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Peugeot 208e 50kWh

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,028 rivegauche


    160,000 8 year warranty on battery.
    looks slippery and low enough to actually get decent range out of Town.
    No battery rental mentioned which is good.

    Zoe becomes less desirable after this gets released.

    I've taken delivery of a Zoe and it will do for two years by which time this or the Opel Corsa EV based on it will be available to me.
    110ps Zoe is pokey enough and faster than 9 out of 10 cars in City driving but this should be impressively fast in all circumstances without qualification needed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    Why is the range so middling with that advertised battery size ?


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 31,018 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mickeroo


    Will it actually be €25,000 before incentives?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    About 90,000km before you recoup the difference between the ICE and EV on fuel costs alone which isn’t to bad


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    The new Zoe will be out soon, specs look almost identical. I reckon it will be another Clio vs. 205/206/207/208. Or maybe Monsieur/Madam would like a Citroen instead. The PSA and Renault will be competitors and you let your own preferences to decide which one you drive home. It's interesting anyway that only the French (this includes Opel) are planning supermini electric cars at the moment as that segment is very price conscious.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,114 ✭✭✭✭ BorneTobyWilde


    That black around the wheel arches makes it look like it's on stilts , like it's a mini monster truck

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,028 rivegauche


    samih wrote: »
    The new Zoe will be out soon, specs look almost identical. I reckon it will be another Clio vs. 205/206/207/208. Or maybe Monsieur/Madam would like a Citroen instead. The PSA and Renault will be competitors and you let your own preferences to decide which one you drive home. It's interesting anyway that only the French (this includes Opel) are planning supermini electric cars at the moment as that segment is very price conscious.
    The new Zoe will be a refreshed current Zoe, not based on the Clio Mk5. It is simply too tall and has too poor a drag co-efficient to get good out of town range.
    The renault and nissan new EV platform doesn't come until 2021/2022.
    The current Zoe doesn't handle well because it is too tall.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,114 ✭✭✭✭ BorneTobyWilde


    Looks like a car sitting on rims with no tyres.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭ BobMc


    I like it, due to buy in '20 too, for a 2nd car be right up out street, might be time to buy electric too, only do about 6k per year in our 2nd car


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    BobMc wrote: »
    I like it, due to buy in '20 too, for a 2nd car be right up out street, might be time to buy electric too, only do about 6k per year in our 2nd car

    6k a year, you could be doing in a 2011 Leaf!
    What would be the max distance you'd travel in any one trip currently in the 2nd car?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,350 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    But it's a Peugeot !

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    rivegauche wrote: »
    The new Zoe will be a refreshed current Zoe, not based on the Clio Mk5. It is simply too tall and has too poor a drag co-efficient to get good out of town range.
    The renault and nissan new EV platform doesn't come until 2021/2022.
    The current Zoe doesn't handle well because it is too tall.

    Great info. Every day is a school day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,028 rivegauche


    I think it will be a Corsa EV for me in early 2021 because Opel generally offer better deals for company cars than all our other suppliers. I don't need space, just refinement and range.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭ Soarer


    BobMc wrote: »
    I like it, due to buy in '20 too, for a 2nd car be right up out street, might be time to buy electric too, only do about 6k per year in our 2nd car

    Why are you waiting until next year and looking to spend €25k on a second car to do 6k km per year?

    Buy a Leaf now and save yourself about €17k.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭ BobMc


    kceire wrote: »
    6k a year, you could be doing in a 2011 Leaf!
    What would be the max distance you'd travel in any one trip currently in the 2nd car?
    tis about 7k, each way 14/15k 5 days a week, mainly we do in car no.2

    2010 Clio just broke 65k


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭ Soarer


    BobMc wrote: »
    tis about 7k, each way 14/15k 5 days a week, mainly we do in car no.2

    2010 Clio just broke 65k

    Obviously it's your money, but €25k for that mileage is madness IMO.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,822 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    ted1 wrote: »
    About 90,000km before you recoup the difference between the ICE and EV on fuel costs alone which isn’t to bad

    Where did you get that from?

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭ 80sDiesel


    Soarer wrote: »
    Obviously it's your money, but €25k for that mileage is madness IMO.

    A starving man would think its madness paying for a bag of chips for what you could buy 2kg potatoes for.

    So its all relative.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    I wonder what the battery cooling situation is like.

    Re range - the WLTP is supposed to be a lot closer to real world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Old diesel wrote: »
    I wonder what the battery cooling situation is like.

    Re range - the WLTP is supposed to be a lot closer to real world.

    More info here

    https://pushevs.com/2019/02/25/peugeot-e-208-official-specs/

    Fluid cooled battery, mentions cabin cooling too, bit weird

    340km Wltp


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    unkel wrote: »
    Where did you get that from?

    I saw somewhere it’s 16k for a petrol version v 25k for Ev.

    Costs roughly 10 euro of fuel for 100km

    So 9k euro equates to 90,000 km.

    The charging costs are recouped because it’s really 10.50 euro per km.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    ted1 wrote: »
    I saw somewhere it’s 16k for a petrol version v 25k for Ev.

    Costs roughly 10 euro of fuel for 100km

    Looks about right

    Usually I would agree with comparison in favour of ICE

    In this case i think the EV is worth it for even average 20k km a year driver

    Fuel pay back is a few years and it's a much better car

    136bhp, nippy 8 secs to 60 vs that crappy 1.2 75bhp manual petrol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832




    You can borrow a diesel or petrol for long trips, hope they offer that here


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,822 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    ted1 wrote: »
    I saw somewhere it’s 16k for a petrol version v 25k for Ev.

    Costs roughly 10 euro of fuel for 100km

    So 9k euro equates to 90,000 km.

    Serious flaw in your logic there. The EV will keep its value far better relatively speaking. Lets say both are bought next year and sold 4 years after that

    EV still worth 17k, petrol worth 8k. Depreciation on EV 2k per year and on petrol also 2k per year

    In other words, the second you drive your brand new EV from the forecourt your payback has finished and you start saving money compared to petrol :D

    If you have to finance the car (i.e. PCP) and you pay hefty interest rates on it, it will take a little bit longer, maybe up to a year or two

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    unkel wrote: »
    Serious flaw in your logic there. The EV will keep its value far better relatively speaking. Lets say both are bought next year and sold 4 years after that

    EV still worth 17k, petrol worth 8k. Depreciation on EV 2k per year and on petrol also 2k per year

    In other words, the second you drive your brand new EV from the forecourt your payback has finished and you start saving money compared to petrol :D

    If you have to finance the car (i.e. PCP) and you pay hefty interest rates on it, it will take a little bit longer, maybe up to a year or two

    In 4 years there will be plenty more EV available, Depreciation may be more on the EV that you suspect. Also in your example they are both 8K do cost the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,529 ✭✭✭✭ Dont be at yourself


    Priced keenly enough, but very hard to get excited about it in terms of looks or specs. It'll be up against the Honda Urban -- looking forward to getting a closer look at that from the Geneva Motor Show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    The looks are bit odd due to "stretched over a large floorpan with tiny glasshouse on the top", pretty much opposite to the L40, and front looks massively long and tall due to crash protection, both collision and pedestrians, I guess. The interior looks really nice though and probably has good space at the back due to no battery under the floor at the footwell areas.

    The battery system looks very expensive to manufacture due to multiple modules spread around but otherwise this looks like winner. Performance both charging and acceleration seem more than enough for a smaller European car. If they can really sell this for 25k without subsidies (price probably does't include VAT) it will sell well. Should be about 20k+delivery then in Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,028 rivegauche


    https://d2t6ms4cjod3h9.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/additional_4-898x528.jpg

    looks complicated which adds to cost

    If Renault Zoe which is based on a generation older platform can hit 300km wltp with a 41kw battery they should be able to hit 330km with a 42kw battery in a lower lighter chassis.

    I'm still interested in it for my next car but I like smaller batteries. I have a huge choice of slower chargers and can even use slow chargers intended for PHEVs but the choice of higher speed chargers isn't great. A 41kw Zoe can charge fast enough for me not to complain. Charging a 50 or 60kw with a slower charger isn't something I would enjoy.

    I think this is confirmation to other manufacturers that racing to market with EVs on ICE chassis is not right strategy and dedicated chassis for EV is the right solution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭ Casati


    I think it looks great, the ev debate will of course continue to when we see actual pricing, and if the all important grants continue into the future. It’s unlikely grants are going anywhere for the next few years so looks like exciting times for new ev owners ahead

    If you had to pay just 9k to go from a manual 1.2 75 Bhp into an (auto) EV with over 200 mile range I can see a lot of folks finding that extra 9k


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,822 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    ted1 wrote: »
    In 4 years there will be plenty more EV available, Depreciation may be more on the EV that you suspect.

    Maybe. Maybe depreciation on ICE will be even more. Remember buying this car next year and keeping it for 4 years brings us to well into 2024. Just before the total ban on all new ICE cars in Norway and we'll only be a few years away from it here in Ireland :eek:

    No one will want an ICE car at that stage unless they're dirt cheap.
    ted1 wrote: »
    Also in your example they are both 8K do cost the same.

    Yes indeed. So if you didn't take out finance on the car, you will start saving money in the EV (compared to the much cheaper to buy ICE) the second you step inside it :)

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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