When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

Birneybau

PhoneMain wrote: »

Ah here...

There is no talking to these loons. It's like Donald Trump rejecting the findings of the CIA and FBI because he knows more about global affairs than they.

Hotblack Desiato

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Hiqua? The Quality agency for the HSE? I would rather take my chances running overseas for treatment and pay private than take my chances with the "7 minute" wonder doctors who I think graduated for goat herder school. Wonder who was held accountable when those Cervical contracts were handed out? Who was held accountable when those cover ups came to light? How long before Vicki Phelan was that intimidate and settle out of court and gag order was that going on?

Sorry credibility is long gone there with me.

So we're onto incoherent rants now I see. Appropriate given the thread subject

ohnonotgmail

Birneybau wrote: »

There is no talking to these loons. It's like Donald Trump rejecting the findings of the CIA and FBI because he knows more about global affairs than they.

He doesnt need them he has the General Intelligence Presidency to give him the info he needs.

skooterblue2

PhoneMain wrote: »

Ah here.

I'm Irish trained, have worked in Ireland all my life. Some of my colleagues have emigrated to other countries and are doing well, by all accounts they're well regarded. Irish doctors have no problems getting work anywhere else in the world, if we were so terrible then we wouldn't be getting into places like America, England, Australia, New Zealand, UAE, Canada etc.

There's bad eggs in all practices, I don't see how I am in anyway comparable to Michael Neary.

The first 2 cases you mentioned above involve doctors who weren't trained here. But I've also worked with plenty of non Irish doctors who were fantastic clinicians who worked really hard for their patients.

I can't nor won't defend that GP altering the report.

I'm not going to comment on the MG case you mention above, I know nothing about the case (nor do I want to know, boards is not an appropriate setting for discussing an individuals diagnosis).

There's no grand conspiracy to cover up the mistakes of fellow doctors. We continually audit each other where we make sure we are following relevant clinical guidelines. If there's mistakes made in patient care, it's presented back to each other and changes made to clinical practice or reforms put in place. In the surgical field, there's monthly morbidity and mortality meetings in hospitals where we discuss cases where things went wrong, the circumstances leading to that and what we can do to make things better. They can occasionally get very heated. At the heart of all this is patient welfare. We also are continually undergoing ongoing education including CPD in order to ensure we are up to date with relevant guidelines. Again, all with the patient's best interests at heart.

You may be shocked to hear this but I got into medicine to actually help people.

I am fascinated that you got into medicine to help someone other than yourself. The good ones are working elsewhere we are left with the dregs of the system.

But it guys like you who covered for Michael Neary? Guy who covered who in case they where in need of support later?

If you wont defend the altering of a report then why is he still working? I would report a colleague to the company and then the FDA/Hiqua (if necessary) if I found that a colleague was covering up something. That clown is putting my job in danger as well as the rest of the factory.

If there is no conspiracy then why did the HSE call in the heavy lawyer crew to put Vicki Phelan in her place? Why didnt doctors speak up and out before this?

So I didnt imagine those headlines? But you wont comment on the MG case but you will condemn Dr. Michael Neary? I dont think Neary was as bad as the people who allowed him to continue. Isnt that double standard?

Have you accepted a "gift" from a Pharmaceutical or Bio Medical sales rep? and if so what did you receive?

PhoneMain

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I am fascinated that you got into medicine to help someone other than yourself. The good ones are working elsewhere we are left with the dregs of the system.

But it guys like you who covered for Michael Neary? Guy who covered who in case they where in need of support later?

If you wont defend the altering of a report then why is he still working? I would report a colleague to the company and then the FDA/Hiqua (if necessary) if I found that a colleague was covering up something. That clown is putting my job in danger as well as the rest of the factory.

If there is no conspiracy then why did the HSE call in the heavy lawyer crew to put Vicki Phelan in her place? Why didnt doctors speak up and out before this?

So I didnt imagine those headlines? But you wont comment on the MG case but you will condemn Dr. Michael Neary? I dont think Neary was as bad as the people who allowed him to continue. Isnt that double standard?

Have you accepted a "gift" from a Pharmaceutical or Bio Medical sales rep? and if so what did you receive?

Dregs of the system - Eh, no we're not.

I never covered up for Michael Neary. I have never covered up anything. Nor do I plan on ever doing it.

Dr Lee has had a finding against him by the highest regulatory authority for doctors in Ireland. The Medical Council. I don't know who else you expect me to report him to.

As I said, I know nothing about that Myasthenia Gravis case. Nor do I want to be told it.

I have received a "gift" from a sales rep.....I regularly eat 2 sandwiches and a chocolate muffin that they may provide at hospital grand rounds or journal clubs. Unfortunately for them, I generally don't take any notice of the drug that's being advertised, I don't talk to the reps themselves and they often have a competitor at teaching the following week who provide us with the same "gift". There you have it, my conscience is clear now.

skooterblue2

PhoneMain wrote: »

no we're not.

I never covered up for Michael Neary. I have never covered up anything. Nor do I plan on ever doing it.

Dr Lee has had a finding against him by the highest regulatory authority for doctors in Ireland. The Medical Council. I don't know who else you expect me to report him to.

As I said, I know nothing about that Myasthenia Gravis case. Nor do I want to be told it.

I have received a "gift" from a sales rep.....I regularly eat 2 sandwiches and a chocolate muffin that they may provide at hospital grand rounds or journal clubs. Unfortunately for them, I generally don't take any notice of the drug that's being advertised, I don't talk to the reps themselves and they often have a competitor at teaching the following week who provide us with the same "gift". There you have it, my conscience is clear now.

An elderly farmer is feeling weak over a number of years and it eventually comes to point where he cant swallow. Several doctors including a geriatric specialist tell him "its in his head". One day he cant go on and goes to hospital. Its spotted by another doctor. The geriatric doctor immediately rallies her five brothers (also doctors) who tell the farmer, its very difficult to spot. The farmer cleared them all out and told them to get bent as they were covering for another.

So there is no quantitative metric for shifting prescriptions? You never got taken to a conference, received any incentive to entertain one product over another?

Funny, my father was a purchasing manager and the stuff that would be thrown at him was unreal (unlimited booze, trips to Sweden for the family, Golf trips for management, offers of outside "consultancy"). My father was a very honest and cautious man and was terrified if was revealed he could be blackmailed. There has never been any scandal like that in the HSE ever, in recent times, regarding purchasing? A dog never bites once. My sister is a nurse and she say she used to inundated with training days and incentives to recommend purchases when she was in the HSE, (now works for private industry).

skooterblue2

PhoneMain wrote: »

I never covered up for Michael Neary. I have never covered up anything. Nor do I plan on ever doing it.

You are young and naive and just in the door the wet day. One day you will get that call from your college buddy. You will answer that call because you will be in that same situation yourself one day.

PhoneMain

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You are young and naive and just in the door the wet day. One day you will get that call from your college buddy. You will answer that call because you will be in that same situation yourself one day.

Ah here, I'm done. Keep firing personal insults at me but you know what, if you presented yourself to me as being sick, I'd treat you as well as I treat any other patient who attends me.

You actually haven't a clue what you're on about but the frustrating thing about dealing with the likes of you is that you think you're more informed than everyone else and that everyone else is wrong. You're a bit like the title subject above, if you're against her you're just some part of a corrupt system. Black and White, no grey.

I've exams to be studying for. Good luck.

PhoneMain

skooterblue2 wrote: »

An elderly farmer is feeling weak over a number of years and it eventually comes to point where he cant swallow. Several doctors including a geriatric specialist tell him "its in his head". One day he cant go on and goes to hospital. Its spotted by another doctor. The geriatric doctor immediately rallies her five brothers (also doctors) who tell the farmer, its very difficult to spot. The farmer cleared them all out and told them to get bent as they were covering for another.

Before I go. First of all, uncorruberated anecdotal situation you've presented. SEcond of all, Geriatric specialist? Was he not in hospital when he saw her? Geriatricians are hospital consultants. Third of all, Upper GI swallowing difficulties sound like a surgical issue, not treated medically generally. Fourth: I'd be shocked that this farmer (if this situation actually exists) wouldn't have got a full physical exam including cardiac, resp, gi & neuro exam, a full blood work up including FBC, U&E, CRP, LFTS, TFTs, Iron studies, Cholesterol. Maybe a holter monitor or 24hour bp monitor. Then maybe an upper GI endoscopy. I'd be very surprised if anyone was told "its in your head".

Anyway, I don't have time for this. later buddy.

skooterblue2

PhoneMain wrote: »

Ah here, I'm done. Keep firing personal insults at me but you know what, if you presented yourself to me as being sick, I'd treat you as well as I treat any other patient who attends me.

You actually haven't a clue what you're on about but the frustrating thing about dealing with the likes of you is that you think you're more informed than everyone else and that everyone else is wrong. You're a bit like the title subject above, if you're against her you're just some part of a corrupt system. Black and White, no grey.

I've exams to be studying for. Good luck.

You have been treated as I have been by the HSE and Doctors and the rest of them "7 minute marvels" you could be dead, bloated on unnecessary steroids and and have your reports go unread, hence you go untreated.

Wow, I never thought someone would understand me so well, possibly because you think its all a garden of roses at the HSE. Everyday must seem like "Carry On Nurse".

Can I come to your surgery? You like to think you would but really its "hi, bye, collect the prescription on your way out and pay the secretary". When you deal with me, I want to know the side effects? what is the treatment plan? have you seen a case like this before? Trust me you would earn every penny with me. I think we have put doctors so high up on a pedestal they cannot come down.
Once again we have had no accountability for any medical enquiry regarding the Blood Tribunal, HIV infections from Bayer, Avian and Swine flu ...... and the list goes on and on.....

Gemma O Doherty is someone who is trying to exposing the very first part of a very corrupt society. A bit like the journalist who first exposed Fr. Brendan Smyth. Once a few parts are exposed the truth will start to unfold.

Best of luck with exams.

batgoat

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never claimed to be a doctor, I just said the Gradasil vaccine in its current form is dangerous. Feel free to vaccinate your own kids.

Then show us a reputable safety report or study that backs your claim up.

PhoneMain wrote: »

Ah here, I'm done. Keep firing personal insults at me but you know what, if you presented yourself to me as being sick, I'd treat you as well as I treat any other patient who attends me.

You actually haven't a clue what you're on about but the frustrating thing about dealing with the likes of you is that you think you're more informed than everyone else and that everyone else is wrong. You're a bit like the title subject above, if you're against her you're just some part of a corrupt system. Black and White, no grey.

I've exams to be studying for. Good luck.

He thinks everything is a global conspiracy. So being put down by him is a compliment.

In relation to the dregs of doctors. I've been in and out of hospitals for much of the last decade. This is basically to maintain remission with crohns. My new gp is superb. My last consultant trained for a time in the Mayo institute. My current is incredibly good as well. Both actively engage in research. So ya, we have superb doctors in the country.

skooterblue2

PhoneMain wrote: »

Before I go. First of all, uncorruberated anecdotal situation you've presented. SEcond of all, Geriatric specialist? Was he not in hospital when he saw her? Geriatricians are hospital consultants. Third of all, Upper GI swallowing difficulties sound like a surgical issue, not treated medically generally. Fourth: I'd be shocked that this farmer (if this situation actually exists) wouldn't have got a full physical exam including cardiac, resp, gi & neuro exam, a full blood work up including FBC, U&E, CRP, LFTS, TFTs, Iron studies, Cholesterol. Maybe a holter monitor or 24hour bp monitor. Then maybe an upper GI endoscopy. I'd be very surprised if anyone was told "its in your head".

Anyway, I don't have time for this. later buddy.

It was treated and diagnosed as Mystenias Gravis. It was treated with strong steroids and Mestinon. PM sent with details.

blackwhite

This thread really has turned into a fascinating insight into just how batshit crazy Gemma's followers are as well.

skooterblue2

batgoat wrote: »

Then show us a reputable safety report or study that backs your claim up.

Show a long term study of Gardasil

batgoat

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Show a long term study of Gardasil

Here's one over 6 years.. It was one of numerous safety reports that the WHO cite. Also since you claim it can happen within hours, you should be able to provide loads of proof.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896841116302141

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Show a long term study of Gardasil

what are the bets that you would immediately reject any studies done because "Big Pharma"?

skooterblue2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what are the bets that you would immediately reject any studies done because "Big Pharma"?

Its not in Mercks to do a study on it or make it public. To do a real pharma sized study you need a sample size of "30,000" of that 30k you need to have less than 1 in 10,000 incidents. If I offered a quantitive report (500 approx) you would say it is too small to make quantitative report or I was cherry picking cases.

Guess we are at a stalemate. You have no idea of the amount of paper work, red tape, money, time and effort that goes into an investigation and it could just end up mothballed and sent to archives. I have worked for big pharma and I have no problem with it. Probably will go back in two years again. I use loads of toiletries and medical devices all my life. I am not some smelly hippy.

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its not in Mercks to do a study on it or make it public. To do a real pharma sized study you need a sample size of "30,000" of that 30k you need to have less than 1 in 10,000 incidents. If I offered a quantitive report (500 approx) you would say it is too small to make quantitative report or I was cherry picking cases.

Guess we are at a stalemate. You have no idea of the amount of paper work, red tape, money, time and effort that goes into an investigation and it could just end up mothballed and sent to archives. I have worked for big pharma and I have no problem with it. Probably will go back in two years again. I use loads of toiletries and medical devices all my life. I am not some smelly hippy.

i am curious as well as to why you now insist on a long term study. All the problems you say that occur with gardasil occurred not very long after the administration of the vaccine. what long term issues do you think there are?

skooterblue2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i am curious as well as to why you now insist on a long term study. All the problems you say that occur with gardasil occurred not very long after the administration of the vaccine. what long term issues do you think there are?

I didnt "insist" on a long term study but any medicine, from concept to market takes 10 years. Its starts with a herbalist/microbiologist and progresses forwards to development, production trials, alpha trials, beta trials, etc etc to market. All the time with FDA.TUV/other regulating body watching.

I would see problems with any drug that is sure thing. that the side effects are dampened down or there are no side effects. I think it will either emerge as fertility problems. I think some of these REGRET girls are going through early menopause at 15.

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I didnt "insist" on a long term study but any medicine, from concept to market takes 10 years. Its starts with a herbalist/microbiologist and progresses forwards to development, production trials, alpha trials, beta trials, etc etc to market. All the time with FDA.TUV/other regulating body watching.

I would see problems with any drug that is sure thing. that the side effects are dampened down or there are no side effects. I think it will either emerge as fertility problems. I think some of these REGRET girls are going through early menopause at 15.

well here is one study as a starting point. It is even has the magical 30,000 population in the vaccine group and a similar size control group.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262378/

Snickers Man

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Not Countries, Nations.
Loads of countries in the developed world are below 1.8.
1.8 is the point of no-return for a population. The population of that nation is in a down ward spiral.

Where are you going with this line of argument? Are you suggesting that people born here of, say, an Irish father (which we will define for the purposes of argument as a man born in this country and whose parents were both born in this country) and, say, an Italian mother are not really Irish?

Or does it only apply if one of the parents has a slightly darker skin pigmentation?

In which case I would ask you how certain you are of your own heritage?
Do you know the original surnames of both your parents? (Most people would say yes to that)
Do you know the original surnames of all four of your grandparents (Most people would say yes to that too)
How about your eight great grandparents? (Not sure that everybody could do that)
How about your sixteen great great grandparents? I think I am doing well to be able to name 12 of mine, but the other four are a mystery. And that only takes me back to people born in the middle of the 19th century. Which is the blink of an eye in human terms.

How do I know that early ancestors were all Irish? I don't. I can surmise indeed that many of them weren't, although some certainly were. Among the names of direct ancestors in my family tree are people with unmistakably Gaelic names but there are quite a few Anglo-Norman surnames in there too. Hardly surprisingly. Such people have been here for 800 years.

I would guess that most "Irish" people have similar mixed ancestry. And that's before you start including more recent arrivals such as people with names like Abrahamson and Shatter or the likes of Forte, Mizzoni and Cafolla.

How do I know that some of my ancestors weren't rapacious Cromwellian soldiers? Or Hessian mercenaries in the 18th century? Or Viking slavers in medieval times? I don't. There's every chance one or more of them were.

A "nation" is only a product of the imagination. When you get down to definitions, differences between one and another are infinitesimally trite.

Like so what if we have a few Raducioius and Da Silvas in our gene pool in years to come? Not to mention the odd Lumumba, Kaunda and Muzorewa. Mankind is a migratory species. Get used to it.

Billy86

This thread went from being an amusing insight into the paranoia of Gemma and some of her followers, into being actually kind of depressing. Some people in this thread really are coming over like they could use some genuine help.

lbc2019

Billy86 wrote: »

This thread went from being an amusing insight into the paranoia of Gemma and some of her followers, into being actually kind of depressing. Some people in this thread really are coming over like they could use some genuine help.

Its frightening

debok

Billy86 wrote: »

This thread went from being an amusing insight into the paranoia of Gemma and some of her followers, into being actually kind of depressing. Some people in this thread really are coming over like they could use some genuine help.

I asked a while back what has this to do with Gemma o Doherty? It's gone way off topic.

skooterblue2

Snickers Man wrote: »

Where are you going with this line of argument? Are you suggesting that people born here of, say, an Irish father (which we will define for the purposes of argument as a man born in this country and whose parents were both born in this country) and, say, an Italian mother are not really Irish?

Or does it only apply if one of the parents has a slightly darker skin pigmentation?

In which case I would ask you how certain you are of your own heritage?
Do you know the original surnames of both your parents? (Most people would say yes to that)
Do you know the original surnames of all four of your grandparents (Most people would say yes to that too)
How about your eight great grandparents? (Not sure that everybody could do that)
How about your sixteen great great grandparents? I think I am doing well to be able to name 12 of mine, but the other four are a mystery. And that only takes me back to people born in the middle of the 19th century. Which is the blink of an eye in human terms.

How do I know that early ancestors were all Irish? I don't. I can surmise indeed that many of them weren't, although some certainly were. Among the names of direct ancestors in my family tree are people with unmistakably Gaelic names but there are quite a few Anglo-Norman surnames in there too. Hardly surprisingly. Such people have been here for 800 years.

I would guess that most "Irish" people have similar mixed ancestry. And that's before you start including more recent arrivals such as people with names like Abrahamson and Shatter or the likes of Forte, Mizzoni and Cafolla.

How do I know that some of my ancestors weren't rapacious Cromwellian soldiers? Or Hessian mercenaries in the 18th century? Or Viking slavers in medieval times? I don't. There's every chance one or more of them were.

A "nation" is only a product of the imagination. When you get down to definitions, differences between one and another are infinitesimally trite.

Like so what if we have a few Raducioius and Da Silvas in our gene pool in years to come? Not to mention the odd Lumumba, Kaunda and Muzorewa. Mankind is a migratory species. Get used to it.

Well that is quite a lot of muddying of the waters there so to speak.
You know where you least racist people? in monocultures.
You know where you have the most violence and aggression? Where you put two or more very different cultures together.

I love your logic, now if you could only pack that logic and take it back in time. Back to when the Europeans landed in Americas. "We are going to mix it all up and it s going to be grand".
Or when the British landed in Australia? How them Aborigines come out on top of that deal?

A nation is a set of people with a common sense of history, culture and values. You destroy the culture, the history and scatter the people. They cannot unite or organise and then you can enslave them.

I look at the Irish nation, sold out for magic beans and enslaved by debt and an invisible government in Europe, with an unelected leader and it is the end of democracy and citizens rights silenced by political correctness.

batgoat

You're accusing other people of muddying the waters...... This does a fine job of highlighting the type of person Gemma appeals to though.

skooterblue2

batgoat wrote: »

You're accusing other people of muddying the waters...... This does a fine job of highlighting the type of person Gemma appeals to though.

Can you name the the definitive head of the European Union or his or her role and title? Cos I sure as hell cant
Can you tell me what went on in the European Parliament today?

Ipso

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well that is quite a lot of muddying of the waters there so to speak.
You know where you least racist people? in monocultures.
You know where you have the most violence and aggression? Where you put two or more very different cultures together.

I love your logic, now if you could only pack that logic and take it back in time. Back to when the Europeans landed in Americas. "We are going to mix it all up and it s going to be grand".
Or when the British landed in Australia? How them Aborigines come out on top of that deal?

A nation is a set of people with a common sense of history, culture and values. You destroy the culture, the history and scatter the people. They cannot unite or organise and then you can enslave them.

I look at the Irish nation, sold out for magic beans and enslaved by debt and an invisible government in Europe, with an unelected leader and it is the end of democracy and citizens rights silenced by political correctness.

So Ireland’s problems have nothing to do with the greed during the celtic bubble?
Always easier to blame someone else.

skooterblue2

Ipso wrote: »

So Ireland’s problems have nothing to do with the greed during the celtic bubble?
Always easier to blame someone else.

Yup you will find that it is the Irish that are being blamed for the Irish banking crisis. And truth there is a drop of truth in it. The real truth is that the Irish Banks were sold AAA bonds by German and French banks that were linked to American Equities. That is the real truth. You will find that most stable interests were not shaken by domestic events but rather investments they had in foreign portfolios in high risk ventures. You will find due to weak leadership we agreed to much more than our fair share of European banking crisis.

batgoat

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Can you name the the definitive head of the European Union or his or her role and title? Cos I sure as hell cant
Can you tell me what went on in the European Parliament today?

You can literally watch the entire session in the European Parliament, it's separated by discussion on the European Parliament website.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/plenary/en/debates-video.html

What is the negative impact of no definitive head? The institutions have presidents, so the two executives have a president each. And the legislature has its own president. We are represented in the EU and we elect our representatives, it's literally operating as a democracy....