Italy vs Ireland match thread, 24-2-2019.

Eoinbmw

caff wrote: »

Thought he had minor nerve damage and muscle wastage from last injury, still not back 100% so one arm is stronger than the other

One arm clearly has muscle atrophy ive been noticing it last few weeks looks like skin and bone!

ionadnapokot

dublinman1990 wrote: »

All the talk of Ireland having a BP win is now down the toilet with that 1st half effort. It's purely dreadful stuff so far.

I hope Joe gives his team a metaphorical arse kicking when they go out for the next part. Without it; it could be hell.

Conor O'Shea must be in glee with that first half performance in the Italy dressing room.

Ireland will still BP win this
But they are abysmal
Luckily they are playing a far more abysmal team

fitz

stephen_n wrote: »

You reckon?

I'd expect us to cut out the errors in the second half...do that and I still reckon we thump them.

There's really not much excuse for the lack of accuracy and intensity so far.

vienne86

Marengo wrote: »

Pride comes before a fall. As a nation we get carried away.

I think there's a bit more to it than that.

Burkie1203

Stone Gossard wrote: »

We need to build from the back..I'm sorry, but we have huge!! issues in the pack

Go back 12-18 months If every player was fit and in form around the world, Murray makes the world XV

He is nowhere near that. Like a totally different player these days.

His form is an issue. Not the only issue but it is an issue

Clegg

SoB looks very slow. He's not been aggressive enough. VdF needs on quickly.

Virgin panel is actively ignoring Murray's woeful performance.

Marengo

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not....

It is. We all go through periods when we have personal problems in life, it's no slight on Conor. As an avid sports fan for 40 years and sports coach I've seen time and time again if someone is for example stressed with exams, bereavement, break ups, financial problems in amateur sport their game can disintegrate.

its_phil

Murray and SOB are passengers in this side right now. We’re two and a half games in and playing rubbish. We can’t afford passengers trying to play themselves into form.

vienne86

I bet there'll be no changes at half time unless someone's injured.....Farrell perhaps? But I would like a change a SH fairly quickly. And I'd like to see Van der Flier come on for SOB.

fergus1001

pickarooney wrote:

I counted three penalty and one scrum offence by Italy in the build up to that try. Illegal pickup, push in the back, obstruction and a knock on.

just to balance this out Kearney obstructed an Italian player which caused them not to score a try so we are all even in my book

Staying within points difference of England now an afterthought, we need to win this game. We had so much dominance in that opening 20 minutes and we did little with it.

Murray needs to cop on and stop gesticulating at the breakdown and just get the ball away. Refs have been having none of it all tournament and it's costing us quick ball. Between that and our appalling lineout we've no platform.

We've no second pivot in midfield for the remainder, we're predictable at the breakdown and Italy are finding space out wide. We look quite French after a few phases and we urgently need to tighten it up and keep the ball with the forwards until we have the scoreboard ticking over.

I really hope there's a 'bigger picture' going on here with the world Cup just months away. We are a good step down from 2018 Ireland this tournament. I hope we're trying to learn something from this because if there's no excuse its a bit of a disaster.

Sangre

iReLaNd nEeD tO rOtAtE aGaInSt ItALy.

Buer

Eoinbmw wrote: »

caff wrote: »

Thought he had minor nerve damage and muscle wastage from last injury, still not back 100% so one arm is stronger than the other

One arm clearly has muscle atrophy ive been noticing it last few weeks looks like skin and bone!

He's back in full training for almost 4 months. This showing has nothing to do with him lacking power.

Even if he did lack power, it wouldn't account for the errors or the multiple rucks where the ball was there and he was behind the play. An on form Murray has the ball whipped away the moment it is presented.

Clegg

Stone Gossard wrote: »

Clegg wrote: »

Tbf he does need dropping.

I'm all for playing your best players back into form. But Murray's been actively fecking with our performance.

We need to build from the back..I'm sorry, but we have huge!! issues in the pack

I've said much the same. Big problems at the set piece and backrow is.making a lot of individual errors.

But that doesn't excuse what is a woeful Murray performance. He did well for our first try, change point of attack a number of times. But since then he's been awful.

Squidgy Black

vienne86 wrote: »

I bet there'll be no changes at half time unless someone's injured.....Farrell perhaps? But I would like a change a SH fairly quickly. And I'd like to see Van der Flier come on for SOB.

I'd be amazed if Joe subs Murray.

We still have such an over reliance on our first choice halfbacks, it's a massive concern.

Marengo

vienne86 wrote: »

I think there's a bit more to it than that.

It's a lot of it. Not staying grounded and continuing to do what made you a success in the first place.

Look at the defensive line speed? Lazy.

Burkie1203

its_phil wrote: »

Murray and SOB are passengers in this side right now. We’re two and a half games in and playing rubbish. We can’t afford passengers trying to play themselves into form.

2 4 5 6 7 8 9 are big problem area today

Earls and Farrell have been decent

The Lost Sheep

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Ireland will still BP win this
But they are abysmal
Luckily they are playing a far more abysmal team

Hopefully but Italians havent been that abysmal...

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ball too slow, Murray not up to pace....

We are just far too slow. Pull Murray and see how it goes

Murray has been poor but wouldnt pull him just yet. Look at some of the issues in front of him first. Sort set piece and give Murray and the rest of backs as a result something of a platform and then see if more needs to be said

Stone Gossard

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not....

Genuinely..what do you think

griffinlee

cronin throwing to two locks he has never played with, dillane his first start and roux his second start. it cant be all his fault......

id be bringing on flier and cooney to speed things up..

joseywhales

I still feel the bonus point win is coming, hendo needs to come on to help with the set piece. We went chasing tries too early.

Burkie1203

FFS Jonny

troyzer

Lol.

leakyboots

Think people are missing out the fact that Murray was standing at a ruck completely unprotected. Noone near it to protect the ball. He could have done better than being stripped but where were the rest of the forwards?

Dubinusa

Stockdale bit in for an intercept on the 1st try. Probably should have stayed out wide?
If Murray is atrophied in his left arm, why is he playing?
He's been awful. Each test and he's been pure snot.
Kearney not showing much today either.
SOB and POM not offering too much either.
Stockdale is our best player, imo.

yerrahbah

First mistake inside 2 seconds of the 2nd half

Stone Gossard

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Go back 12-18 months If every player was fit and in form around the world, Murray makes the world XV

He is nowhere near that. Like a totally different player these days.

His form is an issue. Not the only issue but it is an issue

Nothing to do with my post... ignore the reality as usual

ionadnapokot

Fcucking perfect restart
The exact fcucking thing not to do

leakyboots

leakyboots wrote: »

Think people are missing out the fact that Murray was standing at a ruck completely unprotected. Noone near it to protect the ball. He could have done better than being stripped but where were the rest of the forwards?

He could have done better than throw his hands up too, he makes a tackle and danger over at source.

leakyboots

Burkie1203 wrote: »

2 4 5 6 7 8 9 are big problem area today

Earls and Farrell have been decent

POM has had a good game too

Thrashssacre

Is this all us or would an Italian team playing like this beat a Scotland or France?

Buer

leakyboots wrote: »

Think people are missing out the fact that Murray was standing at a ruck completely unprotected. Noone near it to protect the ball. He could have done better than being stripped but where were the rest of the forwards?

Ah stop. It was terrible. He's going to encounter that situation a dozen times every match.

highgiant1985

Italy got a bit of luck not to get pinged for a foul that lead up to their second try but at the same time they've put their hearts in to their performance so far and we've been extremely poor so no complaints from me as we don't deserve to be ahead on the performance so far.

leakyboots

Ah Rob - didn't go forward, still should have caught it

Burkie1203

Stone Gossard wrote: »

Nothing to do with my post... ignore the reality as usual

The reality is we cannot ignore his poor form. It's one area among a few where we have issues

Clegg

leakyboots wrote: »

Burkie1203 wrote: »

2 4 5 6 7 8 9 are big problem area today

Earls and Farrell have been decent

POM has had a good game too

He hasn't.

That went backwards

PetKing

Kearney lost the ball, there was no knock on.

Buer

Kearney and Sexton completely rattled clearly with more basic errors. Something is very wrong at this point.

All extremely reminiscent of 2013.

joseywhales

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Is this all us or would an Italian team playing like this beat a Scotland or France?

This is definitely us, poor lineout and failing to execute a kick off and a 22 drop out.98% us and A little bit the ref letting things go too.

razorblunt

griffinlee wrote: »

cronin throwing to two locks he has never played with, dillane his first start and roux his second start. it cant be all his fault......

id be bringing on flier and cooney to speed things up..

He threw over their head twice by a good foot or five.

dublinman1990

We are not glued into winning this game at all if Sexton did that bad kick in the restart.

griffin100

if Wales hadnt won last night i’d be happy enough for CoS if Italia turned us over whilst still being pissed of. But this match means something now.

Dubinusa

Still think we'll win.
France will be fully aroused at the prospect of facing an Irish team in sixes and sevens.
Our discipline is poor and our error count is staggering for a J.S coached side.
Not good. Regardless of how the tournament plans out, we have been shown to be limited and when pressed we sometimes lose the script.

Burkie1203

leakyboots wrote: »

POM has had a good game too

Our backrow has been awful.

razorblunt

joseywhales wrote: »

This is definitely us, poor lineout and failing to execute a kick off and a 22 drop out.98% us and A little bit the ref letting things go too.

A bit harsh, Italy gave the Scots a rattle when they finally got decisions going their way. They were absolutely harshly dealt with in Murrayfield.

joseywhales

That went forward?!?!

Rows Grower

We need a hero to inspire.

Stone Gossard

Burkie1203 wrote: »

The reality is we cannot ignore his poor form. It's one area among a few where we have issues

If you are working behind a poor pack..no 10 is looking good I'm afraid

Into his own player