Woman shot & killed in Derry being treated as a terrorist incident MOD WARNING IN OP

Sean.3516

simongurnick wrote: »

Maybe they could have worn white t shirts with "provo" written across the front?

Yeah. That would have been fine.

ilkhanid

NIMAN wrote: »

The problem is, the people who support the New IRA or whatever they want to call themselves, will get over this and continue supporting them, hiding them, assisting them.

The thing is that (same as in similar cases all across the world) many of these people are totally impervious to the logic we use. They have a mindset that rationalizes all problems and inconsistencies away. This was an "accident", so they're not to blame. It's always somebody elese's fault. The concept of responsibility of one's own actions doesn't exist for them. Evade. Evade. Evade.

janfebmar

ilkhanid wrote: »

The thing is that (same as in similar cases all across the world) many of these people are totally impervious to the logic we use. They have a mindset that rationalizes all problems and inconsistencies away. This was an "accident", so they're not to blame. It's always somebody elese's fault. The concept of responsibility of one's own actions doesn't exist for them. Evade. Evade. Evade.

Same as Sinn Fein / IRA back in the day. No difference. They both believed they were correct to be terrorists.

citytillidie

John2136 wrote: »

Guerrilla armies don't wear uniforms, although the IRA did wear uniforms in some occasions mainly in the countryside but for urban warfare like in Belfast or Derry wearing a uniform would be just plain stupidity.

It's not like two armies of similar strength fighting one another, one side is severely out matched.

The only ones who wore uniforms were the RUC and Army, IRA and INLA main targets were those, while UDA, UVF and UFF main targets were the catholic community

Farawayhome

RIP Lyra. Such a needless and sad death.

Can anyone confirm the presence of the British Army? What were they doing there? Everyone knows their horrific history in Ireland and especially in Derry.

JP Liz V1

Deleted User wrote: »

What IS disgraceful is the number of politicians falling over themselves to attend.

Did most of the government attend, Leo of course needed more camera media attention as usual :rolleyes:

RIP Lyra McKee

BBFAN

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Did most of the government attend, Leo of course needed more camera media attention as usual :rolleyes:

RIP Lyra McKee

Oh get a grip, they would have been criticised if they didn't attend so either way, lose lose for everyone.

JP Liz V1

BBFAN wrote: »

Oh get a grip, they would have been criticised if they didn't attend so either way, lose lose for everyone.

Did so many have to attend?

BBFAN

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Did so many have to attend?

Why not?? What exactly is the problem?

lawred2

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Same perpetual moaners would be on here taking pops had the same politicians not been in attendance.

feargale

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Did so many have to attend?

Did you serve in World War I? When you lose ground abandon the trench and dig another trench a short distance back.

feargale

Farawayhome wrote: »

RIP Lyra. Such a needless and sad death.

Can anyone confirm the presence of the British Army? What were they doing there? Everyone knows their horrific history in Ireland and especially in Derry.

That point of view is perfectly consistent for apologists for the murder of Lyra McKee. Did her relatives object to the presence of anyone? Given the appetite of the "real" thugs for murder, don't you think that the presence of some armed people was desirable?

Faugheen

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Did so many have to attend?

To show that Ireland, the U.K. and Northern Ireland won't stand for this?

Why wouldn't they? She was killed by people trying to bring the gun back to politics, and they were making it clear that they weren't.

People will say 'oh they used a woman's death to get attention' or whatever, but I see loads of people using the woman's death to have a pop at the fact they're showing solidarity with her, her family and the people of Northern Ireland.

Why is that such a bad thing?

It also gave the public a chance to show Mary-Lou/Arlene that something needs to happen, through the words of the priest.

Farawayhome

feargale wrote: »

That point of view is perfectly consistent for apologists for the murder of Lyra McKee. Did her relatives object to the presence of anyone? Given the appetite of the "real" thugs for murder, don't you think that the presence of some armed people was desirable?

Saying it was such a needless and sad death is consistent with apologists for the murder of Lyra?

Having two murderous gangs on the street rather than one isn't a good thing.

Amirani

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Did so many have to attend?

Which ones shouldn't have attended? What difference would it make to anything?

Faugheen

Farawayhome wrote: »

RIP Lyra. Such a needless and sad death.

Can anyone confirm the presence of the British Army? What were they doing there? Everyone knows their horrific history in Ireland and especially in Derry.

Did the British Army do anything yesterday?

If not, what difference does it make? Did Lyra's family object to them being there?

What the British Army did 30 years ago is no relevance to yesterday. And the funeral was in Belfast, not Derry.

Farawayhome

Farawayhome wrote: »

Saying it was such a needless and sad death is consistent with apologists for the murder of Lyra?

Having two murderous gangs on the street rather than one isn't a good thing.

What 2 gangs?

Sephiroth_dude

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Farawayhome I've deleted your post and anyone post quoting you, unless you have evidence to support your claim please don't post speculation.

Thanks.

Farawayhome

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Mod

Farawayhome unless you have evidence to support your claim please don't post speculation.

Thanks.

Ok, sorry.

Billy86

Fair play to this journalist even if she butchered the pronunciation - balls of steel right there!

https://twitter.com/emmavardytv/status/1124082380602519558?s=21

janfebmar

Difficult position the police find themselves in. If the PSNI had shot the gunman who murdered Lyra, the cry would be: "shoot to kill".

Have a look who the people in the area voted for. Should put the "small minority" hand-wringing to bed.

Atoms for Peace

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have a look who the people in the area voted for. Should put the "small minority" hand-wringing to bed.

Out of interest , who did they vite for?

FrancieBrady

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Out of interest , who did they vite for?

Gary Donnelly - topped the poll(1374) and got more than 300 first preference votes than PBP's Eamonn McCann.

citytillidie

1 councillor out of 40 and to be honest the councils don’t do much

janfebmar

All the same, it just show the power of propoganda and brainwashing. The fact 1374 people people voted for Gary Donnelly, former Real IRA prisoner, not too long after the journalist is shot dead is frightening.

citytillidie

janfebmar wrote: »

All the same, it just show the power of propoganda and brainwashing. The fact 1374 people people voted for Gary Donnelly, former Real IRA prisoner, not too long after the journalist is shot dead is frightening.

Or to put it into context, 17% of that ward

citytillidie

citytillidie wrote: »

Or to put it into context, 17% of that ward

True. Though I have to admit, it is more than I would have expected. It will also undoubtedly give rise to more political point scoring, and "them'uns are all the same" attitudes - unfortunately.



Worrying times.

janfebmar

citytillidie wrote: »

Or to put it into context, 17% of that ward

Those poor people were brought up and taught that the IRA was right, that it was right to attack "crown forces", that the "black prods" were the ones who were wrong etc. Even Mary Lou at the end of her Ard Fheis sneeringly shouted "UP THE REBELS". There is no difference between what the PIRA did and what the new IRA did. Remember the constant whining about the famine and the brave patriots of 1916 and about how Ireland unfree will never be at rest etc. Not a whole class is going to sign up, but all it takes is one or two now and again to be successfully indoctrinated to swell the ranks.

citytillidie

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Though I have to admit, it is more than I would have expected. It will also undoubtedly give rise to more political point scoring, and "them'uns are all the same" attitudes - unfortunately.



Worrying times.

Hopefully it’s just a dying breed and that ward is the bog side and creggan somto see a SDLP member and Eamon McCann also winning there it is not as bad as people think.