Turn down two houses and you're off the list

corner of hells

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I think paying a mortgage for 35 years is worse than a few years in a warm bed hot shower without any rent if you can get a free house at the end of it

Where do you get this warm bed , hot shower and rent free place ?

Hi EOTR,

What do you think of the idea of having to downsize as a tenants need change?

Sweet.Science

corner of hells wrote: »

Where do you get this warm bed , hot shower and rent free place ?

Hotel B&B. It would cost the working person €80 a night to live there . And you get it for free. Be grateful we living in such a caring country for the vulnerable

Deebles McBeebles

Turn down for what?

Ush1

Lackey wrote: »

By the time tennant can buy the house they will have paid a lot of rent, this rent plus the ‘reduced’ price of the house will usually cover the market value.

I know of cases, between previous rent paid plus price of house ment the tennant paid more than market value.

To buy you have to be working. If working the rent will not be as cheap as people think.

Not aimed at you specifically : but people can’t give out about people not bettering their lot themselves, then give out when they do.

I'm not talking about covering the cost of the house. Lord knows it wouldn't make a dent in the amount of overall unpaid rent anyway.

Try telling a private landlord you'd paid them lots of rent so can you buy the house at a discount. I think subsidised rent based on your income is the fairest way. Isn't the idea is that it's what you can afford? That's how you get on the list in the first place.

I've no problem with people bettering themselves, but when you do better yourself (ie. can afford to buy a house or your income far exceeds the rent caps) then the subsiding should end.

Not aimed at you but I think only in Ireland would arguing for social housing for the most needy be called "begrudgery".

corner of hells

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Hotel B&B. It would cost the working person €80 a night to live there . And you get it for free. Be grateful we living in such a caring country for the vulnerable

So how do I access this accommodation ?

Sweet.Science

corner of hells wrote: »

So how do I access this accommodation ?

You're asking the wrong person . I have a mortgage for my own house .

Graces7

Sorry i dont know your situation but the cheek of some people giving out about the time it takes the council to renovate their whole house for free.

Working people who buy their own house can work for 40 years and never have the money to do it.
Sweet.Science "

These two situations are poles apart. What is being criticised is that council houses are lying empty for month after month when folk are in emergency accommodation through no fault of their own// And it is the council 's job as landlord to make a house safe and habitable, after the way some tenants leave the properties

Not renovation; simply basic safety repairs and painting.

These are rented houses not owned by the tenants .
Many of us would far rather live in our own house in a poor state then in a rental.
and as others have said, many council tenants are in work

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Homelessness is an industry. The so called charities are worried for their jobs.

There are a significant number of people paid six figure salaries working for homeless charities. Why there needs to be so many of them baffles me. Could they not merge and save all the back-office and CEO costs?

Sweet.Science

Graces7 wrote: »

Sorry i dont know your situation but the cheek of some people giving out about the time it takes the council to renovate their whole house for free.

Working people who buy their own house can work for 40 years and never have the money to do it.
Sweet.Science "

These two situations are poles apart. What is being criticised is that council houses are lying empty for month after month when folk are in emergency accommodation through no fault of their own// And it is the council 's job as landlord to make a house safe and habitable, after the way some tenants leave the properties

Not renovation; simply basic safety repairs and painting.

These are rented houses not owned by the tenants .
Many of us would far rather live in our own house in a poor state then in a rental.
and as others have said, many council tenants are in work

Of course its no fault of their own

The big bad councils purposely leaving houses lying idle.

Jesus wept.

Boggles

blanch152 wrote: »

There are a significant number of people paid six figure salaries working for homeless charities.

Who are they and which ones?

Boom_Bap

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Were you refused a social house?

No.

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I think paying a mortgage for 35 years is worse than a few years in a warm bed hot shower without any rent if you can get a free house at the end of it

OK, think about living in a hotel room with your mother, father and siblings for a few years. All in the same room. Having to be in every night by a certain time. Having to try get dressed in the same hotel room while your family is there as well. Not being able to wash your clothes unless it's a specific day, being given isolated areas in the hotel where you can socialise but only at certain times. Not being able to cook a meal, never having a friend visit you.

Think about this for a period longer than 1 week...a few years is how you put it.

Sweet.Science

Boom_Bap wrote: »

No.






OK, think about living in a hotel room with your mother, father and siblings for a few years. All in the same room. Having to be in every night by a certain time. Having to try get dressed in the same hotel room while your family is there as well. Not being able to wash your clothes unless it's a specific day, being given isolated areas in the hotel where you can socialise but only at certain times. Not being able to cook a meal, never having a friend visit you.

Think about this for a period longer than 1 week...a few years is how you put it.

Could be an awful lot worse .

corner of hells

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Could be an awful lot worse .

How could it be worse ?

Church on Tuesday

Dead right.

I once know this one in her 50's who complained, after viewing said accommodation mind, that the property was "overlooked"... by single story houses. It was a brand new retirement complex, all mod cons, had been in a council house before this and this was supplied by a scheme too.

Think she and her husband left after a few months. Incredible people.

Boom_Bap

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Could be an awful lot worse .

I don't disagree.....but it's not a pleasant situation and not as simple as a roof and hot shower. It's not something the majority of people would do for a free house.


There are people that are willingly putting themselves there to abuse the system, but there are plenty of genuine cases what are enduing this and hoping to come out the other end with something they can call a home and not having to live in fear of the area they have been placed in.

Sweet.Science

corner of hells wrote: »

How could it be worse ?

Not sure if you are serious ?

corner of hells

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Not sure if you are serious ?

I am serious , I work in homeless services .

Lackey

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm not talking about covering the cost of the house. Lord knows it wouldn't make a dent in the amount of overall unpaid rent anyway.

Try telling a private landlord you'd paid them lots of rent so can you buy the house at a discount. I think subsidised rent based on your income is the fairest way. Isn't the idea is that it's what you can afford? That's how you get on the list in the first place.

I've no problem with people bettering themselves, but when you do better yourself (ie. can afford to buy a house or your income far exceeds the rent caps) then the subsiding should end.

Not aimed at you but I think only in Ireland would arguing for social housing for the most needy be called "begrudgery".

Not sure what you mean by unpaid rent, sorry.
A tenant can’t buy their house if they are in rent arrears, and I don’t think that tenant should be responsible for others not paying their rent.
Apologies if I’m missing your point.

Just because they can afford to buy their council house doesn’t mean they can afford to buy a house privately, and at least the contribution of rent plus reduced cost covers the cost of the tax payer (which the tennant is aswell)

I am against the ‘entitled’ culture as the next person here, and think people taking the piss and being antisocial are serious problems

All this talk from high up leads everyone to look down on the people ‘below’ them ...it’s a great idea really pitting everyone against each other then no one is looking up the ladder at the people making the rules.

end of the road

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Hi EOTR,

What do you think of the idea of having to downsize as a tenants need change?

that would either be up to them, or if the council want them to downsize, a smaller place must be availible within that area, at least if they have been there for a long time as they will have built up a support network

Sweet.Science

corner of hells wrote: »

I am serious , I work in homeless services .

And you feel there isnt anything that can be worse for people than living in a hotel or a b&b.

c.p.w.g.w

Boggles wrote: »

Really?

Let's say the house is sandwiched in between some 'choice' neighbors, you'd jump at it?

Would I fook!

Well then get a job and start saving, so you can buy a house somewhere nicer

corner of hells

Sweet.Science wrote: »

And you feel there isnt anything that can be worse for people than living in a hotel or a b&b.

Rough sleeping , ONO hostels , squats .

Pretty stark options .

Deebles McBeebles

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I don't disagree.....but it's not a pleasant situation and not as simple as a roof and hot shower. It's not something the majority of people would do for a free house.


There are people that are willingly putting themselves there to abuse the system, but there are plenty of genuine cases what are enduing this and hoping to come out the other end with something they can call a home and not having to live in fear of the area they have been placed in.

I can see why people do it. Not talking about those in genuine need but the people who take the p*ss. I've been renting for 10ish years now, paying a small fortune for varying levels of rental accommodation while trying to save for my own place, something that is becoming increasingly difficult. I could have saved an awful lot of rent money for a few years of what is admittedly not a lifestyle I would like to have but could endure for that pot of gold at the end. It seems less cruel than paying double someone's mortgage for years on end, its not like they hand you a house at the end of it either.

twowheelsonly

Boggles wrote: »

Who are they and which ones?

Not sure how much individuals are being paid but Homeless Charities are big business nowadays.

Approximately €100m a year in grants to those same charities. Add in what's being spent on HAP ( 300m for 2018) and on temporary accommodation in hotels & B&Bs (€103m projected for 2017) and you're into mental sums of money. That's mad. Councils / Local Govt could build a lot of houses with that. Unfortunately it's big business is cashing in on this lack of housing - Landlords, builders, vulture funds etc so there appears to be no interest in Government in solving the situation.

At this stage it's been allowed to slide so far that it's going to take a massive once off cash injection and a huge Council / Local Govt building programme to even get close to catching up.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dozens-irish-homeless-charities-blasted-11432737

Sweet.Science

corner of hells wrote: »

Rough sleeping , ONO hostels , squats .

Pretty stark options .

Exactly. There is always a reason to be grateful

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

that would either be up to them, or if the council want them to downsize, a smaller place must be availible within that area, at least if they have been there for a long time as they will have built up a support network

I’d agree with you about location but I don’t agree that tenant should have the choice. At one stage they could have been that family that were waiting years for a suitable home for their needs. But if they choose to sit tight on their lonesome in a large house, they are doing to others what was done to them.

Boggles

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well then get a job and start saving, so you can buy a house somewhere nicer

Have you mentioned this revelation to anyone?

:rolleyes:

James Brown

blue note wrote: »

Sounds good, but I'd worry it will be abused. They might offer people completely unsuitable accommodation and now they'll have to take it.

I doubt it. Their place on the list relates to their need, number of bedrooms etc. They get to choose three areas they prefer too. So refusals would be some other reason, don't like the neighbourhood etc.

Sweet.Science

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well then get a job and start saving, so you can buy a house somewhere nicer

It really is crazy. Picking and choosing a house you get for free . No 30k deposit required. No monthly repayments of over a grand . No Property Tax. Fuel allowance . Medical card

And they still arent happy