Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

Shefwedfan · 18-02-2019 11:15am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I have similar feelings about the team that were had in 2007, in that we have a very specific structure we try to play within. Back then it was based around territory, lineouts and strike plays. That got taken away and we struggled mightily. A knock out game against SA or NZ, how well can we adapt if faced with the same intensity that England brought?

The main issue again in 2007 was the squad size....After the initial starting 15 and subs the rest of the guys just went along for the crack, all of them knew they would never get a chance to get onto the pitch

We didn't seem to resolve that in last World Cup when really the squad was a bit bigger but nothing major,

razorblunt · 18-02-2019 11:45am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The main issue again in 2007 was the squad size....After the initial starting 15 and subs the rest of the guys just went along for the crack, all of them knew they would never get a chance to get onto the pitch

We didn't seem to resolve that in last World Cup when really the squad was a bit bigger but nothing major,

Wasn't the highlight of Frankie Sheahan's trip hitting a Royal Flush in the casino around the corner from them?

Mr Tickle · 18-02-2019 11:53am

The prospect of SA in QF really worries me. I can see it going a lot like the England game. A defense that manages to stop our ball carriers, a pack that gets them some front foot ball and half backs that use a kicking game to keep us pinned back.
SA did something similar to the All Blacks in last years championship.

The good news is that, now that we've had a dry run at it, Joe has months to plan accordingly.

thomond2006 · 18-02-2019 3:21pm

Poor opposition aside, Andrew Conway really put his hand up for selection on Friday night.

leakyboots · 18-02-2019 3:24pm

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

Mr Tickle · 18-02-2019 3:46pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

Yeah i'd rather see a different option for that game. RK is the known quantity but the decision could be made that he needs game time if he's going to play france and/or wales.
I'd like Henshaw to get another go too if he's fit. May as well see if he's learned from the England game. If he goes well, it might be a live option going forward. If he's weak there against Italy then we can put the notion to bed. Conway could be on one of the wings and cover 15.

cadaliac · 18-02-2019 3:47pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

if RK plays?
If so, I agree with you. Italy the game for changes (where needed).

Shefwedfan · 18-02-2019 3:52pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

Did Conway play FB at weekend? or was he on the wing?

brinty · 18-02-2019 3:59pm

Shefwedfan wrote:

Did Conway play FB at weekend? or was he on the wing?

Wing
Haley was at full back

Shefwedfan · 18-02-2019 4:07pm

brinty wrote: »

Wing
Haley was at full back

I don't see why we have the constant mentions of Conway at FB when he is not playing FB for Munster

If Ireland wanted him to play FB he would have been playing FB for Munster.....it's fairly simple

aloooof · 18-02-2019 4:09pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If Ireland wanted him to play FB he would have been playing FB for Munster.....it's fairly simple

The Henshaw selection all of 2 weeks ago proves that this doesn't necessarily need to be the case.

salmocab · 18-02-2019 4:15pm

I’d say Kearney will start against Italy, he needs game time. The break to The French game would be too long.

Shefwedfan · 18-02-2019 4:17pm

aloooof wrote: »

The Henshaw selection all of 2 weeks ago proves that this doesn't necessarily need to be the case.

Not really....but some fans will continue talking about it

Joe said the plan was to play Henshaw at 15 in AI's....Conway was available all AI's, did he play 15?

aloooof · 18-02-2019 4:24pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really....but some fans will continue talking about it

Did you read my post? I'll put it another way. What you're saying doesn't follow.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If Ireland wanted him to play FB he would have been playing FB for Munster.....it's fairly simple

"If Ireland wanted Henshaw to play FB he would have been playing FB for Leisnter.....it's fairly simple"

EachSmallChime · 18-02-2019 4:47pm

Would it make sense for Jack Carty to get a bench spot this weekend?

He had a near perfect game at the weekend and if not now, then he runs the risk of getting his first cap at the world cup which might not be ideal.

Or Wales in the summer I guess.

Mr Tickle · 18-02-2019 5:09pm

EachSmallChime wrote: »

Would it make sense for Jack Carty to get a bench spot this weekend?

He had a near perfect game at the weekend and if not now, then he runs the risk of getting his first cap at the world cup which might not be ideal.

Or Wales in the summer I guess.

I guess the question is do we go into this game with sexton out of the 23. Carbery should start a game or two. i'd have thought this and France maybe.

In that case will Joe risk leaving Sexton out entirely? personally i'd think we should be confident enough to put Italy away without him. Even if it's not pretty we should be able to grind out a win.

Eod100 · 18-02-2019 5:17pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I guess the question is do we go into this game with sexton out of the 23. Carbery should start a game or two. i'd have thought this and France maybe.

In that case will Joe risk leaving Sexton out entirely? personally i'd think we should be confident enough to put Italy away without him. Even if it's not pretty we should be able to grind out a win.

Think choice is between getting Sexton and Murray clicking before subbing either and giving Carbery more experience. After Carbery getting more game-time than planned against Scotland, wouldn't be too surprised to see Sexton start.

If Sexton had done 60 or 70 mins vs Scotland could easily have been other way around.

Burkie1203 · 18-02-2019 5:18pm

cadaliac wrote: »

if RK plays?
If so, I agree with you. Italy the game for changes (where needed).

The problem with that is you run the risk of guys not playing in 3 weeks unless you send them back to provinces.

Mr Tickle · 18-02-2019 5:21pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Think choice is between getting Sexton and Murray clicking before subbing either and giving Carbery more experience. After Carbery getting more game-time than planned against Scotland, wouldn't be too surprised to see Sexton start.

If Sexton had done 60 or 70 mins vs Scotland could easily have been other way around.

Well in that case i wonder can we justify giving Carty some experience over Carbery. It would be useful to have addison in the team in that case to cover our backs a bit better.

Former Former · 18-02-2019 5:34pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Well in that case i wonder can we justify giving Carty some experience over Carbery. It would be useful to have addison in the team in that case to cover our backs a bit better.

No, Carbery needs the game time. Wouldn't mind seeing him start but there isn't any argument for involving Carty.

Buer · 18-02-2019 5:59pm

Andrew Porter, Ross Byrne, Garry Ringrose, CJ Stander and Billy Holland all pictured training with their provinces today so don't expect any to be involved with Irish squad or selection this week.

thomond2006 · 18-02-2019 6:09pm

Farrell and Beirne are with Ireland, per the Munster update.

Wegians89 · 18-02-2019 6:10pm

This Italian match is coming at a bad time for experimentation side of things. If you were to leave a fit Sexton/carbery out that’s 3 weeks without game time. Would have been much better having a big game with the break either side

Shefwedfan · 18-02-2019 6:20pm

aloooof wrote: »

Did you read my post? I'll put it another way. What you're saying doesn't follow.

"If Ireland wanted Henshaw to play FB he would have been playing FB for Leisnter.....it's fairly simple"

Henshaw is on the plane to WC unless he is injured. Can we agree on that?

The reason why ireland wanted to look at him for FB is because if they have an injury at 15 then Henshaw could potentially step in to fill the spot. This is good thinking ahead by Ireland, would you agree?

Ireland even confirmed they wanted to look at this in AI's but couldn't because of injury, Henshaw has been out since and first chance they put him in at 15......

So Ireland can potentially bring a Farrell/Aki/Ringrose/Henshaw combination because Henshaw can also cover 15, would you agree?

Or do you disagree and we can just post randoms players in every position for every ireland match because "Henshaw played 15"

stephen_n · 18-02-2019 6:20pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Poor opposition aside, Andrew Conway really put his hand up for selection on Friday night.

Think Conway’s hand is well up anyway, but who do you drop to bring him in?

aloooof · 18-02-2019 6:50pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Henshaw is on the plane to WC unless he is injured. Can we agree on that?

Agreed.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The reason why ireland wanted to look at him for FB is because if they have an injury at 15 then Henshaw could potentially step in to fill the spot. This is good thinking ahead by Ireland, would you agree?

Agreed.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ireland even confirmed they wanted to look at this in AI's but couldn't because of injury, Henshaw has been out since and first chance they put him in at 15......

So Ireland can potentially bring a Farrell/Aki/Ringrose/Henshaw combination because Henshaw can also cover 15, would you agree?

Agreed.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Or do you disagree and we can just post randoms players in every position for every ireland match because "Henshaw played 15"

Not at all what I suggested. And it doesn't follow that agreeing with the former implies the latter.

Clegg · 18-02-2019 7:15pm

Henderson has been cited for an alleged dangerous clear out at the weekend.

So that's him possibly gone from the Italy game. Looks like we'll be flogging Ryan.

Buer · 18-02-2019 7:44pm

Just saw the incident. He's gone. I don't think he realised what was happening when he pulled Cross over but he brings him over and straight down on top of his head with a dodgy clear out. Can't see him not getting a week.

bilston · 18-02-2019 7:56pm

Buer wrote: »

Just saw the incident. He's gone. I don't think he realised what was happening when he pulled Cross over but he brings him over and straight down on top of his head with a dodgy clear out. Can't see him not getting a week.

Especially if it's Scottish officials ruling on it. Ulster usually suffer quite badly at their hands. I don't even think that's a tinfoiled gat comment either!

Bazzo · 18-02-2019 8:32pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Yeah i'd rather see a different option for that game. RK is the known quantity but the decision could be made that he needs game time if he's going to play france and/or wales.
I'd like Henshaw to get another go too if he's fit. May as well see if he's learned from the England game. If he goes well, it might be a live option going forward. If he's weak there against Italy then we can put the notion to bed. Conway could be on one of the wings and cover 15.

Can't see Henshaw playing anywhere but in the centre if he's fit considering the amount of injuries there.

Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

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