Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

happyoutscan

I wouldnt risk an unfit Vaughsn or SOS from the start. Stick Lee in there with Aido.

seligehgit

Mayo 2-6
Sligo 0-3

Played with a very strong wind in the first half,quite a poor contest.

seligehgit

Facile win for the minors

Mayo 5-7
Sligo 1-10

Very poor contest.Paul Walsh and Paddy Heneghan were the stand out players.

Our lads will have to up their performance to beat Galway in the Connacht final which takes place in Tuam next Friday.

The pitch looks in immaculate condition for Saturday night.

Audioslaven

happyoutscan wrote: »

I wouldnt risk an unfit Vaughsn or SOS from the start. Stick Lee in there with Aido.

He also needs to move Mcloughlin out to half forward line as we need his link up play to get ball inside.

glack

Audioslaven wrote: »

He also needs to move Mcloughlin out to half forward line as we need his link up play to get ball inside.

Agree completely-Kev Mc doesn’t get enough credit for this.

Loafing Oaf

happyoutscan wrote: »

Stick Lee in there with Aido.

Had forgotten Keegan could play in midfield. Probably our best option alright.

SomethingElse

It'll have to be Keegan or Coen one would think. Jason Gibbons would be a smart addition to the panel at this stage

km79

SomethingElse wrote: »

It'll have to be Keegan or Coen one would think. Jason Gibbons would be a smart addition to the panel at this stage

Jason
Gibbons
Is
Not
Good
Enough

There is literally no point adding a player who has been shown not to be intercounty standard just because he plays that position
Call in a younger prospect if needs be
Mikey Murray may get game time now. Sink or swim time

Bunny Colvin

km79 wrote: »

Jason
Gibbons
Is
Not
Good
Enough

There is literally no point adding a player who has been shown not to be intercounty standard just because he plays that position
Call in a younger prospect if needs be
Mikey Murray may get game time now. Sink or swim time

I'd start Murray and see how he gets on. If it's not working then you can change it up but play him from the start. He could be a real find and it would lift the doom and gloom over our midfield woes.

km79

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

I'd start Murray and see how he gets on. If it's not working then you can change it up but play him from the start. He could be a real find and it would lift the doom and gloom over our midfield woes.

I don’t think there is much other option
Donie and SOS can’t be fit to start
Keegan found his mojo second half the last day so I’d be loathe to reposition him

jr86

Yeah I'm surprised with all this talk about musical chairs and switching players all over the park to account for DOC's injury

Surely its a straightforward case of just putting Murray straight in.

It won't be the losing of the game this week or next week, and if we come through, a bit of competition may start to form again between himself SOS and Vaughan by Super 8s time. Best case scenario we discover another viable midfield option going forward, worst case - well he can always be taken off, that's what subs are for - and we have 6 - but i don't really see too much to lose overall

statto25

Lads wild question but do any of ye know where I'd get a set of baby ear defenders in Mayo. I'm gonna bring the young lad on Saturday and want to keep his lugs safe.

Audioslaven

jr86 wrote: »

Yeah I'm surprised with all this talk about musical chairs and switching players all over the park to account for DOC's injury

Surely its a straightforward case of just putting Murray straight in.

It won't be the losing of the game this week or next week, and if we come through, a bit of competition may start to form again between himself SOS and Vaughan by Super 8s time. Best case scenario we discover another viable midfield option going forward, worst case - well he can always be taken off, that's what subs are for - and we have 6 - but i don't really see too much to lose overall

I don't see it as musical chairs. We have lots of guys that can easily play in different positions. The players are very dynamic look at Mcloughlin as sweeper a few seasons ago, was in half forwards now corner forward, Higgins went to central half forward a few years ago. vaughan midfield when he spend most time in half backs. its horses for courses and playing a new guy in a central position is extremely risky. It could pay off but could easily blow up in your face.

We have options with defenders who have experience that can come in to replace an outstanding dynamic player like keegan. We have AOS for the high fielding and we just need a running engine like keegan...granted he is not the biggest but that has not been an issue before as his upper body strength is very good.

BandMember

Audioslaven wrote: »

He also needs to move Mcloughlin out to half forward line as we need his link up play to get ball inside.

Agreed! McLoughlin is one of our key players and has never got the credit that he deserves. He was tried in the corner before and struggled, no idea why they are persisting with repeating a failed experiment (no more than putting him on the frees, but we'll say no more about that!). I'd move him back out to the wing and try Doherty in the corner (although, no than McLoughlin, he's another key player who is completely underrated and does an absolute mountain of work that most people don't see or acknowledge) just to see if he could play himself back into a little bit of form. However, I don't think he's struggling as badly as many think - he was one of our best players (if not our best) throughout the league, he's just not quite hitting top form in the Championship so far.

km79 wrote: »

Jason
Gibbons
Is
Not
Good
Enough

There is literally no point adding a player who has been shown not to be intercounty standard just because he plays that position
Call in a younger prospect if needs be
Mikey Murray may get game time now. Sink or swim time

I couldn't agree more!! Gibbons seems like a lovely fella, but he's had more than his fair share of chances and proved that he was not good enough for intercounty level. Not good enough then, not good enough now. Time to move on.

As an aside, I've no idea how some lads gain a reputation as the great white hope when they've never shown anything in their performances to deserve it. Gibbons is a prime example. Next thing you know, there'll be calls to bring back Richie Feeney....

jr86

BandMember wrote: »

As an aside, I've no idea how some lads gain a reputation as the great white hope when they've never shown anything in their performances to deserve it. Gibbons is a prime example. Next thing you know, there'll be calls to bring back Richie Feeney....

Gibbons is an extremely good club player.

There's often lots of debate around whether good club form is really a true indicator that a guy is up to county standard - they're a completely different game and standard - but its the best basis people have to go on really to judge a player outside the county set up

In fairness over the years there has been plenty of basis for the calls for his inclusion - however, unfortunately, Gibbons seems to be one of those that can't quite translate his club form into county form

I'm not sure his situation is really comparable with Richie Feeney's tbh. i don't ever recall Richie being a stand out club player or stand out in a Mayo jersey, but he was a bit of a cult hero of sorts

Blackjack

jr86 wrote: »

Gibbons is an extremely good club player.

There's often lots of debate around whether good club form is really a true indicator that a guy is up to county standard - they're a completely different game and standard - but its the best basis people have to go on really to judge a player outside the county set up

In fairness over the years there has been plenty of basis for the calls for his inclusion - however, unfortunately, Gibbons seems to be one of those that can't quite translate his club form into county form

I'm not sure his situation is really comparable with Richie Feeney's tbh. i don't ever recall Richie being a stand out club player or stand out in a Mayo jersey, but he was a bit of a cult hero of sorts

There’s a lot of players in the club scene that have the Richie Feeney status. You could have 3 teams with those lads.

I did like Jason Gibbons as a county player a few years ago but he was very unfortunate with Injury when his opportunity was there as well as when he was at his best - that was 2016. I think he had his chance a couple of times this year or last and he wasn’t up to it from what I could see. I think it’s time to try someone else and while Mikey Murray is very new to the setup, we’re as well to give him a shot if he looks like he can do a job.

I reckon this season is a write off anyway. Too many injuries in the squad and too many games to play where further injuries are a risk. We are as well to use it to blood some younger players and give them some Championship experience.

jr86

Blackjack wrote: »

I reckon this season is a write off anyway. Too many injuries in the squad and too many games to play where further injuries are a risk. We are as well to use it to blood some younger players and give them some Championship experience.

Yeah, couldn't agree more

Edgware

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Its frustrating not knowing how far way either of those two are, or the other injuries for that matter.

Still, win this game and we play one of Galway, Cavan, Meath or Cork. I wouldnt be throwing in the towel just yet. I think its absolutely crucial we reach the Super 8's, the experience alone for the younger players will be invaluable

Looking around it seems to me that there is Dublin and Donegal and then a lot of counties that could come through to a semi final stage where anything can happen. I wouldnt write off Mayo and Horan yet. There is fierce experience there. Armagh are tough but get to the qualifiers and see what happens.
Are matches better than training at this time of the year I wonder?
Also what good are easy matches doing for Dublin? I know Jim Galvin is good but the Drive for 5 bull**** is building now and complacency can get in to the players head.

seligehgit

A bit of non football news.

Tommy O Reilly has been appointed as the commercial manager by Mayo GAA.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/06/25/4176040-mayo-gaa-board-appoints-commercial-manager/

charlie14

seligehgit wrote: »

A bit of non football news.

Tommy O Reilly has been appointed as the commercial manager by Mayo GAA.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/06/25/4176040-mayo-gaa-board-appoints-commercial-manager/

Good man Tom.
I know Tom and Maeve Canning as was, from away back. He will bring a load of experience to the job from his banking days and as well as being a handy footballer was a great man for a bit of craic.
Unless he has changed greatly he could charm birds out of trees which in his new position will also be a great asset to Mayo football in his new position

charlie14

Edgware wrote: »

Looking around it seems to me that there is Dublin and Donegal and then a lot of counties that could come through to a semi final stage where anything can happen. I wouldnt write off Mayo and Horan yet. There is fierce experience there. Armagh are tough but get to the qualifiers and see what happens.
Are matches better than training at this time of the year I wonder?
Also what good are easy matches doing for Dublin? I know Jim Galvin is good but the Drive for 5 bull**** is building now and complacency can get in to the players head.

Donegal are going well, but all this Dublin and Donegal hype is looked on by Donegal supporters as nothing more than journalists looking to fill pages. Early days yet talking about who can give them a game and Dublin can afford to be complacent in Leinster, but come the Super 8`s Gavin will not be long knocking that notion out of their heads.


Competitive matches are always better than training sessions or challenges for bringing lads on. Mayo are in a tough spot at the minute with injuries, but get over the Armagh game and the replacements brought in will greatly benefit. After that a half decent draw and you are in the Super 8`s where anything is possible.

Seámus-Púbach

Who is this Galvin lad yere on about?

Edgware

Seámus-Púbach wrote: »

Who is this Galvin lad yere on about?

He's the Dublin manager but we are going to annoy people by using a wrong name

seligehgit

Armagh Preview

Mayo News Football Podcast 2019

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2019-06-27T03_37_42-07_00.mp3

Wooly has a very decent preview of the game on yesterday's GAA hour podcast.

Panrich

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Eh no it doesnt ffs, why are you trying to read something into this? You could break your wrist in the most innocuous accidental contact

O Connor missed the NY game with a broken eye socket as well due to a training accident and now is out for the season with this wrist injury. Ruane got a broken collarbone last week so questions are valid.

Stoner

Blackjack wrote:

I did like Jason Gibbons as a county player a few years ago but he was very unfortunate with Injury when his opportunity was there as well as when he was at his best - that was 2016. I think he had his chance a couple of times this year or last and he wasn’t up to it from what I could see. I think it’s time to try someone else and while Mikey Murray is very new to the setup, we’re as well to give him a shot if he looks like he can do a job.

How much of a chance did he get though.

Was it not 2015, was that when Kerry beat Mayo in the replay in limerick.

Wasn't he subbed in the first game and hasn't really played since.

I haven't seen him play for mayo since anyway, hasn't to the best of my knowledge played against Dublin since.

I remember thinking a few years ago that he was handy, had a good run in the league.
Always had an uneducated opinion that he was a bit unlucky at the time. His name has popped up on squads alright, I don't think he was on your 2016 squad at all. I could be very wrong though.

I think midfielders' shape has changed since then now anyway I've noticed, Dublin's Fenton, Donegal's J McGee, that young Mayo lad Ruane and DOC are all carrying less bulk and last the whole game. The lad being pushed as Fentons ultimate midfield partner, Gavin is another tall, fast but light looking player.

The days of a SOS , AOS, MDMA etc playing there and taking up subs are numbered IMO, particularly needing two subs for 8 and 9 at 55 minutes wont work, they are needed for impact forwards and as a result defenders.

M Murphy is an exception to this observation, since he looks almost fat but is still lashing around at the end the games.

Blackjack

Stoner wrote: »

How much of a chance did he get though.

Was it not 2015, was that when Kerry beat Mayo in the replay in limerick.

Wasn't he subbed in the first game and hasn't really played since.

I haven't seen him play for mayo since anyway, hasn't to the best of my knowledge played against Dublin since.

I remember thinking a few years ago that he was handy, had a good run in the league.
Always had an uneducated opinion that he was a bit unlucky at the time. His name has popped up on squads alright, I don't think he was on your 2016 squad at all. I could be very wrong though.

I think midfielders' shape has changed since then now anyway I've noticed, Dublin's Fenton, Donegal's J McGee, that young Mayo lad Ruane and DOC are all carrying less bulk and last the whole game. The lad being pushed as Fentons ultimate midfield partner, Gavin is another tall, fast but light looking player.

The days of a SOS , AOS, MDMA etc playing there and taking up subs are numbered IMO, particularly needing two subs for 8 and 9 at 55 minutes wont work, they are needed for impact forwards and as a result defenders.

M Murphy is an exception to this observation, since he looks almost fat but is still lashing around at the end the games.

I think Gibbons was dropped by the 2 Genius co managers for reasons better known to them. He was showing good form in the league in 2016 when he got a shoulder injury in one of the later games that pretty much ruled him out for that season. I think he played a few league games in the intervening years, and I know he played once or twice this year) but hasn’t cut the mustard.
I think he was making a case for a permanent squad position in 2016 prior to injury, which really was very unfortunate.

Also as regards AOS being subbed on 55 minutes I’d struggle to recall a game where that has happened or indeed where it would be needed. I know that SOS would certainly be one now that has 55 minutes or less.

Blackjack

Stoner wrote: »

It's not really, we talked about this last year, that Donegal have the footballers, that was a good bit of time ago, you could see it coming

A good few young big players added in.

This year we talked about Donegal too. They have far better footballers than Tyrone, I know we are in the Mayo thread but with all Mayo's injuries I think that Donegal have better players than Mayo now too at the moment.

Donegal have some great forwards at least two are there with the best and Brennan is flying. Midfielders can kick long range points, great free taker. A young modern keeper that has a fantastic kickout, still one of the best specialist No 3s, McGrath is possibly the best corner back on form in the country at the moment, through in some crafty NcHughs who understand what's going on and understand the momentum of a big game.

I never thought the "Mayo will give Dublin a good run" was BS.

On the same footballing logic I think Donegal have potentially an excellent chance of winning the final.
Donegal will be very hard to plan against, plus they have up to date knowledge on the line too.

Anyway sorry for derailing the Mayo thread, the cute hoors must have given you grinds Charlie. Lessons from 1992 won't be lost on Galvin.

I wont post in the wrong thread on this again.

Agree with the above. Donegal have a great setup this year, they have excellent forwards who are kore than capable of scoring from distance, a good defensive bunch and a keeper who’s kick outs have proven to be quite reliable this year. They also have Rochford who from speaking to people that would be close to the Donegal setup has been quite excellent. Coaching is his thing and our County Boards rush to get him out of Mayo Football is our loss and Donegals gain.
Then theres Michael Murphy who is exceptional as long as he concentrates on game and doesn’t get sucked into to the niggle stuff, as well as a number of other great players.
I honestly think that Donegal are one of 2 genuine contenders for the all Ireland this year.

RedDevil55

Stoner wrote: »

How much of a chance did he get though.

Was it not 2015, was that when Kerry beat Mayo in the replay in limerick.

Wasn't he subbed in the first game and hasn't really played since.

I haven't seen him play for mayo since anyway, hasn't to the best of my knowledge played against Dublin since.

I remember thinking a few years ago that he was handy, had a good run in the league.
Always had an uneducated opinion that he was a bit unlucky at the time. His name has popped up on squads alright, I don't think he was on your 2016 squad at all. I could be very wrong though.

I think midfielders' shape has changed since then now anyway I've noticed, Dublin's Fenton, Donegal's J McGee, that young Mayo lad Ruane and DOC are all carrying less bulk and last the whole game. The lad being pushed as Fentons ultimate midfield partner, Gavin is another tall, fast but light looking player.

The days of a SOS , AOS, MDMA etc playing there and taking up subs are numbered IMO, particularly needing two subs for 8 and 9 at 55 minutes wont work, they are needed for impact forwards and as a result defenders.

M Murphy is an exception to this observation, since he looks almost fat but is still lashing around at the end the games.

Gibbons came off the bench in the 2012 final and scored a point so has had plenty of chances. I remember he had a very good league in 2014 especially. Wasn't involved much under Holmes/Connelly in 2015 but in fairness Parsons, SOS and Barry Moran were all fit and playing well that year.

He started against Galway in the 2016 championship but picked up a shoulder injury which finished his year. He possibly should have been kept on the panel in 2017 and 2018 as Barry Moran was there but hardly played through injury.

Overall though I think JH made the correct decision this year putting faith in someone like Mikey Murray.

RedDevil55

More changes than I expected...