Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

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And twice in 6 Nations

Richie_Rich89

The Leavy injury causes real problems as regards back-row balance. Him being in there made up for O'Mahony's lack of brute physicality which you really need in a blindside.

Clegg

Beirne has displayed nothing in an Ireland jersey to suggest he should be in our strongest 23.

part time punk

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

The Leavy injury causes real problems as regards back-row balance. Him being in there made up for O'Mahony's lack of brute physicality which you really need in a blindside.

Something in this and given VDF injury something I'd like to see would be

6 Ruddock
7 POM
8 Conan

Bench: Stander

aloooof

part time punk wrote: »

Something in this and given VDF injury something I'd like to see would be

6 Ruddock
7 POM
8 Conan

Bench: Stander

If you think a lack of brute physicality in the backrow is a problem, then I don't think dropping Stander is the answer.

troyzer

aloooof wrote: »

If you think a lack of brute physicality in the backrow is a problem, then I don't think dropping Stander is the answer.

Stander is too much brute physicality without any finesse.

And Conan is definitely ahead of him purely on form at the moment, he's far more dynamic.

We don't have a balance issue at backrow. POM is a poor tackler and carrier. But he's a great lineout option and he can poach the ball. He does occasionally go missing.

VdF makes up for the lack of tackling and work rate and Conan makes up for the carrying. Stander could do this as well but then you'd only have a pure 8 on the bench (Conan) and Stander has struggled in green lately. He's just too easy to target when you know he's not going to pass. He's an excellent player but I don't know if he's our top shelf 8.

A POM, Stander and Conan backrow would be another option. Which is what ended up happening in France

AbusesToilets

I've seen nothing from Beirne that warrants him being on the plane to Japan. Joe's love of POM means they have to accommodate his lack of work and physicality elsewhere, which means most likely Stander starting.

Folks love POM but he forces compromises everywhere else to make up for the deficiencies in his game.

Gonad

Rory Best in the news talking about Jack McGrath moving to Ulster

“we signed a British Lion “

troyzer

Gonad wrote: »

Rory Best in the news talking about Jack McGrath moving to Ulster

“we signed a British Lion “

British and Irish Lion in every article I've read.

troyzer

troyzer wrote: »

British and Irish Lion in every article I've read.

Actually, I've just seen a full quote. He used British and Irish Lion and later on used just British Lion.

I know it's just a slip of the tongue but you think the Irish captain would know better.

Erik Shun

troyzer wrote: »

Actually, I've just seen a full quote. He used British and Irish Lion and later on used just British Lion.

I know it's just a slip of the tongue but you think the Irish captain would know better.

It was just a natural way of saying it for him...he can't watch everything he says every minute of his life..

Paul Smeenus

Erik Shun wrote: »

It was just a natural way of saying it for him...he can't watch everything he says every minute of his life..

He knows the good folk of the South are far too mature and grown up to go into some sort of outrage-seeking meltdown, should he make some kind of inconsequential slip of the tongue during his tenure as Ireland's most successful captain.

Faugheen

Genuinely couldn't give a sh*te if he calls them the British Lions if I'm honest.

Squidgy Black

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

He knows the good folk of the South are far too mature and grown up to go into some sort of outrage-seeking meltdown, should he make some kind of inconsequential slip of the tongue during his tenure as Ireland's most successful captain.

I'm offended that he didn't call them the British and Irish lions and lionesses, totally offensive to not be inclusive of all genders.

In fact it should be the British and Irish lions/lionesses/lionestheys.

Paul Smeenus

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

He knows the good folk of the South are far too mature and grown up to go into some sort of outrage-seeking meltdown, should he make some kind of inconsequential slip of the tongue during his tenure as Ireland's most successful captain.

Exactly right. Best has given a huge amount of time off the rugby pitch to all communities in Ireland, I wouldn't doubt him for a second.

salmocab

I think the only surprising thing is that people don’t just refer to them as ‘the lions’ it’s unlikely to cause any real confusion with other teams called the Lions. Everyday use as far as I can tell is just the Lions by anyone I have conversations about it with.

Paul Smeenus

salmocab wrote: »

I think the only surprising thing is that people don’t just refer to them as ‘the lions’ it’s unlikely to cause any real confusion with other teams called the Lions. Everyday use as far as I can tell is just the Lions by anyone I have conversations about it with.

Or even "Bee n' Eye" Lions.

troyzer

Faugheen wrote: »

Genuinely couldn't give a sh*te if he calls them the British Lions if I'm honest.

You're just a tan.

Seriously though, it's not a big deal. Like I said, it was just a slip of the tongue. It's just odd hearing it from an Irish captain is all.

jacothelad

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

He knows the good folk of the South are far too mature and grown up to go into some sort of outrage-seeking meltdown, should he make some kind of inconsequential slip of the tongue during his tenure as Ireland's most successful captain.

Obviously not all....... and some people think the New Zealand folk are thin skinned.....:D:D

Richie_Rich89

Is it that unusual? I've always referred to them as the British Lions. I think I've heard Shane Horgan and Conor O'Shea say it on tele as well.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

Genuinely couldn't give a sh*te if he calls them the British Lions if I'm honest.

He should be stripped of his OBE

bilston

troyzer wrote: »

Actually, I've just seen a full quote. He used British and Irish Lion and later on used just British Lion.

I know it's just a slip of the tongue but you think the Irish captain would know better.

Sack him...the stupid b***** and get someone not as good into do the job that calls the Lions the right name

troyzer

bilston wrote: »

Sack him...the stupid b***** and get someone not as good into do the job that calls the Lions the right name

Ah lads, settle down. I'm not saying burn the witch.

It's just unusual is all. One of the primary duties of the Irish captain is being a squeaky clean media operator and that's a gaffe.

mfceiling

troyzer wrote: »

Ah lads, settle down. I'm not saying burn the witch.

It's just unusual is all. One of the primary duties of the Irish captain is being a squeaky clean media operator and that's a gaffe.

Ah sure we all slip up now and again.
It would be worse if you were tipping the missus and you called out her sister's name.*


*this has never happened to me....ever*

troyzer

mfceiling wrote: »

Ah sure we all slip up now and again.
It would be worse if you were tipping the missus and you called out her sister's name.*


*this has never happened to me....ever*

Mate....

kingofthekong

aloooof wrote: »

The suggestion that Stander is in competition with Deegan for a spot is, tbh, ridiculous.

Stander is the incumbent 8. He doesn't need to "push himself back in". I can't see Conan starting ahead of him come the RWC, nevermind Deegan getting picked ahead of him.



Some people have very short memories. POM got MOTM against the best team in the world as recently as, oh, November. The entire backrow you mentioned have all started in victories over the All Blacks.

Your missing it completley - The backrow is made up of three different positions so no i'm not stating that Deegan would get ahead of sTANDER FOR A NO.8 role - however if Joe schmidt wants a no.7 on the bench to compete at ruck time then Deegan would be a better fit.

So it depends what Joe decides the team needs a ball carrier at 55 mins coming on or a player that will compete more at ruck time - he certainly wont be picking Deegan on the bench to come on at 8 and run into people lol

aloooof

kingofthekong wrote: »

Your missing it completley - The backrow is made up of three different positions so no i'm not stating that Deegan would get ahead of sTANDER FOR A NO.8 role - however if Joe schmidt wants a no.7 on the bench to compete at ruck time then Deegan would be a better fit.

So it depends what Joe decides the team needs a ball carrier at 55 mins coming on or a player that will compete more at ruck time - he certainly wont be picking Deegan on the bench to come on at 8 and run into people lol

You're suggesting our first choice 8 will be forced out of the 23 by:
- Conan starting at 8
- And Stander not starting at 6
- And a player with 0 caps getting on the bench ahead of him because he's played a handful of games at 7 in the Pro14.

All of that needs to happen when, in reality, each is increasingly unlikely.

Add to that, you're suggesting it depends on what Joe decides the team needs. When was the last time Joe didn't pick Stander when he was available?

Stander is a favourite of Joe's; the suggestion Schmidt would pick Deegan for a bench spot ahead of him for the RWC is crazy, and nothing we've seen from Schmidt's selections in the past suggestions it's at all likely. Has Deegan even made an Irish camp yet??

mfceiling

troyzer wrote: »

Mate....

Mairead actually.

Bridge93

Anyone who thinks Best calling them the British Lions is a gaffe needs to concern themselves with other things. It's such a non event its barely comprehensible. I've heard Brian O Driscoll call it the British Lions before. A full blown southerner who captained Ireland and the Lions

stephen_n

aloooof wrote: »

You're suggesting our first choice 8 will be forced out of the 23 by:
- Conan starting at 8
- And Stander not starting at 6
- And a player with 0 caps getting on the bench ahead of him because he's played a handful of games at 7 in the Pro14.

All of that needs to happen when, in reality, each is increasingly unlikely.

Add to that, you're suggesting it depends on what Joe decides the team needs. When was the last time Joe didn't pick Stander when he was available?

Stander is a favourite of Joe's; the suggestion Schmidt would pick Deegan for a bench spot ahead of him for the RWC is crazy, and nothing we've seen from Schmidt's selections in the past suggestions it's at all likely. Has Deegan even made an Irish camp yet??

The chances of any player who has had no time in camp so far making the World Cup squad is zero. This is just shiny new toy syndrome at its worst. Apart from the fact VDF is due back for the warm up games. SOB, Ruddock and Nordie would all be considered at openside. Beyond that you have JOD who has plenty of experience in camp. Then the option of a Conan, Stander and POM backrow. All of which is far more likely to happen. Than a number 8 who has happened to play a couple of dirttracker Pro 14 games at 7, with no exposure to Ireland squads. Coming into the RWC squad, let alone the match day 23 or starting team.