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Legislation to make organ donations automatic

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    #482
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what the hell are you talking about convictions for? malpractice suits are civil cases not criminal

    Either way if it is settled in favour of the plaintiff then the insurance cost rise, if the insurance costs exceeds of doing business the doctor cannot practice (if this happens enough times). The choice to pay out or challenge it is made by the insurance company. Obviously if the doctor is young and not wanting an extended court case they will want to settle out of court.


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    #483
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Either way if it is settled in favour of the plaintiff then the insurance cost rise, if the insurance costs exceeds of doing business the doctor cannot practice (if this happens enough times). The choice to pay out or challenge it is made by the insurance company. Obviously if the doctor is young and not wanting an extended court case they will want to settle out of court.

    Would you ever shut up with your tinfoil ****e, you've wrecked the thread.


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    #484
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Dont you have a conviction for something?

    You tell me seeing as you claim to know so much that you can make accusations like that against another poster!


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    #485
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Would you ever shut up with your tinfoil ****e, you've wrecked the thread.

    I am sorry did I hurt your feelings? I suggest pseudocreme for the tender area.


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    #486
    Ariadne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ariadne


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I am sorry did I hurt your feelings? I suggest pseudocreme for the tender area.

    So now sudocrem isn't even real???!

    :p:D


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    #487
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Succubus_ wrote: »
    So now sudocrem isn't even real???!

    :p:D

    On the contrary, it works wonders on creaky rusty stars. I wish I could pass around a tub of it here! :P :D:D:D:D


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    #488
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,389 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Proposed legislation to provide an opt-out system of consent for deceased organ donation is to be published.

    Following a long road of political and public consultation, the general scheme of the Human Tissue Bill will be announced by Minister for Health Simon Harris this afternoon.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0502/1046981-organ-donation/

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #489
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Proposed legislation to provide an opt-out system of consent for deceased organ donation is to be published.

    Following a long road of political and public consultation, the general scheme of the Human Tissue Bill will be announced by Minister for Health Simon Harris this afternoon.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0502/1046981-organ-donation/

    That's good. It's been a long time coming. I hope the draft legislation is solid and can be amended to assuage opponents' fears.


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    #490
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Hopefully the courts put a stop to this. Consent cannot be presumed.


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    #491
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Hopefully the courts put a stop to this. Consent cannot be presumed.

    If it saves lives then i hope the courts throw out every single objection.


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    #492
    gaelwave
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 78 ✭✭gaelwave


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Hopefully the courts put a stop to this. Consent cannot be presumed.

    My body my choice.


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    #493
    robarmstrong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭robarmstrong


    In my opinion, there is absolutely no reason as to why a human being who has passed away should not have to provide organ donations. Why would your family want your organs after you've croaked? Why would you want to hold onto your organs after you've croaked? I would believe it's a selfless act that could positively impact the lives of so many others.

    G'luck to whoever gets my eyes though I've god awful sight.


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    #494
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    gaelwave wrote: »
    My body my choice.

    Correct, and anyone can choose not to be a donor.


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    #495
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,372 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    In my opinion, there is absolutely no reason as to why a human being who has passed away should not have to provide organ donations. Why would your family want your organs after you've croaked? Why would you want to hold onto your organs after you've croaked? I would believe it's a selfless act that could positively impact the lives of so many others.

    G'luck to whoever gets my eyes though I've god awful sight.

    or any poor fecker who gets my kidneys.


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    #496
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Correct, and anyone can choose not to be a donor.

    Consent cannot be presumed. It's pathetic the govt talking about consent and colleges giving classes on consent, but then deciding consent about something so personal for the masses. Reeks of do as I say, not as I do.


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    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Hopefully the courts put a stop to this. Consent cannot be presumed.

    Yes it can. It's called tacit consent. We all give tacit consent to abide by the laws of the country or break them subject to penalty. Nobody ever asked you to consent to the laws of the state. It's assumed.

    It's obviously different to other kinds of consent like sex.

    I have no problem with it as long as it's easy to opt out. I found the welsh opt out option with three clicks before. That's fine as far as I'm concerned


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    #498
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,965 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Yes it can. It's called tacit consent. We all give tacit consent to abide by the laws of the country or break them subject to penalty. Nobody ever asked you to consent to the laws of the state. It's assumed.

    Speak for yourself, I'm a "freeman of the land" ;)


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    #499
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    Alex Jones was right. They're going after our organs.


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    #500
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    Alex Jones was right. They're going after our organs.

    Never in a million years.


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    #501
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    Alex Jones was right. They're going after our organs.

    Solidarity brother. The Soros lackeys will just lap this up. Now excise me, I have a Sandy Hook crisis actor to speak truth to.


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    #502
    tjhook
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭tjhook


    I think the government should be more honest. Stop calling it "organ donation". Donation is an act - I.e. the person performing the donation is actively doing so.

    Taking organs unless you object - that's not donation, that's appropriation.

    If they're honest, they'll rename it "organ appropriation".


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    #503
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    gaelwave wrote: »
    My body my choice.

    Not your body anymore. Not when you’re dead.


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    #504
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Candamir wrote: »
    Not your body anymore. Not when you’re dead.

    But you still get the choice about what happens after you're dead. That's right and proper.

    This is a complete storm in a teacup. Anyone who cares enough to Google "organ donation opt out" and tick the box, will be opted out. Those who don't care enough to do that, obviously don't care one way or the other. So I'm confident that anyone who wants to opt out will do so.


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    #505
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    When our Health Minister shows proof that he's also choosing to donate his organs on passing then I'll do it. Until then, I'm out !


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    #506
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    When our Health Minister shows proof that he's also choosing to donate his organs on passing then I'll do it. Until then, I'm out !

    I couldn't give a damn on if he is... In the event of my organs being useful to a person upon my death, they're free to take them. You're coming across as a tad petty.


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    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    When our Health Minister shows proof that he's also choosing to donate his organs on passing then I'll do it. Until then, I'm out !

    Ok. You’re free to opt out - or you will soon be free to opt out. But you have no right to ask for anyone else’s medical information. He can volunteer his info if he wants but it’s silly to expect anyone to share that kind of personal info. and I wouldn’t criticise him whether he opts out or not. It’s a person decision.


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    #508
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    When our Health Minister shows proof that he's also choosing to donate his organs on passing then I'll do it. Until then, I'm out !

    Maybe opt out of receiving an organ while you’re at it.


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    #509
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    But you still get the choice about what happens after you're dead. That's right and proper.

    This is a complete storm in a teacup. Anyone who cares enough to Google "organ donation opt out" and tick the box, will be opted out. Those who don't care enough to do that, obviously don't care one way or the other. So I'm confident that anyone who wants to opt out will do so.

    You don’t really. Your next of kin do, within reason. You can let them know your wishes, but there’s no obligation on them to carry out your wishes.
    Which is part of the problem with the current opt in system. Many people who have donor cards or who have expressed their wish to be donors after their death don’t have those wishes realised.

    I’m all for an opt out system. I’ve no use for my organs when I’m gone. If someone else can use them, they’re welcome to them.


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    #510
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    I will be opting out and making sure my relatives know my wishes, because I don't think I would trust government / the HSE to operate and maintain such an opt out list correctly or efficiently.

    With an opt out list, you can guarantee there will be mistakes made, and organs taken from those who otherwise would never have wanted their organs donated. I would be nervous about it.


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    #511
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    AulWan wrote: »
    I will be opting out and making sure my relatives know my wishes, because I don't think I would trust government / the HSE to operate and maintain such an opt out list correctly or efficiently.

    With an opt out list, you can guarantee there will be mistakes made, and organs taken from those who otherwise would never have wanted their organs donated. I would be nervous about it.

    Are you going to opt out as a recipient, you wouldn’t want someone elses violation to save you.


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