Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

Omackeral

Some headline. Anti-austerity protesters have gathered outside the home of Minister for Health Simon Harris this afternoon.
According to Independent.ie the Harris, his wife and their young baby were in their Wicklow home when up to 20 protestors arrived outside this morning.

His spokesperson said in a statement that they are all currently still inside the house and that the situation is ongoing.

"Minister, his wife and three-week-old daughter remain inside while they await the arrival of the gardaí."

Gardaí have reportedly been in contact and are on their way to the minister's Wicklow home.

The protests come following Harris being under intense public scrutiny in recent weeks.

Story here.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

That is an absolutely scummy thing to do.

Atlantic Dawn

That's below the belt, by all means protest outside government buildings but not outside his home.

dudara

If true, that’s simply not on. I understand that he only recently became a father in January and therefore has a newborn at home.

How would those protestors feel if they were intimidated at their own homes?

Omackeral

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

That is an absolutely scummy thing to do.

Yeah but the gubberment like. Country's a joke n all.

It’s ended now. Disgraceful behavior, especially where a newborn baby is involved.

OldMrBrennan83

Absolutely idiotic and undermines any cause, if it happened. Not seen anything official on whether it's true or not though, you know how stories like this can spread so easily.


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_Brian

This doesn’t surprise me.

Can see from water protests onward that there are a very low class mixing with genuine protesters looking for nothing but a cover story to cause trouble and have a go, they’ve no “greater good” in mind, just trouble.

Following politicians home and intimidation of their families is real bad form and discredits all protesters.

Shame on whoever is doing this

Scum.

Wheeliebin30

What do we expect nowadays?

Protestors egged on by political parties and the media as if it’s ok to target politicians because their the bogey men.

Who would want to become a politician nowadays?

Maybe that’s why they are so inept.

Oh don’t forget John Connors who has a free pass to call our reps scum on live TV without any repercussion.

The future is bright.

super_furry

What kind of braindead gob****es are they? Instead of the nurses strike, the children's hospital or the smear-test scandal, tomorrow everyone will be talking about Harris being trapped inside his house with new-born child while a gang of thugs try to make some half-arsed point.

They take the spotlight off what he should be doing, they garner him massive sympathy and ultimately, help him keep his job.

spurious

More of the scumbaggery that surrounded Joan Burton in her car.

Very organised and not at all a spontaneous act.

Hurrache

Anti everything that has to be paid for from their own pockets as classy as ever.

Plumbthedepths

That's convenient.....

Dakotabigone

The heat about the hospital is off him temporarily.

listermint

spurious wrote: »

More of the scumbaggery that surrounded Joan Burton in her car.

Very organised and not at all a spontaneous act.

Joan was at an official event so protests are fair there tbh.

This outside someone's home is not on, ever.

Trying to tie the two together is a tad disingenuous

Wheeliebin30

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That's convenient.....

Good man, I suppose it’s all a conspiracy.

OldMrBrennan83

Any links or anything yet that it actually happened?

I find it difficult to get upset about this. The man, and the Government of which he is a part, has a policy of playing God with people's lives for the sake of placating the electorate. People die because of the choice his Government makes to favour low taxation over human suffering.

I'm sorry he and his family experienced that, but people experience a lot worse every day through his decisions.

Plumbthedepths

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Good man, I suppose it’s all a conspiracy.

Never said it was a conspiracy, just voicing my opinion that it's convenient considering the pressure Harris is under and his forthcoming apology to the Dail. Funny though the protesters left before the Guards came and no footage of the protest anywhere online that I can see. Alan Kelly had a similar experience I believe.

eagle eye

So standing outside their homes is a no go?
If it's in any way violent or aggressive or if they enter his property then yes I agree it's not on.
But if they simply protest outside his property then it's a bit different.
I don't know much about the man but maybe it's impossible to get his attention by protesting anywhere else.
Let's be clear here, I'm not backing these people just taking the other side, sorta...
Does he have a constituency office, could that be located at his house?

_Brian

listermint wrote: »

Joan was at an official event so protests are fair there tbh.

This outside someone's home is not on, ever.

Trying to tie the two together is a tad disingenuous

The thuggery that surrounded that “protest” is never acceptable. Buncholf out of control knackers.

Wheeliebin30

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I find it difficult to get upset about this. The man, and the Government of which he is a part, has a policy of playing God with people's lives for the sake of placating the electorate. People die because of the choice his Government makes to favour low taxation over human suffering.

I'm sorry he and his family experienced that, but people experience a lot worse every day through his decisions.

What choice did he make that caused people to die?

TheRiverman

Those scumbags should all be identified and jailed.
I think Simon Harris as Minister For Health is out of his depth and should resign,but targeting his private life is evil.

Plumbthedepths

TheRiverman wrote:

Those scumbags should all be identified and jailed. I think Simon Harris as Minister For Health is out of his depth and should resign,but targeting his private life is evil.

Jailed for what?

Juanito13

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I find it difficult to get upset about this. The man, and the Government of which he is a part, has a policy of playing God with people's lives for the sake of placating the electorate. People die because of the choice his Government makes to favour low taxation over human suffering.

I'm sorry he and his family experienced that, but people experience a lot worse every day through his decisions.

There is no excuse for this, yeah he’s out of his depth as a minister but i’m sure his intentions are well placed. This is ****ebag behaviour, simple as.
He has a right to feel safe in his own home just like the rest of us.

strandroad

eagle eye wrote: »

So standing outside their homes is a no go?
If it's in any way violent or aggressive or if they enter his property then yes I agree it's not on.
But if they simply protest outside his property then it's a bit different.
I don't know much about the man but maybe it's impossible to get his attention by protesting anywhere else.
Let's be clear here, I'm not backing these people just taking the other side, sorta...
Does he have a constituency office, could that be located at his house?

Would you leave especially with a child into a crowd like this? Hoping that they are civil and won't get physical like they got with Joan? I wouldn't. It's effectively placing them under house arrest.

He has an office in Bray Main St. that's where they should go.

EdgeCase

That is below the belt and uncalled for.
You can protest all you like outside a public building like a government department or the Dail.

Whatever your political point of view, there's been a long and good tradition in Ireland of leaving people's personal lives separate from their public lives.

You do not protest outside someone's home. It's hugely intimating and it's totally unfair.

What exactly is this all going to achieve anyway? A politician gets intimidated into resigning and the fiasco that is the health 'system' carries on as it always has totally unreformed.

I don't believe anyone in the country is happy with the status quo in health here and I think we have to start seeing this as a mess that needs to be engaged with and tackled, dealing with all of the systemic problems.

We have a system that should be capable of being engaged with and being able to work cross party and with public involvement to solve this problem.

This isn't France where you've an all-powerful executive and an appointed cabinet drawn from outside politics. The reason you've yellow vests and constant anger in France is they've a democratic system that simply does not work properly and it used to have ***7 year*** executive presidential terms. So stuff was driven through come hell or high water and people took to the streets to her their voices heard. That is not how Ireland works.

Use the very well developed democratic system we have and stop importing crazy from countries that are regarded even by academics as flawed democracies.

It you want to drive ordinary people away from going into politics, screw up the system and create an "us" Vs "them" society, then go around picketing TDs homes.

Absolutely disgraceful approach to getting yourself heard.

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What choice did he make that caused people to die?

How long is a piece of string?

To raise a topical example, the fact that our nurses are rushing around trying to manage twice or three times the number of patients than is safe.

Or how about the lack of primary care facilities that should be able to detect and treat problems, especially in the elderly, before they have to present at an acute hospital?

How about patients lying on trolleys because there isn't the capacity to admit them, when they need medical treatment?

Shall we discuss psychiatric hospitals, and the near absence of public resources for people suffering with mental illness, until they reach a point where they become a danger to themselves or to others?

All of these factors are interrelated, and all reduce the life expectancy of patients who deserve better. This occurs by dint of a conscious decision of our Government to trade health outcomes for middle-class votes.

As I said, I am sorry the Minister experienced this, but there are families struggling every day with a lot worse, because of his decisions.

Juanito13

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?

To raise a topical example, the fact that our nurses are rushing around trying to manage twice or three times the number of patients than is safe.

Or how about the lack of primary care facilities that should be able to detect and treat problems, especially in the elderly, before they have to present at an acute hospital?

How about patients lying on trolleys because there isn't the capacity to admit them, when they need medical treatment?

Shall we discuss psychiatric hospitals, and the near absence of public resources for people suffering with mental illness, until they reach a point where they become a danger to themselves or to others?

All of these factors are interrelated, and all reduce the life expectancy of patients who deserve better. This occurs by dint of a conscious decision of our Government to trade health outcomes for middle-class votes.

As I said, I am sorry the Minister experienced this, but there are families struggling every day with a lot worse, because of his decisions.

All problems that existed prior to his tenure as minister for health. He doesn’t have a magic wand. I’m a frontline worker in the health service, it’s been in ****e for years

Grab All Association

I’m sure he’s a nice guy with good intentions but why he ever took this position on in the first place at the start of his political career was political suicide. He needs to resign for his own sake more than the country’s imho. The HSE needs to be dismantled completely and responsibility handed over to county councils/health boards again. The system wasn’t perfect then but it was never this bad. For any political party the minister for health should always be the veteran candidate who is the least likely to run at the next general election.

Omackeral

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I find it difficult to get upset about this.

Going to a private residence en mass is beyond. His wife did nothing wrong. They have a newborn there too. There's a time and a place for legitimate protest. This is not the time, the place nor is it legitimate.

Calltocall

There are serious knackers now protesting at many contentious issues, health, evictions whatever the issue they are there, wastes of space who offer no solutions and probably have contributed very little in their own lives to this country but of course that’s all someone elses fault, I’m not a fan of harris or politicians in general but it’s a dirty move targetting someones family home.

Plumbthedepths

_Brian wrote:

Buncholf out of control knackers.

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Wheeliebin30

Grab All Association wrote: »

I’m sure he’s a nice guy with good intentions but why he ever took this position on in the first place at the start of his political career was political suicide. He needs to resign for his own sake more than the country’s imho. The HSE needs to be dismantled completely and responsibility handed over to county councils/health boards again. The system wasn’t perfect then but it was never this bad. For any political party the minister for health should always be the veteran candidate who is the least likely to run at the next general election.

So he resigns.

What next for the HSE?

Sleeper12

Jesse Dry Sprite wrote:

That is an absolutely scummy thing to do.

Agreed.

Someone's private residence should be off bounds for protests. There are plenty of places to protest without it effecting his family and private life

Juanito13

Juanito13 wrote: »

All problems that existed prior to his tenure as minister for health. He doesn’t have a magic wand.

Firstly, FG has been in power for 8 years, it's time to end this 'inherited mess' nonsense.

Secondly, he, as part of the Government, has decided to reduce the resources available to the Government by lowering taxation, which is a pro-cyclical, destructive policy.

Let nobody be mistaken, such policies end with people dying unnecessarily. I'm sorry that Simon Harris was bothered on his weekend off, but there are people out there who rely on public services who are enduring far more real problems, including the unnecessary death of loved ones, via austerity and funding cutbacks.

My sympathy is very limited.

Plumbthedepths

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

What next for the HSE?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't FG as an election promise in 2011 promise to dismantle the HSE one can only assume they had a plan on what came next, or do you think they lied?

Grab All Association

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So he resigns.

What next for the HSE?

That’s for the new chump, I mean minister.

EdgeCase

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So he resigns.

What next for the HSE?

That's the problem : it's been a mess for as long as I've been alive and it's chewed up and broken well intentioned ministers who've tried to tackle it and just carried on regardless.

Looks like we're prepared to keep rinsing, repeating, pinning the blame on an individual politician and failing to reform anything.

lbc2019

The Idiot yellow vest brigade at it again...

padd b1975

Éirígí scum I'd imagine.

Completely indefensible behaviour.

eagle eye

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

How long is a piece of string?
To raise a topical example, the fact that our nurses are rushing around trying to manage twice or three times the number of patients than is safe.

Or how about the lack of primary care facilities that should be able to detect and treat problems, especially in the elderly, before they have to present at an acute hospital?
How about patients lying on trolleys because there isn't the capacity to admit them, when they need medical treatment?
Shall we discuss psychiatric hospitals, and the near absence of public resources for people suffering with mental illness, until they reach a point where they become a danger to themselves or to others.
All of these factors are interrelated, and all reduce the life expectancy of patients who deserve better. This occurs by dint of a conscious decision of our Government to trade health outcomes for middle-class votes.
As I said, I am sorry the Minister experienced this, but there are families struggling every day with a lot worse, because of his decisions.

I think these problems all existed before he became Minister for Health.
I agree there is a lot wrong but why go after this man?

retro:electro

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?

To raise a topical example, the fact that our nurses are rushing around trying to manage twice or three times the number of patients than is safe.

Or how about the lack of primary care facilities that should be able to detect and treat problems, especially in the elderly, before they have to present at an acute hospital?

How about patients lying on trolleys because there isn't the capacity to admit them, when they need medical treatment?

Shall we discuss psychiatric hospitals, and the near absence of public resources for people suffering with mental illness, until they reach a point where they become a danger to themselves or to others?

All of these factors are interrelated, and all reduce the life expectancy of patients who deserve better. This occurs by dint of a conscious decision of our Government to trade health outcomes for middle-class votes.

As I said, I am sorry the Minister experienced this, but there are families struggling every day with a lot worse, because of his decisions.

As unfortunate as those conditions are, Simon is not directly responsible for this crisis, nor is his 3 week old daughter whose peace these scumbags decided to disturb when they landed on their doorstep today to shout and scream abuse.
Your home should be off limits.

Hurrache

lbc2019 wrote: »

The Idiot yellow vest brigade at it again...

Did you see the video of the yellow vest protestors in France having a big fight over the weekend? They were fighting with another gang of yellow vest protestors.

That's the level of intelligence that gets involved with that idiot show.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

I think these problems all existed before he became Minister for Health.
I agree there is a lot wrong but why go after this man?

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

shafty100

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Jailed for what?

On what grounds would you jail people for having a peacefull protest, thats totally unjustified.harris and his fellow dictators have imposed endless hardship on people and people have had enough. The next general will hopefully get rid of these parasites.

lbc2019

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies *shrug*

Its scummy pure and simple

tikkahunter

Tinfoil hat on : Send around 20 odd protesters - look for sympathy . Gets the eye and a bit of heat off you regarding the children's hospital scandal and the nurse and midwife strike. Just saying .

Juanito13

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies *shrug*

People are actively dying because of simon harris? Talk about Hyperbole

noodler

Anti-austerity?

Are these people for real?

We are spending like crazy. Have been for the last four years.