AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

LineOfBeauty

Really good episode, maybe even better than last week and I loved last week. Team Tazz might be my favourite thing in wrestling right now. One of those shows where you come away from it on a high. It's a great wrestling show, more than that though, it's just a great show atm. As easy a 2 hours as you'll find.

RollieFingers

That promo from Tazz was fantastic, really liked the whole segment. The difference between a promo like that and the wooden, scripted WWE promos is night and day. Powerhouse Hobbs looked great too. Cracking episode again from AEW.

The White Wolf

Gas that the response to Dominik in WWE is to start putting multiple young lads in front of the camera such as Tazz's and Gunn's nippers.

LineOfBeauty

The White Wolf wrote: »

Gas that the response to Dominik in WWE is to start putting multiple young lads in front of the camera such as Tazz's and Gunn's nippers.

I've doubts Dominik had an effect on any of that. I think the Gunns were probably front row on TV before Dominik even appeared on TV. And Tazz's son has apparently been training for about a year.

Neil3030

I didn't understand the ending to the Taz/Cody segment.

Taz keeps needling Cody until Cody brings up Taz's son training with him and not his father. This pissed Taz off to the point of choking Cody out. So I'm initially thinking, 'OK Taz doesn't get on with his son'.

No. Wait. Taz's son has magically appeared and is now leaving with Taz.

What am I missing here? How is any of this making any sense?

LineOfBeauty

Neil3030 wrote: »

I didn't understand the ending to the Taz/Cody segment.

Taz keeps needling Cody until Cody brings up Taz's son training with him and not his father. This pissed Taz off to the point of choking Cody out. So I'm initially thinking, 'OK Taz doesn't get on with his son'.

No. Wait. Taz's son has magically appeared and is now leaving with Taz.

What am I missing here? How is any of this making any sense?

In kayfabe, that Tazz's son chooses to train with his rival rather than him is obviously a sore point for a guy who they've established as a coach and mentor. Though the 1st time in AEW that Tazz gets physical and the stakes are clearly raised, Tazz's son is there for his dad because family means more than anything. This was not tough to follow.

J. Marston

Thought they were having their cake and eating it too with that segment. Breaking kayfabe with all the WWE-isms and Cody the Exec stuff while then wanting to maintain kayfabe at the same time with Tazz and his son storyline. Bit of a mess, in my opinion.

beakerjoe

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

In kayfabe, that Tazz's son chooses to train with his rival rather than him is obviously a sore point for a guy who they've established as a coach and mentor. Though the 1st time in AEW that Tazz gets physical and the stakes are clearly raised, Tazz's son is there for his dad because family means more than anything. This was not tough to follow.

I dont think it made great sense though. Easy of follow yes, was the addition of Taz's son necessary? No.

Taz was brilliant, very real and natural. No doubt, Cody came across well too. No problems there in terms of his presence and delivery, but Im not a huge fan of how the segment turned to focus on Taz's son, Hook (has he a kid named Red too I wonder, silly name IMO. But thats neither here nor there).

Is Cody training Taz's son legit? God knows. From a kayfabe POV, why was Cody training him.

Cody and Taz are feuding, so why was Hook training with Cody to begin with? Thats a question that would shed more light on the situation.

Why wasn't he training with his Dad to begin with? His Dad is mentoring others, why is Hook going with Cody, esp when his Dad is feuding with Cody?

The part I don't get is, why train with Cody when your Dad is feuding with him. That part isn't clear.

I really don't think the addition of Hook will help the feud personally, the segment was fine without it. They are a blurring the lines too much here for my liking. What do they want us to believe here...... I agree with Martson above, pick a lane. Burring the lines when it suits just doesnt work.

Besides that Dynamite was enjoyable TV.

Hobbs booked in a squash was the right move. I was fearful that they would go down the Trent Barretta vs Omega route (a match Omega should have squashed Trent, but went toe to toe....wrong call.)

Miro and Kip need to go away. There feud with best friends is doing nothing for me. Miro has been a heater for Kip. Not a huge fan of Kip, hes bland and hasn't enough personality to stand out against others who are better than him.

Miro though has potential but he's above being a glorified heater for Kip. Hes above it. His AEW career hasnt shown me any evidence that WWE were wrong to push him. He came in very cold, none of his qualities have been really presented well by AEW and for someone who could have excelled like Mox or Jericho, they haven't used him correctly at all in this "best man gimmick". Id love him to go away and reset a few months later.

Pac and Kingston is all kinds of viewing pleasure, Kingston is a natural and can be the Mick Foley of AEW. Underated, passionate and buckets of personality. While Miro is used awfully, Kingston is being used perfectly.

Not a fan of Murderhawk and think its wrong to inject him into this feud. I dont hate Lance, but its the little things that annoy me. Yes his look is unique but its silly looking. Shave his head and lose the toilet chain on the back of his head. Why start him into a feud now with Kingston? The DT v Kingstons crew is fine as is, it doesn't need an "is he a face" Lance Archer involved, find something else for him.

Im getting sick of the inner circle but I enjoyed the match with SCU. But I dont wanna see Jericho wrestle Kazerian next week. I wanna see more Scorpio Sky and less Jericho. I feel the dropped the ball with Sky after his match with World Champ Jericho, but I get they cant push everyone.

Mox and Omega is a nice simple build. Kenny did better on the mic this week and their story is developing nicely. No complaints here. The added bonus of who attacked Mox is interesting..... hoping its the Bucks.

Page and Silver was a good opener. I dont mind Silver getting more offence here as the story is Page loosing his way. Hopefully the DO and Page stuff leads somewhere good, like a Lee vs Page match.

Tag team match was short but fun. The Martin Bros look like a team with fantastic potential.

The womens match was ok, wasnt a huge fan of it but I think thats more because the division needs better booking. Its way off NXTs female division.

But an overall good show.

beakerjoe

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Taz doing the Kata ha jime

His sons ring name Hook so I’m guessing he’s going to be a shooter.

Also Powerhouse Hobbs is so old school it's great.

Powerhouse Hobbs suits so well. I feel he has the look of a great heater, while I dont hate his booking thus far (its been great), I feel he'd be a better heater for Kip than Miro. He has a great "henchman" look.

Agent Coulson

beakerjoe wrote: »

Mox and Omega is a nice simple build. Kenny did better on the mic this week and their story is developing nicely. No complaints here. The added bonus of who attacked Mox is interesting..... hoping its the Bucks.

I'm seriously hoping it's KENTA who called Mox out a few weeks ago and with Mox going over to NJPW it's the start of the two companies working together,

beakerjoe

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'm seriouly hoping it's KENTA who called Mox out a few weeks agao and with MOX going over to NJPW it's the start of the two companies working together,

Thats another good explaination, maybe too soon to be the Bucks.

The White Wolf

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I've doubts Dominik had an effect on any of that. I think the Gunns were probably front row on TV before Dominik even appeared on TV. And Tazz's son has apparently been training for about a year.

There seems to be a second Gunn young fella there now that wasn't until recently. Might be wrong. Looks quite young.

The White Wolf

beakerjoe wrote: »

Thats another good explaination, maybe too soon to be the Bucks.

Let's be real, it's never too soon for the Bucks to play utter cretinous heels.

Neil3030

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

In kayfabe, that Tazz's son chooses to train with his rival rather than him is obviously a sore point for a guy who they've established as a coach and mentor. Though the 1st time in AEW that Tazz gets physical and the stakes are clearly raised, Tazz's son is there for his dad because family means more than anything. This was not tough to follow.

See this:

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont think it made great sense though. Easy of follow yes, was the addition of Taz's son necessary? No.

Taz was brilliant, very real and natural. No doubt, Cody came across well too. No problems there in terms of his presence and delivery, but Im not a huge fan of how the segment turned to focus on Taz's son, Hook (has he a kid named Red too I wonder, silly name IMO. But thats neither here nor there).

Is Cody training Taz's son legit? God knows. From a kayfabe POV, why was Cody training him.

Cody and Taz are feuding, so why was Hook training with Cody to begin with? Thats a question that would shed more light on the situation.

Why wasn't he training with his Dad to begin with? His Dad is mentoring others, why is Hook going with Cody, esp when his Dad is feuding with Cody?

The part I don't get is, why train with Cody when your Dad is feuding with him. That part isn't clear.

I really don't think the addition of Hook will help the feud personally, the segment was fine without it. They are a blurring the lines too much here for my liking. What do they want us to believe here...... I agree with Martson above, pick a lane. Burring the lines when it suits just doesnt work.

1. Hook training with Cody is fine, furthers the idea that Taz is such a jerk, his own kid abandoned him, etc. Plenty you can do with that.

2. Hook showing up at the end to side with his father vs Cody would also be fine.

But you can't have both of these developments crammed into the same segment we first hear about Hook even existing. The two threads completely contradict each other and force you to fill in the gaps yourself, in your case, LineOfBeauty, that family wins out etc.

You can't set the context AND have the plot twist all at once. There's a difference between suspense and confusion.

ConcertKing

beakerjoe wrote: »

Not a fan of Murderhawk and think its wrong to inject him into this feud. I dont hate Lance, but its the little things that annoy me. Yes his look is unique but its silly looking. Shave his head and lose the toilet chain on the back of his head. Why start him into a feud now with Kingston? The DT v Kingstons crew is fine as is, it doesn't need an "is he a face" Lance Archer involved, find something else for him.

Suggesting Archer shave his head is one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever read on any forum ever!

Personally think Archer and Eddie Kingston will be a brilliant match when it happens as there has been needle there since the Casino Battle Royale!

Neil3030

Jake had a hand in Undertaker's babyface turn, so I'm sure he'd have a few ideas for the eventual Archer turn.

beakerjoe

ConcertKing wrote: »

Suggesting Archer shave his head is one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever read on any forum ever!

Personally think Archer and Eddie Kingston will be a brilliant match when it happens as there has been needle there since the Casino Battle Royale!

Why is it that stupid? Bit of an over reaction no?

He looks like a tool with his current do. It doesn't make him look impressive.

Yes their match could be great but you missed the point .... does it need to happen while hes just begun feuding with Pac who just returned.

ConcertKing

beakerjoe wrote: »

Why is it that stupid? Bit of an over reaction no?

He looks like a tool with his current do. It doesn't make him look impressive.

Yes their match could be great but you missed the point .... does it need to happen while hes just begun feuding with Pac who just returned.

And you clearly missed mine!

Archer looks very impressive but each to their own!

beakerjoe

ConcertKing wrote: »

And you clearly missed mine!

Archer looks very impressive but each to their own!

Ok spell out what your point is.

I never said he didnt look impressive. His hairstyle doesnt add to his allure as a monster. He looks impressive to a point, but when you see the dyed red long tail it takes away from his overall package.

J. Marston

Miro has been the wrestling free transfer equivalent of Alexis Sanchez.

What a flop.

Omackeral

I love Archer’s hair because it makes him look different. Same as Strowman when he had that undercut long hair, just a pure “wrestling” hairstyle. Now he just looks like Big Show light. There’s hundreds of bald fellas. The Butcher’s skullet looks awesome on him. I’d hate him to go full chrome dome. Standing out is good.

Thought this week’s show was class by the way. The two hours flies in and there’s just enough of everything to enjoy. Miro needs to get away from this gaming sh*te though, a truly awful gimmick.

Loughc

J. Marston wrote: »

Miro has been the wrestling free transfer equivalent of Alexis Sanchez.

What a flop.

Don’t forget Zack Ryder now that he’s free of the mean WWE machine was going to show everyone just how WWE under-utilised him.

Even his best friend wouldn’t push him.

The White Wolf

J. Marston wrote: »

Miro has been the wrestling free transfer equivalent of Alexis Sanchez.

What a flop.

AND he's a Real Madrid fan. Total waster. :pac:

LineOfBeauty

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont think it made great sense though. Easy of follow yes, was the addition of Taz's son necessary? No.

Taz was brilliant, very real and natural. No doubt, Cody came across well too. No problems there in terms of his presence and delivery, but Im not a huge fan of how the segment turned to focus on Taz's son, Hook (has he a kid named Red too I wonder, silly name IMO. But thats neither here nor there).

Is Cody training Taz's son legit? God knows. From a kayfabe POV, why was Cody training him.

Cody and Taz are feuding, so why was Hook training with Cody to begin with? Thats a question that would shed more light on the situation.

Why wasn't he training with his Dad to begin with? His Dad is mentoring others, why is Hook going with Cody, esp when his Dad is feuding with Cody?

The part I don't get is, why train with Cody when your Dad is feuding with him. That part isn't clear.

I really don't think the addition of Hook will help the feud personally, the segment was fine without it. They are a blurring the lines too much here for my liking. What do they want us to believe here...... I agree with Martson above, pick a lane. Burring the lines when it suits just doesnt work.

Besides that Dynamite was enjoyable TV.

Hobbs booked in a squash was the right move. I was fearful that they would go down the Trent Barretta vs Omega route (a match Omega should have squashed Trent, but went toe to toe....wrong call.)

Miro and Kip need to go away. There feud with best friends is doing nothing for me. Miro has been a heater for Kip. Not a huge fan of Kip, hes bland and hasn't enough personality to stand out against others who are better than him.

Miro though has potential but he's above being a glorified heater for Kip. Hes above it. His AEW career hasnt shown me any evidence that WWE were wrong to push him. He came in very cold, none of his qualities have been really presented well by AEW and for someone who could have excelled like Mox or Jericho, they haven't used him correctly at all in this "best man gimmick". Id love him to go away and reset a few months later.

Pac and Kingston is all kinds of viewing pleasure, Kingston is a natural and can be the Mick Foley of AEW. Underated, passionate and buckets of personality. While Miro is used awfully, Kingston is being used perfectly.

Not a fan of Murderhawk and think its wrong to inject him into this feud. I dont hate Lance, but its the little things that annoy me. Yes his look is unique but its silly looking. Shave his head and lose the toilet chain on the back of his head. Why start him into a feud now with Kingston? The DT v Kingstons crew is fine as is, it doesn't need an "is he a face" Lance Archer involved, find something else for him.

Im getting sick of the inner circle but I enjoyed the match with SCU. But I dont wanna see Jericho wrestle Kazerian next week. I wanna see more Scorpio Sky and less Jericho. I feel the dropped the ball with Sky after his match with World Champ Jericho, but I get they cant push everyone.

Mox and Omega is a nice simple build. Kenny did better on the mic this week and their story is developing nicely. No complaints here. The added bonus of who attacked Mox is interesting..... hoping its the Bucks.

Page and Silver was a good opener. I dont mind Silver getting more offence here as the story is Page loosing his way. Hopefully the DO and Page stuff leads somewhere good, like a Lee vs Page match.

Tag team match was short but fun. The Martin Bros look like a team with fantastic potential.

The womens match was ok, wasnt a huge fan of it but I think thats more because the division needs better booking. Its way off NXTs female division.

But an overall good show.

It's simple and accomplishes two things at once. The first is it adds a little extra juice to the Team Tazz/Nightmare Family (and Darby) feud, it gives Tazz something else to gripe about and keeps his character grounded in some kind of reality (ie he's not just a lunatic shouting all the time, he cares about his son) the 2nd thing is it introduces Hook. I doubt he will be a fixture on TV and I'd really doubt that you'll see him work Dynamite yet but if you take a look around the Twitter machine, people in wrestling seem high on him, they say he's a natural so it's cool to get a quick sighting of him. For whatever is going on here, cos I've not seen any arguments against this segment, the 5 seconds of screen time for Tazz's son has really gotten to people.

That's what winds up Tazz in kayfabe. That his son trains with Cody (which is legit, he's in the QT Marshall school). That's the reason for Tazz's reaction when Cody brings this up.

Again this was the 1st time this was mentioned, week 1. What other show, wrestling or non wrestling, would be better if they had to cram weeks worth of stories into a 5 minute monologue? And, here's the thing, I understand why wrestling fans assume that's how it should be done, because they've watched WWE there whole lives and that's how they tell stories, they literally hand hold their audience through everything, it's easy. AEW have their booking rythyms, give it time, not everything is given to you at once in this company.

Also on the women's thing it's not as far as you think, AEW have 3 different main roster female feuds taking place simultaneously, that's not bad.

beakerjoe

Omackeral wrote: »

I love Archer’s hair because it makes him look different. Same as Strowman when he had that undercut long hair, just a pure “wrestling” hairstyle. Now he just looks like Big Show light. There’s hundreds of bald fellas. The Butcher’s skullet looks awesome on him. I’d hate him to go full chrome dome. Standing out is good.

Thought this week’s show was class by the way. The two hours flies in and there’s just enough of everything to enjoy. Miro needs to get away from this gaming sh*te though, a truly awful gimmick.

I get what you say, I just disagree in Archers case. Yeah he stands out but I think he looks silly with the red tail.

Its a very easy watch and its rarely a choir. Yes there are parts I hated in the last 2 weeks, the inner circle Vegas trip, anything with Miro and Kip, but the awesome outweighs the negatives.

beakerjoe

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

It's simple and accomplishes two things at once. The first is it adds a little extra juice to the Team Tazz/Nightmare Family (and Darby) feud, it gives Tazz something else to gripe about and keeps his character grounded in some kind of reality (ie he's not just a lunatic shouting all the time, he cares about his son) the 2nd thing is it introduces Hook. I doubt he will be a fixture on TV and I'd really doubt that you'll see him work Dynamite yet but if you take a look around the Twitter machine, people in wrestling seem high on him, they say he's a natural so it's cool to get a quick sighting of him. For whatever is going on here, cos I've not seen any arguments against this segment, the 5 seconds of screen time for Tazz's son has really gotten to people.

That's what winds up Tazz in kayfabe. That his son trains with Cody (which is legit, he's in the QT Marshall school). That's the reason for Tazz's reaction when Cody brings this up.

Again this was the 1st time this was mentioned, week 1. What other show, wrestling or non wrestling, would be better if they had to cram weeks worth of stories into a 5 minute monologue? And, here's the thing, I understand why wrestling fans assume that's how it should be done, because they've watched WWE there whole lives and that's how they tell stories, they literally hand hold their audience through everything, it's easy. AEW have their booking rythyms, give it time, not everything is given to you at once in this company.

Also on the women's thing it's not as far as you think, AEW have 3 different main roster female feuds taking place simultaneously, that's not bad.

Ah of course things can be explained eventually, but initially it didnt work for me.

It just introduced Hook to me and hes training with Cody over his dad then he sides with his dad straigh away after. Yes, if hes being legit trained by Cody thats fine, but without the why is he being trained over his dad kayfabe wise, it leaves a few blanks at first.

But yeah it can be explained. I watch every week and Ive no problem waiting and see. Many things dont appear to made logical sense at first in pro wrestling and this is no different. My initial response is just to this inital presentation.

In relation to the womens division, yeah thinks can change in a few months but right now they are behind. A few women in NXT can main event a PPV right now (though to be fair the lack of strength in the mens division helps that too.). The same cant be said for AEW. Their champion is mid card level and needs a great feud to elevate her. Yes they have plenty if talent but they need more time to get to NXTs level. That said AEW have beem unlucky with injuries and covid. Had things of went better I may be saying the opposite.

Kris was getting over more and more and then injured. Baker is doing great character work and was making progress in in ring, but shes lacking over all IMO in ring and the injury did her no favours.

Thunder Rosa looks great though and is their strongest female IMO (though is she AEW ?)

But I do agree with the right progress and luck they could be up there with NXT in a few months.

Omackeral

I will say I’m not mad on the NWA women’s title being in the mix. Would much rather they focus on their own title, like they did last night. My missus is getting into AEW and explaining the different titles with all different initials is hard enough without this too. AEW, TNT, FTW and now NWA.

That’s before we even get to tag teams FTR, SCU, PnP, TH2 or the jobbers from Dark such as VSK, KTB and D3!

beakerjoe

Omackeral wrote: »

I will say I’m not mad on the NWA women’s title being in the mix. Would much rather they focus on their own title, like they did last night. My missus is getting into AEW and explaining the different titles with all different initials is hard enough without this too. AEW, TNT, FTW and now NWA.

That’s before we even get to tag teams FTR, SCU, PnP, TH2 or the jobbers from Dark such as VSK, KTB and D3!

If it leads to Thunder Rosa being a more permanent fixture then Im all for it.

Omackeral

I like Thunder Rosa and I didn’t mind her facing Hikaru Shida on the PPV but I don’t like them promoting two Women’s world titles. Which is more prestigious? Which should we be more invested in? The NWA one has more lineage but it was pre show on last PPV. AEW women’s title is their own and should be top billed but their champ is often just in the crowd. I think it was fine having the NWA belt as a one and done for an introduction to Thunder but after that leave it there. It takes away from their own fledgling title.

Was glad to see focus return to the eponymous championship this week.

beakerjoe

Omackeral wrote: »

I like Thunder Rosa and I didn’t mind her facing Hikaru Shida on the PPV but I don’t like them promoting two Women’s world titles. Which is more prestigious? Which should we be more invested in? The NWA one has more lineage but it was pre show on last PPV. AEW women’s title is their own and should be top billed but their champ is often just in the crowd. I think it was fine having the NWA belt as a one and done for an introduction to Thunder but after that leave it there. It takes away from their own fledgling title.

Was glad to see focus return to the eponymous championship this week.

I think it all depends on how far they are willing to push Rosa.

She has come in as a champion and presented like a star. If the goal is for Rosa to dethrone Shida then I see no issue with it.

Rosa for me can lead the divison. Shida is a fine wrestler but I dont think she connects with me enough to be a long term champ. AEW havent shown me enough of her personality to get behind her.