Tesla Model Y

unkel

sk8board wrote: »

This sounds anti Tesla, but I’m genuinely just so disappointed.
All promise and marketing. Zero delivery and substance (here in Ireland).

Rant over!

You've every right to be disappointed and to rant. I don't believe Tesla are lying, they are and have always been overly optimistic when it comes to promising things. They have - eventually - delivered on pretty much everything though.

Agreed that it is great to see VW finally putting all their weight behind the electrification. We all know they can build cars well and now they build EVs well.

slave1

Seems GigaBerlin delays are BS, production in 3+months time...

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-giga-berlin-isnt-facing-6-month-delay-jorg-steinbach-interview/

cannco253

I dunno, there seems to be a lot of noise around the whole plant there at the moment. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of a "well-known politician(s)" mouth in this country.

https://www.reuters.com/article/tesla-germany-works-council/top-union-sets-sights-on-works-council-at-teslas-german-gigafactory-idUSL8N2MU44N

https://www.dw.com/en/locals-views-on-german-tesla-plant-irreconcilable-as-production-start-faces-delay/a-57405731
"Production was originally slated to start in July this year. But a delay of several months is likely as the amended building plan application needs to be scrutinized by regional authorities — and the public."

Who knows what nuggets the Technoking might drop during SNL this weekend?

sk8board

In light of our chat above, I had to lol when I saw this

“Tesla admits Elon Musk's 'full self-driving' claim not feasible yet”

https://www.business-standard.com/article/automobile/tesla-admits-elon-musk-s-full-self-driving-claim-not-feasible-yet-121050800268_1.html

“Elon's tweet does not match engineering reality per CJ. Tesla is at Level 2 currently," Tesla's director of Autopilot software CJ Moore told the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)”


This is the type of stuff that drives me daft. Probably the engineer in me that bought into Musks rambling over the years.
He’s a genius at deflection.

filter out absolutely everything Musk says and you’ll be a lot closer to the reality of what’s happening at Tesla.

cannco253

https://electrek.co/2021/05/17/elon-musk-visits-tesla-gigafactory-berlin-complains-about-bureaucracy-production-delayed/

Musk visited the Gigafactory Berlin construction site today and commented on the production timeline [via Reuters]:

It’s hard to predict with precision cause you can only make the cars when all of the pieces are here. It looks like we’re able to start production end of this year.

carloscorreia

It seems the Texas Model Y will have the 4680 battery cells

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-texas-4680-batteries-elon-musk/

unkel

carloscorreia wrote: »

It seems the Texas Model Y will have the 4680 battery cells

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-texas-4680-batteries-elon-musk/

I fear the Berlin Model Y won't?

Interesting all the same, you'd have thought Tesla would showcase the new batteries in the plaid + Model S first. I guess maybe they still will.

Third_Echelon

ted1 wrote: »

Do Tesla actually have a marketing department?

Their production capabilities are pretty common knowledge their manufacturing base was minimal 3 years ago.

They famously got rid of their marketing and PR department a few years ago. They don't advertise really either.

I also saw recently that they are building more 'tent' production lines at Fremont for the Model Y to meet demand: https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-expands-production-line-for-model-y-and-builds-a-new-tent-near-ga4

Third_Echelon

My Model Y (LR AWD 7 Seater) was delivered on 22 March, so just coming up to 2 months ownership now. It's a fantastic car!

I had a few minor issues upon delivery that they took care of in one service centre visit, but also had an additional trip to the body shop to fix the boot lid that had alignment issues (they couldn't do the fix at the Service Centre). Came back perfect. Apart from that, the experience has been good so far.

The driving position is just at a nice height and the internal dimensions are quite roomy. We have 2 child car seats in the middle row and they fit perfectly and the kids love looking out of the panoramic roof. Boot space is great and with the frunk and rear sub trunk, that adds so much more room. It really is a great car for families. Haven't had too much use yet for the third row, but with the summer coming up I think we'll probably see a few occasions to test them out.

Performance is excellent as well. Acceleration is really smooth and fast (similar to the Model 3 LR) and it's a really fun car to drive. Puts a smile on my face every time.

russelldlee

Third_Echelon wrote: »

My Model Y (LR AWD 7 Seater) was delivered on 22 March, so just coming up to 2 months ownership now. It's a fantastic car!

I had a few minor issues upon delivery that they took care of in one service centre visit, but also had an additional trip to the body shop to fix the boot lid that had alignment issues (they couldn't do the fix at the Service Centre). Came back perfect. Apart from that, the experience has been good so far.

The driving position is just at a nice height and the internal dimensions are quite roomy. We have 2 child car seats in the middle row and they fit perfectly and the kids love looking out of the panoramic roof. Boot space is great and with the frunk and rear sub trunk, that adds so much more room. It really is a great car for families. Haven't had too much use yet for the third row, but with the summer coming up I think we'll probably see a few occasions to test them out.

Performance is excellent as well. Acceleration is really smooth and fast (similar to the Model 3 LR) and it's a really fun car to drive. Puts a smile on my face every time.

Great, how much boot space is there with the 7 seats?

Also, where are you based?

Third_Echelon

russelldlee wrote: »

Great, how much boot space is there with the 7 seats?

Also, where are you based?

Irish, but I'm based in California.

With the 7 seats up, the remaining boot space isn't bad. You basically have the length of the subtrunk left. The subtrunk is around 14" deep, so you have that up to the height of the glass to use. I successfully fit a folded double buggy into the subtrunk putting it in 'head first'. Boot lid closes successfully.

The buggy is this one (for reference). It's big: https://www.amazon.com/Baby-Jogger-City-Double-Stroller/dp/B07YGVFZFH

There are two deep 'side pockets' either side of the subtrunk as well behind the wheel arches. You can fit a surprising amount of stuff in them.

I'll throw a few pics up later today.

Third_Echelon

So as promised, some pictures of the third row of the Model Y 7 Seater.

The car on delivery day: https://imgur.com/XSf8Ppq

This was the test drive vehicle that I had to ensure that car seats and buggy etc would fit. You can see the folded double buggy fits into the remaining boot space when third row seats are up: https://imgur.com/wL4ew7e

This is my own vehicle on delivery day with the third row up. You will notice that the third row seats have the over seat back anchor for kids car seats too. Haven't tried that yet, but you might need the more slimline seats for the third row. Haven't tried mine which are on the bigger side: https://imgur.com/vLWkCQu

Jumping into the third row. Fine for kids and adults 5'7" and under. Could maybe do up to an hour back there as an adult. Left side middle row seats, 2/3 pops up. Right side, just the remaining 1/3 pops up for access: https://imgur.com/GHQpDUI

The middle row moves back and forward on a rail to allow for legroom in the third row. There are 3 or 4 positions on the rail to allow for more or less leg room. The 'middle' setting allows for decent legroom in both the third row and second row. The rail movement also splits 2/3 to 1/3 left side/right side, so you have lots of flexibility in positioning the middle row (it's not one whole bench):
https://imgur.com/mQ4Lz93
https://imgur.com/lBnXbU4
https://imgur.com/PkU10wt

Rear facing and forward facing kids car seats. Front passenger seat that backs on to the rear facing car seat has loads of legroom up front. The front seat is moved back to touch the car seat in this particular pic: https://imgur.com/IelEog2

Third row down for 'full' boot space: https://imgur.com/cCIv6cg

If you are a family with two young kids that still need car seats, then the MY will definitely work for you day to day. 3 car seats, you'd definitely need the slimline seats for 3 in the middle row. If your kids are in booster seats or old enough to be just in regular seat belts, then you would be comfortable with 3 or 4 kids in the various seat configurations that it allows. Obviously the more kids you have, the more of their stuff you have to haul around as well, so it really depends on your use case. You might run out of cargo capacity. At the end of the day it's a compact SUV (CUV). You might need more space if you're a larger family and might be better off with a minivan or something like that. For the average family, it will be more than enough.

If there are no kids involved, then the MY also works really well for adult passengers. The middle row has loads of leg room. Very spacious.I wouldn't really put an adult taller than 5'7" in the third row if you go for the 7 seater option. It's a $3k addition in the US for the third row seats, so in my case was worth it for the flexibility that it allows. If you go for the 5 seater, then you get an additional small subtrunk where the seats fold into when not in use in the 7 seat version.

I just hope that the Irish price point is decent as it will match the needs of a lot of people and families that want to move to an EV or move to a larger EV. In our case we consolidated 2 cars into one (Hyundai Santa Fe 7 Seater and a VW eGolf).

cannco253

https://insideevs.com/news/508859/nonperformance-tesla-model-3y-prices/

What price will the Y be by the time it eventually gets released in Europe? Have Tesla Europe been increasing the prices of the cars here as frequently as in the US?

ELM327

They havent sold the Y here yet so you can't increase yet!

Lumen

cannco253 wrote: »

https://insideevs.com/news/508859/nonperformance-tesla-model-3y-prices/

What price will the Y be by the time it eventually gets released in Europe?

85,000 Federation credits, probably.

cannco253

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/tesla-wins-against-green-activists-who-sought-delay-european-plant

slave1

RHD orders now live for Hong Kong with September as estimated delivery

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117227992#Comment_117227992

In Germany the list price will be €59965 including tax. That puts it significantly above a M3 SR+ and well above all the SUV/Crossover vehicles it is competing with. Good luck haggling with Tesla for a discount on list whereas with the other manufacturers you can haggle for a couple of hundred euro(although not much more than that especially with VAG who have menu pricing).

https://www.bafa.de/DE/Energie/Energieeffizienz/Elektromobilitaet/Fahrzeuglistung/elektromobilitaet_fahrzeuglistung_node.html

They're obviously trying to fleece the Tesla fanboys before pitching at the mass market.

Coltrane

LHD Model Y's now delivering later this year to many European countries. Hopefully UK/IE will follow soon!

It may be a coincidence but I got a "Meet Model Y" email from Tesla this afternoon!

unkel

I think your post is a bit mixed up too. Model Y is delivering to European countries, I think it can be ordered in the likes of Norway already. But are we (UK / Ireland) getting any RHD ones?

Any of them MIC?

Coltrane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117679355#Comment_117679355

Yes😴 Hoping that we'll get some RHDs soon, from Shanghai!

unkel

Going to be outside of my budget but a Model Y Performance MIC would not be a bad successor to my Model S

Coltrane

The dog makes the call on these things in our house. She prefers the boot to the back seat, which pretty much rules out Model 3 (my own humble preference)...

Great to see how energy efficient the Y (2,003kg, 167Wh/km for the LR) is. Not as extraordinarily efficient as the 3 but almost identical to much lighter cars such as the ID3 (1,725kg, 164Wh/km) and the i3 (1,345kg, 165Wh/km). At least according to EV Database.

It even has a decent turning circle at 12m.

JohnC.

Some from Shanghai now being spotted in Europe. Here’s one with a Very Clever Disguise

https://mobile.twitter.com/tesla_adri/status/1426155735013072902?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1426155735013072902%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-not-a-model-y-europe

cannco253

https://youtu.be/aQ6Ctj7z-js

First Model Ys in Germany reviewed

ELM327

Looks like EU deliveries of the Y are starting.

Meanwhile in RHD we cant even pre order

unkel

Your latest plan is to buy a new Model Y? I think RHD is Giga Berlin (not MIC like the rest of Europe are getting), so that would be well into next year.

ELM327

No, that was the royal WE. As in Irish/RHD.

unkel

Royal WE means I ;-)

slave1

Bjorn all over Y at the minute as deliveries hit Norway, expect plenty of vids on this one

sk8board

Seems v happy with the Chinese factory quality of it too - went through every nook and cranny of it

unkel

As expected really. MIC Model Y with LiFePo4 batteries quite likely years ahead of the competition still. If that is improved upon again with the Berlin factory that gap is far from being closed. Although I suspect the main improvements from Berlin will be in more mundane areas like paint, I'm not expecting any cutting edge tech stuff or build quality improvements. I'm not convinced 4680 structural cells are all that better than LiFePo4 currently in MIC cars, if at all

landlord2020

thinking of putting a deposit on a €50K Q4 e-tron (77Kwh) for delivery in Q1

If I waited for Berlin to produce RHD model Y what would be the expected time and estimated starting price in Ireland ?

unkel

Nobody knows.

That said, a few things are near certain. Even the base model Model Y will cost more than that €50k Q4 e-tron (which is basically a VW ID.4), it will have a smaller battery than the Audi, but it is far more efficient, so should have similar range. It also has a far superior autonomous driving system as standard. And I doubt it will be available before Q3 delivery

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117804748#Comment_117804748

All true, but I’m not sure the mass market volume buyer will care (or know anything about) about MIC, LiFePo4 or 4680 cells, and are more likely to be attracted to Tesla by the ‘it’s cool and I can afford it’ factor.

in the mass market, it’s all about price and need, hence the ID4 is in the sweet spot at the moment, irrespective of how many years the Y might be ahead of it in underlying tech.

‘done is better than perfect’. The ID4 was announced far later but got to market first and is sweeping up the potential buyers

unkel

Couldn't agree more. ID.4 is aimed at people just wanting to replace their ICE with a decent EV, costing roughly the same to buy. VW has done an excellent job aiming for this market and producing the cars in the quantities the people are looking for. The car is a good 5-10 years behind Tesla, but does that matter? Do buyers care? I'd say no to both.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805322#Comment_117805322

ID4 and eTron great EVs, if folk undecided then the Supercharger Network kicks in, by the time MY arrives here we should have 10 SuC hubs minimum on the island, that's a big selling factor

Old diesel

Big caveat with LFP is the winter performance.

The initial winter performance with Model 3s wasn't amazing.

Time will tell if updates and improvements have been made.

celtic_oz

Why would the range go down so quick at 70 miles an hour ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XytRan9Fabw

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117809650#Comment_117809650

Drag, lower the drag the lower the difference, there's fek all difference between me driving my S at 120 versus 110 due to good drag co-efficient, I'd have to drop to 100 to see anything worthwhile and I ain't doing that on a motorway as it kinda defeats the purpose of choosing that road

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117809759#Comment_117809759

@ 2.5x ?? .. he said with 230 miles of range left he would assume 100 miles at that speed

unkel

No. Not 2.5x. Nowhere near it. I suspect that owner is a fool. Or he is talking porkies to get his view count up. That plan is working. I don't want to, but I will watch that video to see what to make of it.

Sam W

There are a hell lot of similar reviews in China where electric cars are becoming increasingly popular. They always focus on things like batteries are nowhere as good as petrols, auto pilot kills etc.

These people are 9 times out of 10 paid by some big petrol car brands and most EV owners are disgusted by those, but there’s nothing we can do.

The common consensus is that depending on speed/air-con/weather/acceleration, the real range is around 65%-95% of the advertised range for LFP batteries.

0lddog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805346#Comment_117805346

ID.4 = Taxi EV

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811420#Comment_117811420

Every time I see an ID.4 taxi (or any other EV taxi like a Leaf or the white Tesla Model 3 I regularly see around Lucan), I think: clever taxi man.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117809650#Comment_117809650

He is selling the car because:

1. The headrests don't move - you didn't notice on your test drive?
2. The range is off - dude the range on any car is based on a standard cycle. That only touches the speed limit for a minute out of the 30 minute cycle. If you drive at 70MPH you have significantly less range than the cycle would suggest. In any car. Not just EVs. The car displays 223mi and he reckons he has about 100mi range. Bollox. Unless he drives at very far above the speed limit, I guess well over 100MPH. He obviously has never used the satnav then either, which will guide you to your destination via superchargers, so you don't have to worry about your range on a long range trip in a country with plenty of superchargers everywhere (like the US or most of Europe)
3. Electricity costs - it's expensive to charge at superchargers "and I never charge it at home because it only charges at like 5 miles every hour". And even if he charged solely at superchargers, it would cost roughly the same as any ICE vehicle. Not that he must be short of cash buying a Tesla Model Y performance

What a tool 🙄

0lddog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811793#Comment_117811793

Jaysus, an M3 as a taxi is just WRONG

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811978#Comment_117811978

I was out running yesterday and passed a Renault Zoe taxi in swords :D

surely theres a regulation against it, you’d think

0lddog

"Renault Zoe taxi in swords surely there a regulation against it, you’d think"

OK as a taxi if restricted to Deliveroo work

DesperateDan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117804838#Comment_117804838

My GF picked up the Q4 35 e-tron Sport (52KWh) for €52k (including a tow-bar). If you can get a 77KWh for under 60 the current owners have been had alright :D