Tesla Model Y

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

my all time favorite fast saloon, the e60 M5.

You do realise your 90D is away faster from the lights than that glorious V10 racing engine can propel the M5? Which kind of makes the ultimate saloon, well, eh, not so ultimate any more...

ELM327

Oh I do, and it is a very much mixed emotion!
Similar range too, 240-250 miles!
Much cheaper to fill up though

The 90D and 100D are actually not far off the performance Y , in terms of 0-60 times. It's over a second slower than the new S, and about a second slower than the new X

This is what I think of when people suggest the S or X will be antiquated.

unkel

I wouldn't dismiss the S / X so easily. Sure they use some older tech than the 3 / Y and the designs are a good few years old now. Still the daddy though.

Oafley Jones

unkel wrote: »

I wouldn't dismiss the S / X so easily. Sure they use some older tech than the 3 / Y and the designs are a good few years old now. Still the daddy though.

I wouldn't trust an X to be honest. Heard nothing but overwhelmingly negative stories regarding build quality and on repeated issues of reliability. And that's from people I know IRL.

unkel

There's no denying build quality and other problems with (early) Model X cars.

That said, if you buy a Model X now, second hand with a Tesla warranty, you have nothing much to worry about. Most problems will have been resolved by now and you are protected from the fallout of new problems by the warranty. If something needs fixing, you will get a loaner Tesla for the duration of the works and mostly one that is better / newer than your own car.

Oafley Jones

unkel wrote: »

That said, if you buy a Model X now, second hand with a Tesla warranty, you have nothing much to worry about. Most problems will have been resolved by now and you are protected from the fallout of new problems by the warranty. If something needs fixing, you will get a loaner Tesla for the duration of the works and mostly one that is better / newer than your own car.

Have they though. I see stories from last year of on-going issues on Tesla forums. I want a car to work, getting warranty work, loaners etc. is absolute pain in the hole.

Idbatterim

ELM327 wrote: »

Oh I do, and it is a very much mixed emotion!
Similar range too, 240-250 miles!
Much cheaper to fill up though

The 90D and 100D are actually not far off the performance Y , in terms of 0-60 times. It's over a second slower than the new S, and about a second slower than the new X

This is what I think of when people suggest the S or X will be antiquated.

I doubt the vast majority of buyers of the Y care about the 0-100 time within reason, the X, Y, 3 are all ridiculously quick...

ELM327

Idbatterim wrote: »

I doubt the vast majority of buyers of the Y care about the 0-100 time within reason, the X, Y, 3 are all ridiculously quick...

They are but for most of us 50k, 60k, 70k plus is a heck ofa lot of money so it should be something that ticks every box


I don't want a performance Y which is only .3-.5 seconds faster to 60 than my "old" S90D from 2016, a non performance model.


To be honest the 0-60 times of 2.3-2.5 in the new S PL is one reason I would consider it over the X or Cybertruck, but , I already have an S and I wanted a change.


0-60 times are very important to some folks.

unkel

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Have they though. I see stories from last year of on-going issues on Tesla forums. I want a car to work, getting warranty work, loaners etc. is absolute pain in the hole.

I fully get that. The Model X would probably not be a good choice of car for you then.

I'd say for most people in the market for a Model X, there is nothing like it out there, people are aware it is not the most reliable / best built car but they are willing to compromise. Within reason, of course. Not many people buying a second hand Model X would be unaware there can be issues.

slave1

Model Y is THE Tesla car, they've got it bang on now.
It will be my first Tesla

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Model Y is THE Tesla car, they've got it bang on now.
It will be my first Tesla

Musk has always said it will sell more than all other Teslas put together

DesperateDan

I will probably try and upgrade to a Model Y when I have paid back the Kona (only 45 months to go ). I wonder how different the market will look by then.

highly1111

slave1 wrote: »

Model Y is THE Tesla car, they've got it bang on now.
It will be my first Tesla

Me too - my husband has the S but I want the Y!

Any idea the latest on a roll out? Late 2021 still?

ELM327

The Y started being delivered in the US last week. Could be here in Q4 2020 or H1 2021 is my guess

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Musk has always said it will sell more than all other Teslas put together

Makes sense too. Everyone and his mother wants a CUV these days. Not just the US/CA market either, emea is the same.


If it was 5-7.5k cheaper I think it would blow the competition out of the water. Cant see many people spending 50k on a crossover though

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Cant see many people spending 50k on a crossover though

Why not? Plenty of people spent nearly the same money on its little brother, now the best selling car in many markets.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Why not? Plenty of people spent nearly the same money on its little brother, now the best selling car in many markets.

True, and , like yourself, many more may have bought the 3 if it were a hatchback/crossover instead of a saloon


I think it will be a huge success and easily the best selling Tesla ever.
I just don't think it's as slam dunk as people seem to think

liamog

They probably do need a smaller hatch for the European market, did I hear that the Chinese designers were given a brief?

unkel

liamog wrote: »

They probably do need a smaller cheaper hatch for the European market

FYP

Round Cable

ELM327 wrote: »

True, and , like yourself, many more may have bought the 3 if it were a hatchback/crossover instead of a saloon


I think it will be a huge success and easily the best selling Tesla ever.
I just don't think it's as slam dunk as people seem to think

People are forking over €40k for a Kona, e-Niro or 62kWh Leaf, the price gap between these and the Model Y is not so large, and you would be getting a far superior vehicle.

Silent Running

liamog wrote: »

They probably do need a smaller hatch for the European market, did I hear that the Chinese designers were given a brief?

I'm sure I saw a photo somewhere of a Tesla model 2 prototype.

jusmeig

Silent Running wrote: »

I'm sure I saw a photo somewhere of a Tesla model 2 prototype.

Never heard of a prototype, but Muskie did say a "small" Tesla would def be coming at some point.

ELM327

I think there was an unofficial rendering at some point

carloscorreia

This one?



full article:
https://thedriven.io/2020/01/17/tesla-model-2-tesla-recruits-talent-for-new-designed-in-china-ev/

AndyBoBandy

Looks kinda Nissan Juke size

unkel

That looks very cool. I don't think there is a major urgency on Tesla to unveal this, let alone launch it in the next year or so though. Time to make massive profits first and overwhelm the world with the best selling Model 3 and Model Y first

carloscorreia

A small video showing the model Y heat pump and some Elon Musk's twitter comments

https://electrek.co/2020/03/23/tesla-model-y-heat-pump-elon-musk-best-engineering/

fricatus

Doug has a video up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAXDcTH6hPw

sk8board

the Y has fixed most of the rear and boot space issues we had with the 3, which we just couldn’t use as the main family car. I think the Y will be a winner.

To put it in perspective, here’s a list of 5-seater SUVs in the €55-65k bracket:
Stelvio
Q5
X3
F-Pace
Velar
Evoque
Discovery sport
GLC
Xc60

That’s a LOT of decent volume models that we see on Irish roads every single day.
Based on that list alone, Id say the Y will capture a lot of those middle class buyers.

carloscorreia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfpIlepFbY