia Motor Group are experiencing, there are only a limited number available and all have been allocated to dealers. So a dealer will more than likely have one registered to allow people to test drive, but the bulk of Kia's EV sales will be for Jan 2020.

slicedpanman

Kia configurator seems to be back for the soul. Still no documents available in the download section for the soul

slicedpanman

Interesting... The soul docs appear if you go through the niro config and the niro docs appear if you go through the soul config
Either way both result in a "network fail" message when you try download

Also interesting to see that the k3 soul and niro 64kWh are exactly the same price

Silent Running

slicedpanman wrote: »

Interesting... The soul docs appear if you go through the niro config and the niro docs appear if you go through the soul config
Either way both result in a "network fail" message when you try download

Also interesting to see that the k3 soul and niro 64kWh are exactly the same price

...But the Soul has a better spec. HUD, front parking sensors, blind spot assist, better infotainment, maybe heated rear seats too... not sure on that one.

Shefwedfan

Silent Running wrote: »

...But the Soul has a better spec. HUD, front parking sensors, blind spot assist, better infotainment, maybe heated rear seats too... not sure on that one.

But is a car designed when you 70 pushing 80 year old :P:P:P:P

Silent Running

Shefwedfan wrote: »

But is a car designed when you 70 pushing 80 year old :P:P:P:P

Ah now, to be fair. Hairdressers would probably like them.

slicedpanman

Am I putting myself, middle aged techie, in the same demographic as hairdresser pensioners? :P
Probably

0lddog

Shefwedfan wrote: »

But is a car designed when you 70 pushing 80 year old :P:P:P:P

So ? :rolleyes:

Shefwedfan

0lddog wrote: »

So ? :rolleyes:

might have given it away.....it was a joke

Johnboy1951

slicedpanman wrote: »

Am I putting myself, middle aged techie, in the same demographic as hairdresser pensioners? :P
Probably

or maybe techie pensioner

McGiver

Silent Running wrote:

...But the Soul has a better spec. HUD, front parking sensors, blind spot assist, better infotainment, maybe heated rear seats too... not sure on that one.

Yes but I expected it to be cheaper anyway. 38k is disappointing.

Silent Running

I've got a whisper of a e-Soul available for immediate delivery. Red with black roof.

PM if you would like to know where.

AMKC

There is a nice review of this car in the latest issue of What Car.