Peugeot 208e 50kWh

Mike9832

50kWh battery
100kW charging
Over 300km range
136bhp
0-60 8.1 secs
Tbc €25,000 or so

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-peugeot-208-revealed-petrol-diesel-and-ev-choices

Looks class

GTi model too with larger battery and more bhp


https://youtu.be/P8-q8l7zVHk

rivegauche

160,000 8 year warranty on battery.
looks slippery and low enough to actually get decent range out of Town.
No battery rental mentioned which is good.

Zoe becomes less desirable after this gets released.

I've taken delivery of a Zoe and it will do for two years by which time this or the Opel Corsa EV based on it will be available to me.
110ps Zoe is pokey enough and faster than 9 out of 10 cars in City driving but this should be impressively fast in all circumstances without qualification needed.

listermint

Why is the range so middling with that advertised battery size ?

Mickeroo

Will it actually be €25,000 before incentives?

ted1

About 90,000km before you recoup the difference between the ICE and EV on fuel costs alone which isn’t to bad

The new Zoe will be out soon, specs look almost identical. I reckon it will be another Clio vs. 205/206/207/208. Or maybe Monsieur/Madam would like a Citroen instead. The PSA and Renault will be competitors and you let your own preferences to decide which one you drive home. It's interesting anyway that only the French (this includes Opel) are planning supermini electric cars at the moment as that segment is very price conscious.

BorneTobyWilde

That black around the wheel arches makes it look like it's on stilts , like it's a mini monster truck

rivegauche

samih wrote: »

The new Zoe will be out soon, specs look almost identical. I reckon it will be another Clio vs. 205/206/207/208. Or maybe Monsieur/Madam would like a Citroen instead. The PSA and Renault will be competitors and you let your own preferences to decide which one you drive home. It's interesting anyway that only the French (this includes Opel) are planning supermini electric cars at the moment as that segment is very price conscious.

The new Zoe will be a refreshed current Zoe, not based on the Clio Mk5. It is simply too tall and has too poor a drag co-efficient to get good out of town range.
The renault and nissan new EV platform doesn't come until 2021/2022.
The current Zoe doesn't handle well because it is too tall.

BorneTobyWilde

Looks like a car sitting on rims with no tyres.

BobMc

I like it, due to buy in '20 too, for a 2nd car be right up out street, might be time to buy electric too, only do about 6k per year in our 2nd car

Gumbo

BobMc wrote: »

I like it, due to buy in '20 too, for a 2nd car be right up out street, might be time to buy electric too, only do about 6k per year in our 2nd car

6k a year, you could be doing in a 2011 Leaf!
What would be the max distance you'd travel in any one trip currently in the 2nd car?

But it's a Peugeot !

rivegauche

rivegauche wrote: »

The new Zoe will be a refreshed current Zoe, not based on the Clio Mk5. It is simply too tall and has too poor a drag co-efficient to get good out of town range.
The renault and nissan new EV platform doesn't come until 2021/2022.
The current Zoe doesn't handle well because it is too tall.

Great info. Every day is a school day.

rivegauche

I think it will be a Corsa EV for me in early 2021 because Opel generally offer better deals for company cars than all our other suppliers. I don't need space, just refinement and range.

Soarer

BobMc wrote: »

I like it, due to buy in '20 too, for a 2nd car be right up out street, might be time to buy electric too, only do about 6k per year in our 2nd car

Why are you waiting until next year and looking to spend €25k on a second car to do 6k km per year?

Buy a Leaf now and save yourself about €17k.

BobMc

kceire wrote: »

6k a year, you could be doing in a 2011 Leaf!
What would be the max distance you'd travel in any one trip currently in the 2nd car?

tis about 7k, each way 14/15k 5 days a week, mainly we do in car no.2

2010 Clio just broke 65k

Soarer

BobMc wrote: »

tis about 7k, each way 14/15k 5 days a week, mainly we do in car no.2

2010 Clio just broke 65k

Obviously it's your money, but €25k for that mileage is madness IMO.

unkel

ted1 wrote: »

About 90,000km before you recoup the difference between the ICE and EV on fuel costs alone which isn’t to bad

Where did you get that from?

80sDiesel

Soarer wrote: »

Obviously it's your money, but €25k for that mileage is madness IMO.

A starving man would think its madness paying for a bag of chips for what you could buy 2kg potatoes for.

So its all relative.

Old diesel

I wonder what the battery cooling situation is like.

Re range - the WLTP is supposed to be a lot closer to real world.

Mike9832

Old diesel wrote: »

I wonder what the battery cooling situation is like.

Re range - the WLTP is supposed to be a lot closer to real world.

More info here

https://pushevs.com/2019/02/25/peugeot-e-208-official-specs/

Fluid cooled battery, mentions cabin cooling too, bit weird

340km Wltp

ted1

unkel wrote: »

Where did you get that from?

I saw somewhere it’s 16k for a petrol version v 25k for Ev.

Costs roughly 10 euro of fuel for 100km

So 9k euro equates to 90,000 km.

The charging costs are recouped because it’s really 10.50 euro per km.

Mike9832

ted1 wrote: »

I saw somewhere it’s 16k for a petrol version v 25k for Ev.

Costs roughly 10 euro of fuel for 100km

Looks about right

Usually I would agree with comparison in favour of ICE

In this case i think the EV is worth it for even average 20k km a year driver

Fuel pay back is a few years and it's a much better car

136bhp, nippy 8 secs to 60 vs that crappy 1.2 75bhp manual petrol

Mike9832

You can borrow a diesel or petrol for long trips, hope they offer that here

unkel

ted1 wrote: »

I saw somewhere it’s 16k for a petrol version v 25k for Ev.

Costs roughly 10 euro of fuel for 100km

So 9k euro equates to 90,000 km.

Serious flaw in your logic there. The EV will keep its value far better relatively speaking. Lets say both are bought next year and sold 4 years after that

EV still worth 17k, petrol worth 8k. Depreciation on EV 2k per year and on petrol also 2k per year

In other words, the second you drive your brand new EV from the forecourt your payback has finished and you start saving money compared to petrol

If you have to finance the car (i.e. PCP) and you pay hefty interest rates on it, it will take a little bit longer, maybe up to a year or two

ted1

unkel wrote: »

Serious flaw in your logic there. The EV will keep its value far better relatively speaking. Lets say both are bought next year and sold 4 years after that

EV still worth 17k, petrol worth 8k. Depreciation on EV 2k per year and on petrol also 2k per year

In other words, the second you drive your brand new EV from the forecourt your payback has finished and you start saving money compared to petrol

If you have to finance the car (i.e. PCP) and you pay hefty interest rates on it, it will take a little bit longer, maybe up to a year or two

In 4 years there will be plenty more EV available, Depreciation may be more on the EV that you suspect. Also in your example they are both 8K do cost the same.

Dont be at yourself

Priced keenly enough, but very hard to get excited about it in terms of looks or specs. It'll be up against the Honda Urban -- looking forward to getting a closer look at that from the Geneva Motor Show.

The looks are bit odd due to "stretched over a large floorpan with tiny glasshouse on the top", pretty much opposite to the L40, and front looks massively long and tall due to crash protection, both collision and pedestrians, I guess. The interior looks really nice though and probably has good space at the back due to no battery under the floor at the footwell areas.

The battery system looks very expensive to manufacture due to multiple modules spread around but otherwise this looks like winner. Performance both charging and acceleration seem more than enough for a smaller European car. If they can really sell this for 25k without subsidies (price probably does't include VAT) it will sell well. Should be about 20k+delivery then in Ireland.

rivegauche

https://d2t6ms4cjod3h9.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/additional_4-898x528.jpg

looks complicated which adds to cost

If Renault Zoe which is based on a generation older platform can hit 300km wltp with a 41kw battery they should be able to hit 330km with a 42kw battery in a lower lighter chassis.

I'm still interested in it for my next car but I like smaller batteries. I have a huge choice of slower chargers and can even use slow chargers intended for PHEVs but the choice of higher speed chargers isn't great. A 41kw Zoe can charge fast enough for me not to complain. Charging a 50 or 60kw with a slower charger isn't something I would enjoy.

I think this is confirmation to other manufacturers that racing to market with EVs on ICE chassis is not right strategy and dedicated chassis for EV is the right solution.

Casati

I think it looks great, the ev debate will of course continue to when we see actual pricing, and if the all important grants continue into the future. It’s unlikely grants are going anywhere for the next few years so looks like exciting times for new ev owners ahead

If you had to pay just 9k to go from a manual 1.2 75 Bhp into an (auto) EV with over 200 mile range I can see a lot of folks finding that extra 9k

unkel

ted1 wrote: »

In 4 years there will be plenty more EV available, Depreciation may be more on the EV that you suspect.

Maybe. Maybe depreciation on ICE will be even more. Remember buying this car next year and keeping it for 4 years brings us to well into 2024. Just before the total ban on all new ICE cars in Norway and we'll only be a few years away from it here in Ireland :eek:

No one will want an ICE car at that stage unless they're dirt cheap.

ted1 wrote: »

Also in your example they are both 8K do cost the same.

Yes indeed. So if you didn't take out finance on the car, you will start saving money in the EV (compared to the much cheaper to buy ICE) the second you step inside it

Mike9832

samih wrote: »

The looks are bit odd due to "stretched over a large floorpan with tiny glasshouse on the top", pretty much opposite to the L40, and front looks massively long and tall due to crash protection, both collision and pedestrians, I guess. The interior looks really nice though and probably has good space at the back due to no battery under the floor at the footwell areas.

The battery system looks very expensive to manufacture due to multiple modules spread around but otherwise this looks like winner. Performance both charging and acceleration seem more than enough for a smaller European car. If they can really sell this for 25k without subsidies (price probably does't include VAT) it will sell well. Should be about 20k+delivery then in Ireland.

25k after subsidies is what's rumoured

Zoe price

Casati

Casati wrote: »

If you had to pay just 9k to go from a manual 1.2 75 Bhp into an (auto) EV with over 200 mile range I can see a lot of folks finding that extra 9k

In Ireland ? no chance, the amount of people who asked me wold the electric car run up the electric bill ? " oh my electric bill is expensive enough as it is dont want to add to it" yet the 30-40 a week on petrol or diesel goes unnoticed.

Old diesel

Deleted User wrote: »

In Ireland ? no chance, the amount of people who asked me wold the electric car run up the electric bill ? " oh my electric bill is expensive enough as it is dont want to add to it" yet the 30-40 a week on petrol or diesel goes unnoticed.

Also seen with the move to diesel/low tax after July 08.

"I dont like spending 700 euro on road tax - so I will spend 25 k on a new car to avoid 700 euros tax a year. Even though I should know that over 10 years based on 200 euro tax on new car - I only save 5 k - but spent 25 k to save it"

unkel

Old diesel wrote: »

Also seen with the move to diesel/low tax after July 08.

Indeed. I remember back in around 2012 the difference in second hand value between a 2007 520d and a 2008 520d was the guts of ten grand. Far more than the car depreciates in the first year when it was brand new! Just because the old one was on the super expensive old system of €710 per year to tax

zoom_cool

I think it looks great but at what price that will be the question

zoom_cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FpiRGhq4NA

peaceboi

zoom_cool wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FpiRGhq4NA

Looks cool

Ryath

Looks great for a supermini sized car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpSHiV7soo

rivegauche

Prices announced in France
https://pushevs.com/2019/03/12/peugeot-e-208-price-and-availability/
€31,000

Mickeroo

Does that mean 21,000 after grant/VRT rebate here?

Old diesel

Spec levels available here will heavily influence price if we only get the higher GT type specs

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Does that mean 21,000 after grant/VRT rebate here?

26k as there is no VRT in France (afaik, could be wrong).

Mickeroo

samih wrote: »

26k as there is no VRT in France (afaik, could be wrong).

That's still pretty good. You need scrappage to get Ioniq or Leaf 40 for that kind of money.

It's quite a bit smaller car than the two you mention. But seems totally up to date design from the tech point of view. The other two are kind of Pug "408” size, i.e. 1/1.5 sizes larger than 208.

peaceboi

Will it have different battery capacity variants?
Or only 60kwh?

Casati

France allows 6k ev subsidy so I presume that would be 37k in total?

Seems kind of expensive?

Mike9832

Casati wrote: »

France allows 6k ev subsidy so I presume that would be 37k in total?

Seems kind of expensive?

37k for a Peugeot 208

Mental

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

37k for a Peugeot 208

Mental

Not convinced. Has to be 31k - subsidies. Pug are targeting 12 pc 208 buyers opting for the EV and this has to competitive with the Zoe. Otherwise no point even making this small electric.

Agent_47

Some specs to be found here

Agent_47

First EV car in the UK last week link here