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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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    #482
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    It's used with great success on gambling sites, crypto currency exchanges etc. So all of a sudden it's not going to work anymore because it would used to verify minors identities. As long as the site operates within the law whoever is administering it is irrelevant.

    Sadly not on Boards.ie it appears.

    I don't believe you believe any of this to be honest. You have just dug your heels too far in that you refuse to apply common sense to the point that the more ignorant you come across in your posts, the more you are getting a buzz out of the debate and people challenging your so called opinions.

    Classic ........... well you know what word I want to put in here.


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    #483
    [Deleted User]
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Obviously there would be an adult monitoring discussions to ensure that it's all above board.

    Obviously to who?
    Nothing I have seen makes this obvious, in fact, quite the opposite


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    #484
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,083 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    I saw this on Good Morning America a while back, and could not believe that everybody in the audience and the presenters thought this as a good news story. If the Child Protection Services had any courage, they should have acted straight after this show.


    You where watching a controlled media broadcast!


    Everything in the media is one hundred percent controlled to push an agenda.


    If you want local examples go download a very popular Irish news sites app....


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    #485
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    Some of the posts of this thread have also been really disturbing - to the point I really hope those posters don't have children.

    Well one of them, Brian, freely offered up the information that he has two sons younger than Desmond and that he "doesn't know" if adult men throwing dollar bills at his scantily clad kids gyrating would bother him or not.

    Grim.


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    #486
    The Talking Bread
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Well one of them, Brian, freely offered up the information that he has two sons younger than Desmond and that he "doesn't know" if adult men throwing dollar bills at his scantily clad kids gyrating would bother him or not.

    Grim.

    He said being out late was his only real determined concern!


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    #487
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    I don't believe you believe any of this to be honest. You have just dug your heels too far in that you refuse to apply common sense to the point that the more ignorant you come across in your posts, the more you are getting a buzz out of the debate and people challenging your so called opinions.

    Classic ........... well you know what word I want to put in here.

    So people aren't entitled to have different opinions anymore they must agree with what the majority thinks and not see things from different point of view. I see nothing wrong with what he is doing since it is what he wants to do and nobody in this thread has yet to provide any evidence to the contrary it's all heresy and outrage nothing concrete at all and that somehow makes me the crazy one?


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    #488
    How Soon Is Now
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    So people aren't entitled to have different opinions anymore they must agree with what the majority thinks and not see things from different point of view. I see nothing wrong with what he is doing since it is what he wants to do and nobody in this thread has yet to provide any evidence to the contrary it's all heresy and outrage nothing concrete at all and that somehow makes me the crazy one?


    The evidence is in his age!


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    #489
    [Deleted User]
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    So people aren't entitled to have different opinions anymore they must agree with what the majority thinks and not see things from different point of view

    Not when it is about child protection.
    This is explotation, which is a child protection issue.
    There really is no other point of view


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    #490
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    As long as the site operates within the law whoever is administering it is irrelevant.

    Jesus Christ. Is this legit?

    So you'd have no issue with a paedo operating an online site for kids (with parents blocked), as long as the site operates within the law.


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    #491
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Eh no it would be fairly simple to ensure that only the targeted audience get access to the site via a photo verification system in which each participant would be verified through a photo. Obviously there would be an adult monitoring discussions to ensure that it's all above board.

    Sounds like you'd love that job yourself.


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    #492
    The Talking Bread
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    So people aren't entitled to have different opinions anymore they must agree with what the majority thinks and not see things from different point of view. I see nothing wrong with what he is doing since it is what he wants to do and nobody in this thread has yet to provide any evidence to the contrary it's all heresy and outrage nothing concrete at all and that somehow makes me the crazy one?

    No, but you have an answer to everything, and refuse to agree with every issue on a wide array of points that posters have made on the forum connected to the thread topic that can be deemed criticism. I haven't seen you once accept any logical point someone makes, you are just in full defence mode, there is no acceptance of any element of criticism. That is no coincidence. So I refuse to believe you are doing anything but arguing for the sake of arguing at this stage and it is hard to take someone's posts seriously as you know they will reject any sort of critical points proferred around the the subject.


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    #493
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Serious bang of Jimmy Saville enabling from this thread


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    #494
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Not when it is about child protection.
    This is explotation, which is a child protection issue.
    There really is no other point of view

    This is the crux of the issue. Have you got proof that he is being exploited? I stand by my previous point in that he wants to do it. So therefore, it is not child exploitation nor is it a child protection issue.


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    #495
    erica74
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Sounds like you'd love that job yourself.

    I am genuinely not saying this in a humorous way but I really am concerned about that poster's posts, the tone of them is very worrying.

    This thread is also very interesting in light of the Surviving R Kelly documentary and how the parents of those children also have a lot to answer for.


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    #496
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. Is this legit?

    So you'd have no issue with a paedo operating an online site for kids (with parents blocked), as long as the site operates within the law.

    Do you notice that ''within the law'' is trotted out all the time? It's legal, so no problem.


    I find that very sinister. Especially given the quality of some judges, a couple of months for incest or whatever you're having yourself. Not to mention the desire of not a few legislators to be seen as the wokest people in the world.


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    #497
    Plumbthedepths
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    Ever read someone's posts and think they are just on a windup ? Doubtful they would try and justify child abuse in the same manner in the off line world.


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    #498
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ever read someone's posts and think they are just on a windup ? Doubtful they would try and justify child abuse in the same manner in the off line world.

    I really really hope it's a wind up.


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    #499
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    This is the crux of the issue. Have you got proof that he is being exploited? I stand by my previous point in that he wants to do it. So therefore, it is not child exploitation nor is it a child protection issue.

    Kids want to do a lot of things that are not good for them. It's up to the adults in their life to protect them.
    If he wants to be a drag artist, then let him do it at home, in private for friends & family.
    Not for a night club full of grown men for money.
    I'm not sure how you are missing this point?


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    #500
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    No, but you have an answer to everything, and refuse to agree with every issue on a wide array of points that posters have made on the forum connected to the thread topic that can be deemed criticism. I haven't seen you once accept any logical point someone makes, you are just in full defence mode, there is no acceptance of any element of criticism. That is no coincidence. So I refuse to believe you are doing anything but arguing for the sake of arguing at this stage and it is hard to take someone's posts seriously as you know they will reject any sort of critical points proferred around the the subject.

    How can I agree with anyone's critical points/analysis when I fundamentally disagree with their interpretation of events. I should simply roll over and give in to the pressure of the majority and change my views/opinions simply because posters believe that they are "right" and there is no other possible interpretation of the events.


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    #501
    DontThankMe
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Kids want to do a lot of things that are not good for them. It's up to the adults in their life to protect them.
    If he wants to be a drag artist, then let him do it at home, in private for friends & family.
    Not for a night club full of grown men for money.
    I'm not sure how you are missing this point?

    You do realise that he is a professional drag performer. How can he be a professional if he doesn't perform for an audience his mother was there to supervise his performance to ensure that it was all above board so I don't have a problem with it.


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    #502
    The Talking Bread
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    Wind Up

    Wind Up

    Wind Up.



    .


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    #503
    Omackeral
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    This is the crux of the issue. Have you got proof that he is being exploited? I stand by my previous point in that he wants to do it. So therefore, it is not child exploitation nor is it a child protection issue.

    Your outlook is very dangerous. "If he wants to do it then it can't be a child protection issue". Apply that "logic" to a young girl/boy who thinks they're in love with an adult. They're doing what they want to do but the reality is that the balance of power is not equal. Could be dealing with statutory rape but sure the minor wants to so, and I quote, therefore it is not child exploitation.


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    #504
    Jumbo2018
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    How can I agree with anyone's critical points/analysis when I fundamentally disagree with their interpretation of events. I should simply roll over and give in to the pressure of the majority and change my views/opinions simply because posters believe that they are "right" and there is no other possible interpretation of the events.

    Quite amazing that boards is allowing you to even take this position continually and you haven't been permabanned. Pretty sick to be using this kind of issue for a wind up if that is what you're doing .

    Bad look for the website when one of the mods of the website has taken a similar position and apparently that's OK.

    Seems like being tolerant is a lot more important these days than being right.


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    #505
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    You do realise that he is a professional drag performer. How can he be a professional if he doesn't perform for an audience his mother was there to supervise his performance to ensure that it was all above board so I don't have a problem with it.

    The point being that he shouldn't be a professional drag performer.
    He is overly sexual. It's not just that performance, but the whole attitude & tweaking at gay pride festivals etc


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    retro:electro
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    This is the crux of the issue. Have you got proof that he is being exploited? I stand by my previous point in that he wants to do it. So therefore, it is not child exploitation nor is it a child protection issue.

    Actually it is a child protection issue, or at least it would be in this country. If we start from as simple as it being illegal for a child to be in that kind of venue at that hour of the morning, I can count at least five or six other abuses of his welfare in a thirty second clip. Children want to do plenty of things, but lack the rights to do them. That’s why adults, who, by and large have the congnitive capacity to make responsible decisions on their behalf, should always have their welfare as no.1 priority. That is except for the disgraceful creeps whooping and hollering at a child in a belly top in the video (and the ones on this thread who see no issue with same)


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    #507
    Omackeral
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    erica74 wrote: »
    I am genuinely not saying this in a humorous way but I really am concerned about that poster's posts, the tone of them is very worrying.

    My hope is that this chap is ripping the p*ss and that the other fella with the two young sons is just a virtue-signaller.


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    #508
    gw80
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    How can I agree with anyone's critical points/analysis when I fundamentally disagree with their interpretation of events. I should simply roll over and give in to the pressure of the majority and change my views/opinions simply because posters believe that they are "right" and there is no other possible interpretation of the events.
    The majority of people on this thread think it's wrong, the majority of people offline thinks it's wrong, sometimes when your opinions go against the majority you may want to sit back, in a quiet room on your own, and have a serious chat with yourself,you might come to the conclusion that you were wrong,and that's ok.


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    #509
    How Soon Is Now
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    My hope is that this chap is ripping the p*ss and that the other fella with the two young sons is just a virtue-signaller.
    I dont think either of them are taking the piss. Theres enough posters on here who im sure would back them up. This is a part of Irish society now unfortunately.


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    #510
    mzungu
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    DontThankMe wrote: »
    How can I agree with anyone's critical points/analysis when I fundamentally disagree with their interpretation of events. I should simply roll over and give in to the pressure of the majority and change my views/opinions simply because posters believe that they are "right" and there is no other possible interpretation of the events.

    How else would you interpret a 10 year old dancing like a stripper in a nightclub and being thrown dollar bills by the clientele? :confused:


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    #511
    DontThankMe
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    retro:electro wrote: »
    Actually it is a child protection issue, or at least it would be in this country.

    But it didn't happen in this country and his performance complied with the laws of the jurisdiction in which he performed therefore, it is not child exploitation nor is it a child protection issue. If the same thing happen in this country then yes it would be a child protection issue but it did not so it is not in this case.


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