Fox hunting

garv123

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Shooting is fine , if you can do one clean shot ( most can’t .)

Care to elaborate ?

gozunda wrote: »

Yes as a farmer landowners sometimes do need to either disperse or deal with a fox and Imo hounds are often the best way to do so.

How many foxes a year do you get on your hunt? Rifle and a lamp would be 100 times better.
Im not against the hunt, but your clutching at straws now claiming its a better method to control foxes than shooting. I cant think of 1 reason how it would be a better way.

gozunda

garv123 wrote: »

Care to elaborate ?
How many foxes a year do you get on your hunt? Rifle and a lamp would be 100 times better.
Im not against the hunt, but your clutching at straws now claiming its a better method to control foxes than shooting. I cant think of 1 reason how it would be a better way.

That's the thing. It's not about taking out loads of foxes. It's more about managing populations locally. Landowners will sometimes ask that a fox which is causing problems be removed. So theres no fixed number. Other times it just a case of dispersing foxes and making them human and livestock shy which hunting is very good way to do it. I'd agree if the goal was go clear out foxes the shooting would be the way to go. But most landowners I know don't want that either as it causes foxes from other areas to come in and repeat the cycle. Hunting also tends to account for more old and sick foxes as a young healthy fox (which is less likley to predate imo) will easily outrun hounds and be gone.

brianmax88

Unearthly wrote: »

Suddenly being a vegetarian or vegan gives you plus points.

That's how I know these pro animal cruelty hunters are losing the argument because I've been in regular 'debates' with these pro hunters over not eating meat and can tell you they do not respect that choice at all

Just trying to nitpick at people to help hide their shameful pastime

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

gozunda

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc.

So forget about hunts dispersing or taking out a couple of foxes. It will be the widespread eradication of foxes as a species instead. You do really sometimes have to wonder about the absolute lack of logic inherent in a movement which wants to dictate what others should do and what others should eat but who also now want to play God by dictating which species will be allowed to live on this planet ...

Bigbagofcans

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

They will never have my respect - they're scum. How about these blood-thirsty people respect the foxes' lives instead?

Animal cruelty should never be seen as people's culture.

gozunda

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

They will never have my respect - they're scum. How about these blood-thirsty people respect the foxes' lives instead?Animal cruelty should never be seen as people's culture.

And that's your opinion. However its nothing to do with 'blood thirsty' whatever your having yourself. Where a landowner wants foxes dispersed or legal hunting and shooting should your personsal opinions or squimishness about 'foxes lives' override everyone else? The answer to that is no it doesn't.

AudreyHepburn

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

It’s a decision that doesn’t deserve respect and saying it’s part of their culture is a cop out.

Animal cruelty is never acceptable.

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It’s a decision that doesn’t deserve respect and saying it’s part of their culture is a cop out. Animal cruelty is never acceptable.

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the end of the day. Not yours.

Bigbagofcans

gozunda wrote: »

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the end of the day. Not yours.

How is it not cruel? You're completely in denial and will go to any length to defend fox hunting.

Unearthly

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

How is it not cruel? You're completely in denial and will go to any length to defend fox hunting.

He lives a shameful life and it's clear to see the guilt is eating him

BattleCorp

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Apologies, I should have been more specific in my original post, the hunters were infact chasing a rabbit, not a fox.

Why is everybody getting their knickers in a twist? This was a fox hunt with no fox.

Bigbagofcans

BattleCorp wrote: »

Why is everybody getting their knickers in a twist? This was a fox hunt with no fox.

I'm not even referencing the OP's post, I'm condemning fox hunting in general. I will always get my knickers in a twist over this form of barbarism.

BattleCorp

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

I'm not even referencing the OP's post, I'm condemning fox hunting in general. I will always get my knickers in a twist over this form of barbarism.

I don't hunt but do you have a problem with a fox hunt that doesn't have a fox, such as a trail hunt?

Discodog

The Tetrarch wrote: »

You will have to explain to us the "serious bad issue with racing mainly caused by betting".
How many horses race, how many races are run (totals), and how many bad issues with betting (numbers)?

I am surprised you have no issues with show jumping. Jumping is not a natural trait of horses.
The great Italian horse breeder Federico Tesio visited a friend's farm, a friend who trained steeplechasers. Tesio noticed at meal time that the horses congregated at a gate waiting to be let out so they could go and eat. The field was fenced at a height of a few feet. None of the horses jumped the fence, although they had jumped much bigger obstacles in races. He concluded that jumping was not a natural activity for a horse.

They will not jump unless taught to jump, and then will not jump unless they have to jump. You might say that if a rider falls off a horse in a race the horse will jump fences afterwards. That is because it is a herd animal and wants to stay with the herd, the other horses in the race.

Change your mind about show jumping. "Equestrian sport" sound nice, but it is not a natural activity.

You want greyhound racing phased out. That equates to wanting racing greyhounds eliminated. Think your ideas through to a conclusion.

I already answered that pages ago. Greyhounds, as a breed, aren't dependent on racing.

Discodog

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

I am a country person & it's never been part of my culture or the many country people that I know. Lots of things were part of our culture eg child labour but we grew up & realised that they were unacceptable.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the end of the day. Not yours.

It's also the opinion of many including vets. The RSPCA's Alex Ross, for the Campaign for the Protection of Hunted Animals, added: "We do not believe that foxes are a national pest or a national problem.

"We believe fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary. If there is a problem with a fox, then a skilled marksman is the only answer. But killing wild animals for pleasure should not be acceptable in this day and age."

Bigbagofcans

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't hunt but do you have a problem with a fox hunt that doesn't have a fox, such as a trail hunt?

A trail hunt, is that like drag hunting? As long as the people on horses don't interfere with other people's property or pets/livestock then I don't think I'd have a problem.

AudreyHepburn

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't hunt but do you have a probuulem with a fox hunt that doesn't have a fox, such as a trail hunt?

I’d definitely have a problem with it when it’s clear from examples given previously in the thread that hounds are not kept under any form of control.

If the hounds are controlled and people’s private property is respected then I have no problem with it.

AudreyHepburn

gozunda wrote: »

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the ende of the day. Not yours.

Hounds running a defenseless fox into exhaustion and tearing it apart whilst still alive isn’t cruel?

What planet to you live on? I’d hate to see what your idea of cruelty is.

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hounds running a defenseless fox into exhaustion and tearing it apart whilst still alive isn’t cruel?
What planet to you live on? I’d hate to see what your idea of cruelty is.

And thats is pure projection and and a very poor one at that. It's something you no obviously know nothing about and which you are pontificating on and on. The fox also tears apart what it kills once dead. So do hounds. That has been explained to you many times and yet you continue with the same rubbish. You also had no clue and tried to accuse the Bray terriers who are a Drag Hunt that they were hunting and had another go at english trail hunt.

Whatever planet you live on - Its not this one for sure.

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

He lives a shameful life and it's clear to see the guilt is eating him

Lol. The irony is amazing. You obviouly missed what was posted previously.

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc.

So forget about hunts dispersing or taking out a couple of foxes. It will be the widespread eradication of foxes as a species instead - by vegans! You do really sometimes have to wonder about the absolute lack of logic inherent in a movement which wants to dictate what others should do and what others should eat, wants to prevent well managed hunting but who now also want to play God by dictating which species will be allowed to live on this planet ...

AudreyHepburn

gozunda wrote: »

And thats is pure projection and and a very poor one at that. It's something you no obviously know nothing about and which you are pontificating on and on. The fox also tears apart what it kills once dead. Soup do hounds. That has been explained to you many times and yet you continue with the same rubbish. You also had no clue and tried to accuse the Bray terriers who are a Drag Hunt that they were hunting and had another go at english trail hunt.

Whatever planet you live on - Its not this one for sure.

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.

Can you really not see the difference?

AllForIt

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.

Can you really not see the difference?

Well, how did the fox prey die in the first place?

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.
Can you really not see the difference?

OK Once again for the hard of understanding. Foxes tear up what they've killed after it's dead. Hounds do the exact same thing. No difference whatsoever.

Your attempt to smear hounds as deranged horror hounds or something is hillarious.

Bigbagofcans

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. The irony is amazing. You obviouly missed what was posted previously.

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc

You're still harping on about vegans and you've hundreds of posts on the Vegan forum. I doubt a vegan would be able to post loads on the Hunting forum.

ollkiller

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

No one was blaming the cats either, they were blaming your parents.

For the record I think fox hunting should be banned, equally so should allowing cats to roam. Dog owners are held accountable for damage to property, wildlife and persons. Cats should be no different. Your post is very hypocritical.

I would love to know how you would go about stopping cats from roaming. Because once you let them outside they are gonna roam. It's just what they do.

Blazer

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

Dog owners are held accountable for damage to property, wildlife and persons. Cats should be no different. Your post is very hypocritical.

They’re cats, not bloody lions and tigers mauling sheep and people across the country.
Christ you read some fair ****e on here sometimes but the above takes the biscuit.

Deebles McBeebles

I find next door's cats learned very quickly to stay away from my garden so, if anyone has an issue with cats, get some dogs.

I do think cat owners should stick a bell on their cats, they get fed at home, there's no need for them to hunt birds etc.

Maybe we could do the same with human hunters.

gozunda

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

You're still harping on about vegans and you've hundreds of posts on the Vegan forum. I doubt a vegan would be able to post loads on the Hunting forum.

Afaik its an open discussion on boards - You can post where you like. And funnily enough there's more posts about farmers and farming and attacks on same than otherwise. Also plenty of vegans have posted on the farming forum. Is that strange eh?

And a number of self declared one have declared they're here and are pontificating about hunting is cruel etc and even some petty name calling. If they want ok. However I'm pointing the relevant fact and hypocrisy that the vegan movement movers and shakers want to completely eradicate wild predators because they believe that predators are 'cruel'. Now Where have I heard that before?

Feisar

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A trail hunt, is that like drag hunting? As long as the people on horses don't interfere with other people's property or pets/livestock then I don't think I'd have a problem.

Maybe it was just a turn of phrase and I am not one to nit pick however you dont think you'd have a problem!?!