Peugeot 208e 50kWh

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

Not sure it has been mentioned yet

Yes it has. Will people look at that bloody clip I posted (post #194), Nyland has done all the hard work here showing exactly how the car charges and how that compares to some of the competition

unkel wrote: »

It starts throttling very quickly. You only get the 100kW for a very short while. Still it charges better than any other EV for that sort of money. Which is a bit pathetic (2C for just a very short while) in 2020 while cars like Ioniq could do close to 3C prolonged back in 2016

Here is a recent video from Nyland that shows the throttling (compared with other EVs in class). Starting at near 100kW but already down to just 76kW at just 20% SOC :rolleyes: it keeps that up for a while but then throttles further down to just 52kW at 48% SOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzkiAAOlyUs

ELM327

The recent 1000km challenge video he posted shows exactly how to take a long trip in the fastest way.

For me, I prefer longer stops less frequently.

Now charge a cold 208 battery and see what happens.

It used to take me around 50 mins to get from 20-85% in a 24 kWh leaf with a not so warm battery.

Pity the 208 is so slow. That’s really bad in this day and age especially since electrics run out at puff at higher speeds.

liamog

It maintains 125A up to 70%, it will probably be winter before we see how the cold affects it. The newer battery chemistries have sacrificed power density to reduce cost and increase energy density. I think it's one of the downsides of reducing the levels of Cobalt.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

Now charge a cold 208 battery and see what happens.

It used to take me around 50 mins to get from 20-85% in a 24 kWh leaf with a not so warm battery.

Pity the 208 is so slow. That’s really bad in this day and age especially since electrics run out at puff at higher speeds.

I remember those days too.
I did a ~90km motorway trip and arrived with 10% (so ideal for charging) but it took nearly 1 hour to reach the 88% I needed to the next one.

unkel

Half that time and good for double the distance in Ioniq

liamog

liamog wrote: »

I ran Karlsruhe to Brussels through abetterrouteplanner using the eNiro and an e208.
e-Niro took 2 stops (26+17) for 489km, the e208 3 stops and 504km.

You can make the e-Niro do it in one stop by charging for an hour at the Ionity just south of Niederzissen.

Look the car either works for you or it doesn't, but throwing hypothetical long journeys at it is forcing a use case that is not ideal.
You'll tend to find recommendations on whether an EV is suitable on this forum turn into: buy one if that type of journey is only a couple of times a year, but if it's closer to once a month then it's probably too early.

My max and probable spend will be approx. 47k retail including tax. Hopefully there will be an El Born FR or Highline ID3 that suits me at that price but the e208 is very attractive because in GT trim it is spec'd perfectly for me.

Miscreant

Deleted User wrote: »

My max and probable spend will be approx. 47k retail including tax. Hopefully there will be an El Born FR or Highline ID3 that suits me at that price but the e208 is very attractive because in GT trim it is spec'd perfectly for me.

Or, if 400km trips are regular enough, you could get a Tesla Model 3 for mid €40k in Germany.

Not available to me and won't be available so long as there is no maintenance outlet is the locality.

Do they plan a e208 with a bit of power ?

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

Do they plan a e208 with a bit of power ?

Supposedly though I'm not sure on the timelines

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/peugeot/peugeot-e-208-sport/

liamog

liamog wrote: »

Supposedly though I'm not sure on the timelines

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/peugeot/peugeot-e-208-sport/

That’s pretty meh.

unkel

Nobby on cars review posted today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14bG66V4zmo

Mark Hamill

I got a red one!



Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

unkel

Well wear! The red suits the sporty looks.

JPA

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I got a red one!



Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

Best of luck with it but that bolded part won't happen unless you mean your driving style will adapt.

Mark Hamill

JPA wrote: »

Best of luck with it but that bolded part won't happen unless you mean your driving style will adapt.

Yeah, at first I thought it did mean that the battery runs better as it settles in, but I do realise that it just means the range will become more accurate on the dash. My driving has changed a bit in the past week, so hopefully I can continue to drive it better and get as long a range as possible.

Mark Hamill

I can drive it in D gear which is just regular drive, or I can drive it in B gear which has regenerative braking, which helps recharge the battery. Is there a reason to not always drive in B gear? Is regenerative braking hard on the brakes or something?

Mickeroo

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Yeah, at first I thought it did mean that the battery runs better as it settles in, but I do realise that it just means the range will become more accurate on the dash. My driving has changed a bit in the past week, so hopefully I can continue to drive it better and get as long a range as possible.

Also be prepared for it to have less range come winter time.

slave1

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I can drive it in D gear which is just regular drive, or I can drive it in B gear which has regenerative braking, which helps recharge the battery. Is there a reason to not always drive in B gear? Is regenerative braking hard on the brakes or something?

Generalisation, but for me then B around town as never really get going and lots slowing/stopping for traffic, lights etc. On the open road then D as you do not want to be slowing the car down too much only to have to accelerate a few moments later

Mark Hamill

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I got a red one!

Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

Nice one well wear!

Don't be bothered about getting 2 days from a charge, enjoy driving it, don't be watching it all the time to see how much you can get out of it on your daily commute, commutes are boring enough and don't risk getting stuck if the weather turns bad leaving it 2 days, not worth it and you don't need to do that, just think what you're saving over the most frugal diesel.

When I got the 24 Kwh Leaf 5.5 Years ago I had 21 usable Kwh and needed to charge at a fast charger on the way home after each shift for about 10-20 mins, I won't get into the dirty details about the issues at the Naas charger but I would have given anything for the range you have now so enjoy!

The 24 Kwh leaf also charged God awful slow, 20-80 % could have taken 50 mins if the battery was cold and about 30 mins if it was around 21 deg C

Get energia, new account is the cheapest on the go now.

I had free work charging in the last Job and now it will cost me around 35 Euro's PM to get from Carlow to Grange Castle in Dublin and back or a little cheaper when I create a new energia account in the missus name, no big deal. I'd pay more than that in a diesel for a week.

Mark Hamill

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice one well wear!

Don't be bothered about getting 2 days from a charge, enjoy driving it, don't be watching it all the time to see how much you can get out of it on your daily commute, commutes are boring enough and don't risk getting stuck if the weather turns bad leaving it 2 days, not worth it and you don't need to do that, just think what you're saving over the most frugal diesel.

When I got the 24 Kwh Leaf 5.5 Years ago I had 21 usable Kwh and needed to charge at a fast charger on the way home after each shift for about 10-20 mins, I won't get into the dirty details about the issues at the Naas charger but I would have given anything for the range you have now so enjoy!

The 24 Kwh leaf also charged God awful slow, 20-80 % could have taken 50 mins if the battery was cold and about 30 mins if it was around 21 deg C

Get energia, new account is the cheapest on the go now.

I had free work charging in the last Job and now it will cost me around 35 Euro's PM to get from Carlow to Grange Castle in Dublin and back or a little cheaper when I create a new energia account in the missus name, no big deal. I'd pay more than that in a diesel for a week.

I'm not actually leaving 2 days between charges, I had just thought with motorway speeds I would get only 3 60km journeys on it.

I have ordered a night meter so I can charge it overnight, I worked it out that it will then cost me ~ €60 a month (if 5 days/week, 2x 60km journeys a day). It is a big saving from the €350-€400 I was spending monthly on petrol in the Honda Fit. I'm stuck with Electric Ireland until December (10c/kWh on night rate), but hopefully I'll get an even better rate when I change over then.

Celticfire

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I got a red one!



Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

Nice one.... I'm hoping to get mine next Monday or Tuesday... I went for the Grey.

Zenith74

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I can drive it in D gear which is just regular drive, or I can drive it in B gear which has regenerative braking, which helps recharge the battery. Is there a reason to not always drive in B gear? Is regenerative braking hard on the brakes or something?

Both D and B have regenerative braking, it’s just stronger in B. Also the regen braking is using the electric motor to slow you down, so it’s actually easier on the brakes than normal.

Mark Hamill

Celticfire wrote: »

Nice one.... I'm hoping to get mine next Monday or Tuesday... I went for the Grey.

I was going to get the grey but my wife said:
"Don't get the grey, your old car was grey, it will be like you didn't get a new car at all!" .

I really like the Blue e208 Colour.

Shefwedfan

SO whatg range is this car hgetting?

Mark Hamill

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SO whatg range is this car hgetting?

My work journey (Navan to Walkinstown, M3 and M50) uses ~ a quarter of the battery. So, at least in summer, it seems to have a range of ~ 240kms (a good bit of that is motorway at 120km/h).

Miscreant

Does the e208 come with a Granny lead for charging? I have seen a couple of videos where they say it does not but I wonder is this market dependent.

Mark Hamill

Miscreant wrote: »

Does the e208 come with a Granny lead for charging? I have seen a couple of videos where they say it does not but I wonder is this market dependent.

Mine only came with a granny lead for charging.

Slaanesh

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I got a red one!

Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

Congratulations on the motor, I think I saw you yesterday (I was walking the navan bypass beside the boyne.) I said "That's a 202 reg" to my wife whilst thinking that's a different looking Peugeot. I didn't think it was electric!

Sheep Shagger

1 week today since we got ours, an unplanned trip to Cork before the home charger was supposed to be installed today meant a first use of public chargers.

Is taking some to get used to but so far so good, our range wouldn't be the best example while we are in the 'getting used to' phase.

Ours is blue, love it.

stopped in to a peugeot dealer and they said the 11kw cable would cost around 600 quid. 11kw are available for under 200 quid so that price is a bit saucy not that I will be paying the price of it if I order an e208.

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

stopped in to a peugeot dealer and they said the 11kw cable would cost around 600 quid. 11kw are available for under 200 quid so that price is a bit saucy not that I will be paying the price of it if I order an e208.

Was that the 11kW cable, or the optional 11kW charger on the car?

the cable. the granny cable comes free. 11kw onboard charger is in the retail price of the car.

JPA

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Mine only came with a granny lead for charging.

That's disgraceful.

graememk

How are you meant to use the public charging when you don't even have a type 2 cable of any kind.

Be wary of a 11kw 3 phase cable too, they will only charge at 3.6kw on a single phase connection! And 600 euro to boot!

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

the cable. the granny cable comes free. 11kw onboard charger is in the retail price of the car.

The standard onboard charger is 7kW, there was on option to upgrade it to 11kW when I was pricing it up, if memory serves it was around €500.

Sheep Shagger

liamog wrote: »

The standard onboard charger is 7kW, there was on option to upgrade it to 11kW when I was pricing it up, if memory serves it was around €500.

Thought it was a bit ****ty a type 2 didn't come as standard, managed to get our dealer to come down to €400 on it.

Without naming the dealership we dealt with and it could be an isolated case, they didn't seem to know a lot about the e208 givem they are so new. Boards, Facebook and YouTube have been key research tools which isn't ideal when we are/were clueless about EVs.

Old diesel

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Thought it was a bit ****ty a type 2 didn't come as standard, managed to get our dealer to come down to €400 on it.

Without naming the dealership we dealt with and it could be an isolated case, they didn't seem to know a lot about the e208 givem they are so new. Boards, Facebook and YouTube have been key research tools which isn't ideal when we are/were clueless about EVs.

It's common for dealers to not be up to speed on EVs.

They are used to selling diesels and petrols and the EV market still isn't big.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

The standard onboard charger is 7kW, there was on option to upgrade it to 11kW when I was pricing it up,

Not where I am and it is one of the reasons why I'm more interested in the e208 than the corsa-e
...anyhow for either 7kw or 11kw there is no cable included.

gar

Ok just for clarity

Standard is 7kW on board charger but if you upgrade to 11kW and you have a 7kW point at home itll only charge at 3.6kW?
Or is it you will need a type 2 and a 3 phase cable at all times to maximise charging ability if you have the 11kW charger??

liamog

gar wrote: »

Ok just for clarity

Standard is 7kW on board charger but if you upgrade to 11kW and you have a 7kW point at home itll only charge at 3.6kW?
Or is it you will need a type 2 and a 3 phase cable at all times to maximise charging ability if you have the 11kW charger??

There is talk on speakev that the 11kW on board charger will only charge at 3.6kW on a 32A single phase charge point (what we normally have at home)

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

There is talk on speakev that the 11kW on board charger will only charge at 3.6kW on a 32A single phase charge point (what we normally have at home)

That's if you use a 16a 3 phase cable.
If you use a 32a cable it will charge at 7kW

Mark Hamill

JPA wrote: »

That's disgraceful.

Yep. It's not a massive issue for me, the vast majority of my charging will be at home, but I will need to source a cable just in case. I guess if Peugeot are charging €600 for it, then at least I will save money as I can see them for sub €200 (e.g here).

I need to figure out which on-board charger I have though (to see if I should get the 3-phase cable), as I didn't realise there was options and I was never offered anything when purchasing the car.

Mark Hamill

ELM327 wrote: »

That's if you use a 16a 3 phase cable.
If you use a 32a cable it will charge at 7kW

I have a tethered Zappi charger and it reads as charging the car with 7kW (7.2 or 7.4kW).

ELM327

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I have a tethered Zappi charger and it reads as charging the car with 7kW (7.2 or 7.4kW).

So you must have a 32a single phase cable to the Zappi

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

That's if you use a 16a 3 phase cable.
If you use a 32a cable it will charge at 7kW

Cool, was a while since I check in, there was some speculation that the onboard charger was capable of splitting the 32A current.

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

So you must have a 32a single phase cable to the Zappi

The Zappi is probably only 32A single phase too.

DrPhilG

So an 11kw onboard charging car like the Peugeot or the i3 will charge at 7.2kw on the Zappi 2?