Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

yerrahbah

Do you throw Gallagher in at full back against Leinster?

I'd be more inclined to start Conway there, plenty of options to start on the wing in his place

The Lost Sheep

Scottmactom wrote: »

we get it, you are a ref.

wow thats petty.

yerrahbah wrote: »

Do you throw Gallagher in at full back against Leinster?

I'd be more inclined to start Conway there, plenty of options to start on the wing in his place

I would start Gallagher. He's signed to start bigger games as full back so why not?

thomond2006

38 senior players are currently training along with 7 academy players. The focus will probably to get as much minutes as possible into the top 23-25 players to have them match fit for the playoffs.

Kilcoyne, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Snyman, JOD, POM, Stander;
Murray, JJH, Earls, DDA, Farrell, Conway, Gallagher

Marshall, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Cloete, Healy, Scannell

Injured: Salanoa, Beirne, Carbery, Goggin, Haley

yerrahbah

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

wow thats petty.

I would start Gallagher. He's signed to start bigger games as full back so why not?

I guess my reasoning would be hes only here a few weeks, you're going up against one of the best teams in Europe and fullback is a position where you would need to be in constant communication with your wingers.

Id have no problem with Gallagher starting, was only thinking out loud.

I think the battle between himself and Haley this season will be interesting

Kilcoyne, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Snyman, JOD, POM, Stander;
Murray, JJH, Earls, DDA, Farrell, Conway, Gallagher

Marshall, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Cloete, Healy, Scannell

You're missing a sub scrum half (I'd pick Casey)

Personally I'd have O'Byrne ahead of Marshall and Daly ahead of R.Scannell

aloooof

Pretty much exactly the team I'd go for as well, with TOD ahead of Cloete. Sweetnam in with a shout of the 23 jersey as well.

Tomtom364

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kilcoyne, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Snyman, JOD, POM, Stander;
Murray, JJH, Earls, DDA, Farrell, Conway, Gallagher

Marshall, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Cloete, Healy, Scannell

Injured: Salanoa, Beirne, Carbery, Goggin, Haley

My take:

Kilcoyne
Scannell
Ryan
Kleyn
Snyman
Cloete - With the change in interpretation of the breakdown Cloete could be a turnover machine again
POM
Stander

Murray
JJH
Earls
DDA
Farrell
Conway
Gallagher

O'Brien - Form at the start of last season deserves it
Loughman
Knox - Alot of good things being said about him, I can see Johan backing youth more this season with the expanded gameplan
Wycherley - I could see Holland getting this spot and as much as I love the man and appriciate the value of experience on the bench, Id be disapointed if Johan isnt looking to move Wycherley forward sooner.
JOD - Straight swap for Colete
Casey
Scannell - Covering 10 & Centre
Daly - Scannell provides flexibility to have a back 3 player here - Sweetnam could be a shout here too.

thomond2006

You might be right on Scannell providing bench cover to JJ, however with all three academy 10s training with the seniors I imagine opportunities will be given to one of them.

Flyhalf aside due to injury, I'd be surprised if there's many opportunities given to youngsters before 2020/21. JvG will be under pressure to deliver with the best squad Munster has on paper for a long time and winning the Pro14 would be a boost.

aloooof

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1293910127578189826

phog

aloooof wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1293910127578189826

Not great news for MR squad

thomond2006

phog wrote: »

Not great news for MR squad

Hopefully the player in question is ok as it mentioned he developed symptoms. They've identified the potential close contacts who are now away from the squad and will get tested as soon as possible.

bennyl10

"The player involved has not been in the High Performance Centre this week and the HSE have confirmed that the training group are not considered as close contacts."

lawrencesummers

This must cast a question mark over next weeks fixture going ahead unfortunately. Unless the source of the infection can be found and the entire first team and staff tested and passed it’s hard to see how the opposition are going to be comfortable playing them.

Cookiemunster

lawrencesummers wrote: »

This must cast a question mark over next weeks fixture going ahead unfortunately. Unless the source of the infection can be found and the entire first team and staff tested and passed it’s hard to see how the opposition are going to be comfortable playing them.

Try reading the article. The whole squad is due to be tested next Monday anyway and the squad aren't considered to be close contacts.

bennyl10

lawrencesummers wrote: »

This must cast a question mark over next weeks fixture going ahead unfortunately. Unless the source of the infection can be found and the entire first team and staff tested and passed it’s hard to see how the opposition are going to be comfortable playing them.

none of the training group are close contacts, shouldn't be any worry for the game

lawrencesummers

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Try reading the article. The whole squad is due to be tested next Monday anyway and the squad aren't considered to be close contacts.

I read the article and it doesn’t look good, for me it raises more questions than answers.
What has the player done wrong to contract the infection since last being tested?
He has been in contact with a member of the senior squad, who has that player been in contact with?
They don’t know the source of the infection.
Is it possible that a player could be incubating the virus past the next test and be a source of infection by gametime next week?
Testing has limitations around incubation, turnaround times and accuracy.

I think as things stand next weeks game shouldn’t go ahead without more information and answers to some important questions.

lawrencesummers

bennyl10 wrote: »

none of the training group are close contacts, shouldn't be any worry for the game

The operative word doesn’t breed confidence.

yerrahbah

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What has the player done wrong to contract the infection since last being tested?
.

scrubs33

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2020/0813/1159013-munster-academy-player-covid-19/

I think this is an update? Mentions a senior player.

rayd3

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I think as things stand next weeks game shouldn’t go ahead without more information and answers to some important questions.

More information like test results for the entire squad which there will be next week. Clueless.

bennyl10

scrubs33 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2020/0813/1159013-munster-academy-player-covid-19/

I think this is an update? Mentions a senior player.

A senior player who is not in the training group

So presumably a player not in the pro14 squad nor one intended to take any Part in the upcoming games

aloooof

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What has the player done wrong to contract the infection since last being tested?

Seems bewildering to have to point this out after the last 6 months, but you could do everything right and still contract the virus. Players aren't exempt from that.

lawrencesummers

aloooof wrote: »

Seems bewildering to have to point this out after the last 6 months, but you could do everything right and still contract the virus. Players aren't exempt from that.

Not really, the likely hood is that you have done something wrong Against the advice that is given to contract the Virus, the precautions are typically enough to ensure you don’t get infected, anyone getting the virus at this stage is doing something wrong be it in their work or private life.

Presumably the player isn’t moonlighting in a meat factory or as a nurse.

Cookiemunster

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Not really, the likely hood is that you have done something wrong Against the advice that is given to contract the Virus, the precautions are typically enough to ensure you don’t get infected, anyone getting the virus at this stage is doing something wrong be it in their work or private life.

Presumably the player isn’t moonlighting in a meat factory or as a nurse.

I'm sorry, but that's complete and utter horsesh1t. Even if you stay two meters from everyone else, constantly wash your hands and wear a mask you can still contract the virus. Those protections reduce the risk, they don't nullify it.

yerrahbah

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Not really, the likely hood is that you have done something wrong Against the advice that is given to contract the Virus, the precautions are typically enough to ensure you don’t get infected, anyone getting the virus at this stage is doing something wrong be it in their work or private life.

Presumably the player isn’t moonlighting in a meat factory or as a nurse.

Ah sthop

Cookiemunster

bennyl10 wrote: »

A senior player who is not in the training group

So presumably a player not in the pro14 squad nor one intended to take any Part in the upcoming games

Sound to me like someone living with the infected player, so one of the younger players recently promoted to a senior contract.

lawrencesummers

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's complete and utter horsesh1t. Even if you stay two meters from everyone else, constantly wash your hands and wear a mask you can still contract the virus. Those protections reduce the risk, they don't nullify it.

No, the days of just getting infected randomly are long gone because of the measures that are in place, the most likely scenario for somebody getting infected now are that they haven’t followed the correct protocols unfortunately.

The biggest question then remains where they contracted the infection, followed by when.

Cookiemunster

Clueless.

thomond2006

Speculating how someone got Covid isn't really worth anyone's time.

Burkie1203

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What has the player done wrong to contract the infection since last being tested?

What if he lives with his family and a family member is working in healthcare setting, or community transmission at a supermarket.

Not every case is about ppl doing something wrong. You can do everything right but still pick it up. You can mitigate against contracting the virus but that doesn't eliminate all risk.


If the player was on the lash or at a house party with 50 others then thats bad form but there is no suggestion that is the case here given the small number of contacts in question.

lawrencesummers

Burkie1203 wrote: »

What if he lives with his family and a family member is working in healthcare setting, or community transmission at a supermarket.

Not every case is about ppl doing something wrong. You can do everything right but still pick it up. You can mitigate against contracting the virus but that doesn't eliminate all risk.


If the player was on the lash or at a house party with 50 others then thats bad form but there is no suggestion that is the case here given the small number of contacts in question.

And that’s why I’m advocating for establishing if it is either of those scenarios or many others. As for your opinion that not every case is about people doing something wrong your are correct, but we are aware that the Vast Vast majority of cases now are down to people doing something wrong, be it employers not following the guidelines, or people being in places they shouldn’t.

Some posters here are happy to put it down to “one of those things” and that’s completely the wrong approach, for this to be put to bed properly and not have questions hanging over it a plausible source needs to be found.