Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

Ulysses Gaze

Love the reaction of some of the posters here.

I can bet if it were some FF, Sinn Fein or Solidarity/PBP blowhard like Paul Murphy or Coppinger getting picketed they'd be screaming outrage from the rooftops.

gmisk

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's not my problem.

Typical Irish 'ah shur God luv him' responses here.

Its not your problem? very helpful.
I definitely think it isnt on at all, so yeah I am the typical Irish response apparently.
I can separate the personal from professional.

You didnt answer my question would you be happy about a protest at your front door due to your work performance?


I could say homelessness sure its not my problem, I have a home, but hey.

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who died because of this government?

Between 2008 and 2012, there were 500 extra deaths from suicide than would have been expected based on pre-recession trends. That's just one obvious example.

Obviously, when health resources are badly managed (say, on a 2 billion euro metaphorical hole in the ground), those resources are taken away from other healthcare expenditure, such as providing necessary treatment and staff numbers, and of course people die unnecessarily, or prematurely. That's the nature of a badly prioritised, badly managed health budget.

GAA Beo

lawred2 wrote: »

another barstool saviour

Another Fine Gael stooge, you lads are really worth a laugh. I'm sure Harris and his friends laughs at the gullible morons he has cheerleading his every move. But then what would expect from thickos that vote because it's their grandfathers party....:rolleyes:

GAA Beo

meeeeh wrote: »

Just about anyone condemned this except possibly Paul Murphy. Don't blame Harris for using protesting morons to strengthen his position. Anybody would and the sad part it the protesters were to dumb to realise that kind of thuggery will backfire.

It's all very convenient and timely, reported by Fine Gael blogger in chief at the Indo Kevin Doyle.

Fiftyfilthy

Billcarson wrote: »

Pinned like rats in a hole. Wonder were harris and his wife running about inside their house trying to put up barricades etc. Checking their supplies. Checking their weapons and ammo. Waiting for the massive mob outside their house to rush the house at anytime.

Won’t anyone think of the poor baby!!!


I’m sure it was traumatized

whisky_galore

gmisk wrote: »

Its not your problem? very helpful.
I definitely think it isnt on at all, so yeah I am the typical Irish response apparently.
I can separate the personal from professional.

You didnt answer my question would you be happy about a protest at your front door due to your work performance?


I could say homelessness sure its not my problem, I have a home, but hey.

I'm not interested enough to answer your question about a hypothetical situation that will never happen.

I don't care, deal with it.

meeeeh

GAA Beo wrote: »

It's all very convenient and timely, reported by Fine Gael blogger in chief at the Indo Kevin Doyle.

Should it be ignored? It's newsworthy.

Wheeliebin30

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Between 2008 and 2012, there were 500 extra deaths from suicide than would have been expected based on pre-recession trends. That's just one obvious example.

Obviously, when health resources are badly managed (say, on a 2 billion euro metaphorical hole in the ground), those resources are taken away from other healthcare expenditure, such as providing necessary treatment and staff numbers, and of course people die unnecessarily, or prematurely. That's the nature of a badly prioritised, badly managed health budget.

Ah here do you know that all those people killed themselves because of the government?

By the way FG were voted in in 2011.

Do you actually believe the ****e your typing here?

gmisk

GAA Beo wrote: »

It's all very convenient and timely, reported by Fine Gael blogger in chief at the Indo Kevin Doyle.

https://www.facebook.com/FINGALBATTALION
Do you think Simon was behind it?
Did he hypnotise these people to protest outside his house? :rolleyes:

GAA Beo

Billcarson wrote: »

Pinned like rats in a hole. Wonder were harris and his wife running about inside their house trying to put up barricades etc. Checking their supplies. Checking their weapons and ammo. Waiting for the massive mob outside their house to rush the house at anytime.

Indeed poor Simon how would he survive a bunch of aul wans on the street outside! Oh no he may actually have to mix with the peasant class! Quick bring Gardai armed support in and shoot them ( some Fine Gael stooge suggested this earlier)

How on earth could this happen in leafy Greystones?? Not that far worse happens everywhere else on a daily basis and no one in Fine Gael gives a fiddlers.

gmisk

whisky_galore wrote: »

I'm not interested enough to answer your question about a hypothetical situation that will never happen.

I don't care, deal with it.

Fine, I will cope....


But these people have done Simon Harris (who BTW i do not like at all) a massive favour the bunch of eejits that they are, they have also really distracted from the nurses strikes and IMO harmed their cause.

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Ah here do you know that all those people killed themselves because of the government?

By the way FG were voted in in 2011.

Do you actually believe the ****e your typing here?

I can't account for all of them, obviously, but yeah, there was a dramatic spike in suicides when the recession hit, I find it laughable that someone would argue it was just a coincidence.

Of course Government policy had a detrimental effect on many of these people's lives. That rate was 57% higher in males at the end of 2012 (by which time the FG led Government had been in power for almost two years) than it was pre-recession. By then there had been 5000 more incidences if self harm than would have been expected, based on pre-2008 trends.

Furthermore, it is almost univrrsaly acknowledged that austerity has a negative impact on health outcomes, and I've never seen anyone - even FG fanboys - go so far as to reject that, although they may try to be dismissive about it.

animaal

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's not my problem.

Typical Irish 'ah shur God luv him' responses here.

"It's not my problem". Luckily, very few in this country have an attitude like that. Even the more extreme parties have criticised the picketing of his home.

I suppose a just society has to carry those people with such a frame of mind, and be glad it's confined to a more primative minority.

Annasopra

GAA Beo wrote: »

Another Fine Gael stooge, you lads are really worth a laugh. I'm sure Harris and his friends laughs at the gullible morons he has cheerleading his every move. But then what would expect from thickos that vote because it's their grandfathers party....:rolleyes:

This is bonkers stuff. Loads of people who are not FG supporters think its wrong. You need to take off the tinfoil hat.

meeeeh

GAA Beo wrote: »

Indeed poor Simon how would he survive a bunch of aul wans on the street outside! Oh no he may actually have to mix with the peasant class! Quick bring Gardai armed support in and shoot them ( some Fine Gael stooge suggested this earlier)

How on earth could this happen in leafy Greystones?? Not that far worse happens everywhere else on a daily basis and no one in Fine Gael gives a fiddlers.

Far worse doesn't happen everywhere else. Most of us expect to enjoy our homes without nonsense like this or without any other antisocial behavior.

Wheeliebin30

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I can't account for all of them, obviously, but yeah, there was a dramatic spike in suicides when the recession hit, I find it laughable that someone would argue it was just a coincidence.

Of course Government policy had a detrimental effect on many of these people's lives. That rate was 57% higher in males at the end of 2012 (by which time the FG led Government had been in power for almost two years) than it was pre-recession. By then there had been 5000 more incidences if self harm than would have been expected, based on pre-2008 trends.

Furthermore, it is almost univrrsaly acknowledged that austerity has a negative impact on health outcomes, and I've never seen anyone - even FG fanboys - go so far as to reject that, although they may try to be dismissive about it.

I accept the recession happened

Once again who was in power when it happens and what caused it?

blanch152

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Between 2008 and 2012, there were 500 extra deaths from suicide than would have been expected based on pre-recession trends. That's just one obvious example.

Obviously, when health resources are badly managed (say, on a 2 billion euro metaphorical hole in the ground), those resources are taken away from other healthcare expenditure, such as providing necessary treatment and staff numbers, and of course people die unnecessarily, or prematurely. That's the nature of a badly prioritised, badly managed health budget.

As FG only got into power in 2011, you can hardly blame those deaths on them.

More than a little revisionism going on.

gmisk

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I accept the recession happened

Once again who was in power when it happens and what caused it?

FF were in power when the recession hit in 2008.....Not FG.

GAA Beo

meeeeh wrote: »

Far worse doesn't happen everywhere else. Most of us expect to enjoy our homes without nonsense like this or without any other antisocial behavior.

Freedom to protest is an important right in our democracy. That is the job when you sign up as a politician. We have Fine Gaelers in this thread suggesting peaceful protestors should be shot dead. Absolutely disgusting considering Bloody Sunday and our history. But I'd expect nothing better than from the anti Irish filth associated with that party. Michael Collins would be turning in his grave to be associated with these people.

Ulysses Gaze

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Between 2008 and 2012, there were 500 extra deaths from suicide than would have been expected based on pre-recession trends. That's just one obvious example.

Obviously, when health resources are badly managed (say, on a 2 billion euro metaphorical hole in the ground), those resources are taken away from other healthcare expenditure, such as providing necessary treatment and staff numbers, and of course people die unnecessarily, or prematurely. That's the nature of a badly prioritised, badly managed health budget.

Well I hope you took swings at any FF or Green politicians that crossed your path because those timeframes cross paths with their cataclysmic ****ups.

GAA Beo

gmisk wrote: »

FF were in power when the recession hit in 2008.....Not FG.

Fine Gael cheerlead every move Fianna Fail made. In fact Fine Gael attacked FF for not pissing away more money. Fine Gael were not innocent in that in any way. They would have done even worse.

dav3

Simon Harris is a bit of an easy target. He comes across as someone completely out of his depth and someone with a very nervous disposition. I think it wouldn't take much to convince himself that he and his family could die from a few people standing outside his house.

gmisk

GAA Beo wrote: »

Fine Gael cheerlead every move Fianna Fail made. In fact Fine Gael attacked FF for not pissing away more money. Fine Gael were not innocent in that in any way. They would have done even worse.

The poster asked



I accept the recession happened

Once again who was in power when it happens and what caused it?


I simply answered the question.....FF were in power FG were not in 2008.

blanch152

GAA Beo wrote: »

Great way for Harris to play the woe is me and victim card now. Doubt this protest was up to much but I have no sympathy for the man. Of course the Fine Gael trolls and cheerleaders are everywhere with their faux outrage. Yet no outrage about the nurses pay, homeless, housing or the corruption and scandal about the childrens hospital.

People are dying because of this governement, but we should be outraged about some nonsense like this. **** Fine Gael, **** their pen pals in the Indo and **** Harris the weasel faced bastard.

Nobody is dying because of this government, that is typical overblown horse manure.

People are dying because the best paid nurses in Europe want more money, yet you are not on their back. We have more nurses per hospital bed and per head of population than most countries, so the problem isn't the government.

Levels of homelessness in Ireland are not out of line with the rest of Europe, but we spend hundreds of millions on homeless charities who only seem to make the problem worse.

Finally, even if the government is responsible, we voted for them and they are only in government because of that and the failure of SF and FF to do a deal.

Wife just home from hospital with a three-week old baby and you see nothing wrong with some idiots shouting and screaming outside their house.

Mortelaro

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ha! That's a good one
5 years of that was pulling back from the country being broke
Can you imagine what sort of health service the country would have if Paul Murphy and crew took control?
Try Venezuela

gandalf

Boggles wrote: »

Well that isn't strictly true, legislation can passed (quite quickly) that would give the Minister for Health oversight over Senior Managers.

He has been harping on about it since he took up the role.

The reality is the HSE is a God send for the Minister of Health, gives them a near complete buffer of culpability.

Let be honest here if the unions caught a wiff of a minister getting power to fire incompetents in their ranks they would be up in arms. Unfortunately all of our politicians are petrified of this.

His current pickle though has nothing to do with the HSE, they didn't make him tell porkies in the D.

TBH I think he should stand down he has lost all credibility but that doesn't mitigate that targeting his family home and his personal life is just wrong.

BTW him standing down will not cure the core problem of the cost overruns in the NCH, showing the nameless civil servants running the project in the background the rope and then using it if they don't manage the project properly will. Until we fire people for incompetence with no pension payoffs or allowing them "retire" we won't sort these problems out.

Ulysses Gaze

GAA Beo wrote: »

Fine Gael cheerlead every move Fianna Fail made. In fact Fine Gael attacked FF for not pissing away more money. Fine Gael were not innocent in that in any way. They would have done even worse.

Ifs and buts and maybes.

There is only one party responsible for the ****ups of The Soldiers of Bankruptcy and that is The Soldiers of Bankruptcy.

blanch152

GAA Beo wrote: »

Fine Gael cheerlead every move Fianna Fail made. In fact Fine Gael attacked FF for not pissing away more money. Fine Gael were not innocent in that in any way. They would have done even worse.

Moving the goalposts now, and actually Labour (Joan Burton) and FG (Richard Bruton) spokespersons at budget time criticised the FF budgets for putting the economy at risk.

It was the likes of Sinn Fein and the smaller socialist parties who wanted FF to piss away more money.

You really need to get up to speed with what happened.

animaal

GAA Beo wrote: »

Fine Gael cheerlead every move Fianna Fail made. In fact Fine Gael attacked FF for not pissing away more money. Fine Gael were not innocent in that in any way. They would have done even worse.

Can you name *any* party at the time that had a declared policy of spending less?

"would have" is a poor excuse to leverage an existing bias to attack somebody.