2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

Dirkziggler

Only joining the discussion huge change needed in the Mayo set up. The arguments against the control from a certain club over the years is starting to hold weight some lads there could no doubt be replaced but I feel they are there due to their club connections.

nice_guy80

Powerhouse wrote: »

Not point is discussing that - it's not measurable. You can claim anything you like and it can't be proven, disproven, or even plausibly argued. There are so many variables in the mindsets of 27 or 28 players on a panel that such nebulous nonsense as "hatred" is inadmissible. One guy might hate everyone on the basis of some perceived slight but what some lad said about an acre of land back in the 1940s, but chances are he'll be surrounded by many perfectly well-adjusted guys many of whom will have shared digs with/socialised with their opponents in college.

You don't understand local rivalries so. They are intrinsic to the GAA. Ros v Mayo is a rivalry passed down through generations.
And there are practically no rivalries in Leinster

Dirkziggler

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Only joining the discussion huge change needed in the Mayo set up. The arguments against the control from a certain club over the years is starting to hold weight some lads there could no doubt be replaced but I feel they are there due to their club connections.

I would say that Aiden O'Shea was excellent last night. Almost won it for Mayo despite some of the shocking forwards/goalie around him.

nice_guy80

Powerhouse wrote: »

They did indeed. And in the same competition Monaghan beat Dublin, and Tipperary beat Donegal. And Roscommon were relegated and Mayo won the competition. A very reliable form-guide indeed which Brady should not have ignored.

The Roscommon manager was only appointed in November. Roscommon started the league well then fell off. In fact the push v Tyrone relegated them.
The break since the league was the first 7 week period the manager had to work with players without having a league game at the weekend.

Dirkziggler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would say that Aiden O'Shea was excellent last night. Almost won it for Mayo despite some of the shocking forwards/goalie around him.

Was he the only man on panel from Breaffy last night?

Dirkziggler

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Was he the only man on panel from Breaffy last night?

Who your talking about is obvious to everybody. Might be time to try a new goalie if we get a good draw in the qualifiers. Certainly new forwards need to be brought in if we get an easy draw, some of them were gutless last night.

gormdubhgorm

Deleted User wrote: »

Who your talking about is obvious to everybody. Might be time to try a new goalie if we get a good draw in the qualifiers. Certainly new forwards need to be brought in if we get an easy draw, some of them were gutless last night.

As a neutral I used to feel sorry for the Mayo team.
But as they kept throwing away chances I started feeling less and less sorry for them.
It is the Mayo fans I feel sorry for.
I would really be questioning what the Mayo management does in training at this stage.
Do they have shooting drills for the forwards?
Are the players drilled to constantly close down thier men/space?
Are the players thought to play in a set structure?

Plus when you think of it Mayo were relying on a 36 year old to stay on the pitch so he could take a free. When he was not there it was panic stations.

It reminded me of the time Paddy Christie ended up on 45's against Westmeath back in the Tommy Lyons days.

Powerhouse

nice_guy80 wrote: »

You don't understand local rivalries so. They are intrinsic to the GAA. Ros v Mayo is a rivalry passed down through generations.
And there are practically no rivalries in Leinster

I don't doubt that such rivalries exist but I question their relevance. What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2009 when Mayo beat them by 20 points? What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2013 when Mayo beat them by 12 points? What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2017 when Mayo beat them by 21 points?

These things are fine and can be retro-fitted to a result as required to add pleasure but in advance of it provide empty energy if any at all, and have long since been superseded by strange modernities like strategy and preparation. Hence the savage beatings Roscommon have endured from Mayo most of the time in the last decade. Presumably they were equally p*ssed off about Ballaghadereen during all that time.

Dirkziggler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who your talking about is obvious to everybody. Might be time to try a new goalie if we get a good draw in the qualifiers. Certainly new forwards need to be brought in if we get an easy draw, some of them were gutless last night.

I just feel they need to start spanning their scouts far and wide in a county that has plenty to offer.

They should of achieved so much more over the years which is a Shame

Powerhouse

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Only joining the discussion huge change needed in the Mayo set up. The arguments against the control from a certain club over the years is starting to hold weight some lads there could no doubt be replaced but I feel they are there due to their club connections.

Any chance you could explain this reference? That's an information request by the way and not an I-dare-you-to-say-it thing.

Dirkziggler

Powerhouse wrote: »

Any chance you could explain this reference? That's an information request by the way and not an I-dare-you-to-say-it thing.

Breaffy Mafia?

gormdubhgorm

Powerhouse wrote: »

I don't doubt that such rivalries exist but I question their relevance. What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2009 when Mayo beat them by 20 points? What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2013 when Mayo beat them by 12 points? What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2017 when Mayo beat them by 21 points?

These things are fine and can be retro-fitted to a result as required to add pleasure but in advance of it provide empty energy if any at all, and have long since been superseded by strange modernities like strategy and preparation. Hence the savage beatings Roscommon have endured from Mayo most of the time in the last decade. Presumably they were equally p*ssed off about Ballaghadereen during all that time.

This is a very good point, when a team wins that have not for a while suddenly it is turned into 'they wanted it more' - 'they were hungier'. Dongahy the 'expert' analyst was emphasising these cliches on Sky Sports.

It was almost as if all discussions of tactics, management on the sideline, use of a spare man, lack of a freetaker, all became irrelevant because of this 'hunger'.

Also, the commentator actually mentioned that a lot of Roscommon supporters stayed away because they were afraid they would be hammered again. This was despite thier 'hunger' for victory I suppose?

rossie1977

Donaghy has a point. Without hunger and desire you won't win much. Roscommon have had some supremely talented players over past 15 years but often as a group they let their heads drop when things went wrong and completely collapsed.

3-4 years ago Mayo would have sailed home by 5-6 points once they took the lead in 24th minute of second half..last night Roscommon hassled and harried and drove forward after going behind (despite being down to 14). That block by Niall Daly near the end summed up the determination to win.

gormdubhgorm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Donaghy has a point. Without hunger and desire you won't win much. Roscommon have had some supremely talented players over past 15 years but often as a group they let their heads drop when things went wrong and completely collapsed.

3-4 years ago Mayo would have sailed home by 5-6 points once they took the lead in 24th minute of second half..last night Roscommon hassled and harried and drove forward after going behind (despite being down to 14). That block by Niall Daly near the end summed up the determination to win.

I can see your point to an extent.
But you could have 'hunger and desire' and still lose.
If Daly missed that block, Moran scored the point - Keegan points the last free and Mayo won. Then no doubt Donaghy would have a different narrative.
Mayo's experience etc

Basically what I am saying is his analysis was lazy and based more so on the scoreboard, rather than anything else.

Powerhouse

That sums it up really. Mayo missed a very very scoreable free at the end. If they'd scored that all this stuff about hunger would be irrelevant. That's the problem with the "hunger" argument. Everybody knows that in any endeavour determination and attitude matter but they are too often lazily posited as the catch-all explanation for a result. Mayo conceded two goals more than they scored and kicked 17 wides. Hard to win anything that way.

Stoner

Score for Donegal!

Might settle in now

nice_guy80

Powerhouse wrote: »

I don't doubt that such rivalries exist but I question their relevance. What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2009 when Mayo beat them by 20 points? What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2013 when Mayo beat them by 12 points? What good did hatred do Roscommon in 2017 when Mayo beat them by 21 points?

These things are fine and can be retro-fitted to a result as required to add pleasure but in advance of it provide empty energy if any at all, and have long since been superseded by strange modernities like strategy and preparation. Hence the savage beatings Roscommon have endured from Mayo most of the time in the last decade. Presumably they were equally p*ssed off about Ballaghadereen during all that time.

Or the fact that Roscommon teams have had huge baggage going to Castlebar for decades

BonnieSituation

threeball wrote: »

The best an fairest way to do it is divide the league into 3 divisions. If you're in the top two you play in the all Ireland. Division 3 have a separate championship. That means even if you are division 3 at the start of the year you still have the chance to play in the all Ireland by getting promoted first. It's great preparation too.

Leave the league alone.

Strabanimal

Yellow card? Laughable

OldMrBrennan83

That easily should have been a red.

Strabanimal

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

That easily should have been a red.

Giving a dirty defensive team like Donegal the ability to do that with just a yellow is a joke. Player taken out straight after it too.

The refs need to be consistent

Hammer Archer

Not a chance was that a red. Fermanagh man made a meal of it.

OldMrBrennan83

That's some shambolic defending.

Strabanimal

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Not a chance was that a red. Fermanagh man made a meal of it.

So blatently tackling a player around the neck is just a yellow now? The theatrics doesnt matter.

Another foul from Donegal.

tanko

Yeah, a red would have been very harsh there.

threeball

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Leave the league alone.

Why? Adding the top two teams from division 2 to division 1 is hardly doing it irreparable damage. I'd argue that those teams would have a good chance of beating all but the top two in a given year.

The league is too short to be considered a proper league and has no bearing on championship. It would mean more if it did.

Strabanimal

55mins and theyre doing this. Truly ugly style of play they have.

If Tyrone played like this theyd be slaughtered with abuse.

Edit: another foul from Donegal

Hammer Archer

Strabanimal wrote: »

So tackling a player around the neck is just a yellow ow? The theatrics doesnt matter.

Another foul from Donegal.

He grabbed him around the shoulder/neck area. So yes it is just a yellow.

OldMrBrennan83

Strabanimal wrote: »

55mins and theyre doing this. Truly ugly style of play they have.

If Tyrone played like this theyd be slaughtered with abuse.

Edit: another foul from Donegal

Both teams have been slaughtered with abuse for this football, many times. There's no need for the tinfoil mickey complex.

ArnoldJRimmer

Strabanimal wrote: »

55mins and theyre doing this. Truly ugly style of play they have.

If Tyrone played like this theyd be slaughtered with abuse.

Edit: another foul from Donegal

Calm down man, you'll give yourself a heart attack