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Connacht Vs Ulster build up thread ( insert smart joke about both provinces here)

  • 27-12-2018 12:44am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭connemara man


    Dan McFarland returns to Connacht as the coach of a rival province.

    The battle of the squad depth me thinks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Very much the undercard of the interpro weekend.

    Sort of the Hurd vs Welborn to the Fury vs Wilder in Thomond Park this weekend.

    They should let you lads play at half time actually, like the minis.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    troyzer wrote: »
    They should let you lads play at half time actually, like the minis.

    Well, it looks like Ulster are sending the kids down and Connacht should have the game won in fifteen minutes so it won't be far off the minis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Well, it looks like Ulster are sending the kids down and Connacht should have the game won in fifteen minutes so it won't be far off the minis.

    That gives them 65 minutes to throw it away again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,172 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Nothing wrong with that ulster team, should be a cracking game


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Ulster lineup is strong. I'd take the 4 points
    1st cap already for Fitzgerald n°2
    Buckey and SOB are fit, that is massive good news


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.

    It's true. Unless you'd argue that Connacht vs Ulster is a bigger draw?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,941 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.


    That's not a stereotype.....that's just normality...:D
    troyzer wrote: »
    It's true. Unless you'd argue that Connacht vs Ulster is a bigger draw?


    That depends on the size of your pencil.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    jacothelad wrote: »
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.


    That's not a stereotype.....that's just normality...:D
    troyzer wrote: »
    It's true. Unless you'd argue that Connacht vs Ulster is a bigger draw?


    That depends on the size of your pencil.:D

    HB mate.


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    troyzer wrote: »
    It's true. Unless you'd argue that Connacht vs Ulster is a bigger draw?

    I think it might well be the better game. Connacht were box office last weekend at times, absolute joy to watch. Ulster are on a roll and will have an axe to grind.

    Leinster Munster hasn't been anything much to write home about of late, not as much bite and the match threads suggest supporters are similarly subdued about it.

    I'll watch both, if I was a neutral I'd say I'd be equally as excited for one as the other.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,941 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    troyzer wrote: »
    HB mate.


    Too soft. You need a 4H.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Ulster fans are right sometimes, taken from their own forum :
    Poster wrote:
    Moore versus Buckley will be one of the key contests. Buckley is criminally underrated by Joe Schidt but takes apart every scrum he goes against. Not sure what else he can do to get a cap

    Other Poster answer :
    Move to Leinster.

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    troyzer wrote: »
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.

    It's true. Unless you'd argue that Connacht vs Ulster is a bigger draw?

    If you’re concerned about declaring the box office billing of a game unrelated to this thread, then yes you’ve already gone over the obnoxious line.

    Right up there with the Cummiskeys, Fitzgeralds, and Fannings of the world, who remind you where any Leinster player not playing for Leinster is actually from Leinster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Buckley | Moore | 50/50
    Delahunt|Herring |45/55
    Carey | EOS | 45/55
    Roux | Nagle | 60/40
    Thornbury | Treadwell | 50/50
    SOB | Timoney | 55/45
    Fainga'a | Murphy | 45/55
    Butler | Coetzee | 50/50
    Blade | Cooney | 45/55 (because of kicking)
    Carty | McPhillips | 60/40 (no Burns)
    Aki | Cave | 70/30 (no McCloskey)
    Farrell | Addison | 45/55
    Kelleher | Speight | 50/50
    Godwin | Kernohan | 70/30
    Leader | Ludik | 45/55


    Yeah I think some "head-to-head" are tighter than some expect : Treadwell, Timoney, Moore, on one side, Fainga'a, Farrell, Kelleher on the other may hold the comparison with their counterparts

    Bench : No Bealham and Healy, those n°18 and 23 go Ulster way, otherwise Connacht bench seems slightly stronger

    Home advantage into account : Connacht + 5 would be my prediction


  • Administrators Posts: 54,424 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Ulster team is stronger than I hoped for, which means next week is being written off :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    connachta wrote: »
    Buckley | Moore | 50/50
    Delahunt|Herring |45/55
    Carey | EOS | 45/55
    Roux | Nagle | 60/40
    Thornbury | Treadwell | 50/50
    SOB | Timoney | 55/45
    Fainga'a | Murphy | 45/55
    Butler | Coetzee | 50/50
    Blade | Cooney | 45/55 (because of kicking)
    Carty | McPhillips | 60/40 (no Burns)
    Aki | Cave | 70/30 (no McCloskey)
    Farrell | Addison | 45/55
    Kelleher | Speight | 50/50
    Godwin | Kernohan | 70/30
    Leader | Ludik | 45/55

    Yeah I think some "head-to-head" are tighter than some expect : Treadwell, Timoney, Moore, on one side, Fainga'a, Farrell, Kelleher on the other may hold the comparison with their counterparts

    Bench : No Bealham and Healy, those n°18 and 23 go Ulster's way, otherwise Connacht bench seems slightly stronger

    Home advantage into account : Connacht + 5 would be my prediction




    Guys it's a Christmas miracle. I've made a functional table :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    connachta wrote: »




    Guys it's a Christmas miracle. I've made a functional table :D

    It's something more than a miracle that you've Coetzee at 50/50 with Butler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    There is no world where Cian Kelleher is 50/50 with Henry Speight either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    mfceiling wrote: »
    It's something more than a miracle that you've Coetzee at 50/50 with Butler.


    Butler is not brillant but absolutely well-rounded player. I was nice with Cootzee.


    Kelleher will amaze you. I was not a fan until late, but he has progressed a lot lately


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Butler level with Coetzee, c'mon. Not even near.
    Not good for Dillane? Thought he'd done enough to start.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    Butler level with Coetzee, c'mon. Not even near.
    Not good for Dillane? Thought he'd done enough to start.


    Dillane/Thornbury last week
    Thornbury/Roux this week
    Dillane/Roux next week
    Maksymiew/Cannon/Gallagher to help out vs Sale


    That's just perfect squad rotation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,738 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Fainga'a is not even remotely close to Jordi Murphy, how on earth can you say he's within 5% of him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Fainga'a is not even remotely close to Jordi Murphy, how on earth can you say he's within 5% of him


    Fainga'a is a great player. Always 10 + tackles per game
    He is, as Butler, just too light to be international. But he's clearly 5% from being such.
    Boyle will be a storm coming off the bench too. I'm not worried at all about back-row
    I'm less convinced by Copeland, so is Friend. More shinny ball-carrier, less efficient all-round


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    connachta wrote: »
    Fainga'a is not even remotely close to Jordi Murphy, how on earth can you say he's within 5% of him


    Fainga'a is a great player. Always 10 + tackles per game
    He is, as Butler, just too light to be international. But he's clearly 5% from being such.
    Boyle will be a storm coming off the bench too. I'm not worried at all about back-row
    I'm less convinced by Copeland, so is Friend. More shinny ball-carrier, less efficient all-round

    I think you might be wearing green coloured glasses there.

    With very, very, very thick lenses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    I was spot on anyway, if you're looking to the odds Connacht are 5 to 6 points favorites now the teams are known.

    Favorite but tight.
    If Connacht lose, it won't be in the back-row IMO

    2 real elements of fear are :
    - Leader/Wingers under constant pressure from box-kick-machine-Cooney
    - Delahunt/Heff throws


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    connachta wrote: »
    I was spot on anyway, if you're looking to the odds Connacht are 5 to 6 points favorites now the teams are known.

    Five points with Paddy Power but it was seven before the teams were announced so it's swung towards Ulster.

    Home advantage alone makes Connacht favourite, but Coetzee and Murphy are vastly superior to Butler and Fainga'a.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭flatty


    Home advantage means we will win this pulling up. Anything else is just dissembling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Five points with Paddy Power but it was seven before the teams were announced so it's swung towards Ulster.

    Home advantage alone makes Connacht favourite, but Coetzee and Murphy are vastly superior to Butler and Fainga'a.


    That would make you burn alive to admit it, but this Connacht team is slightly superior to Ulster's, even more without Burns, Stockdale and McCloskey.
    As Connacht XV was superior to Leinster's, and lost from the bench impacts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,720 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Godwin on the wing again is a ballsy call. It's not his best position. He got a proper doing over from Adam Byrne last week.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,876 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    connachta wrote: »
    Buckley | Moore | 50/50
    Delahunt|Herring |45/55
    Carey | EOS | 45/55
    Roux | Nagle | 60/40
    Thornbury | Treadwell | 50/50
    SOB | Timoney | 55/45
    Fainga'a | Murphy | 45/55
    Butler | Coetzee | 50/50
    Blade | Cooney | 45/55 (because of kicking)
    Carty | McPhillips | 60/40 (no Burns)
    Aki | Cave | 70/30 (no McCloskey)
    Farrell | Addison | 45/55
    Kelleher | Speight | 50/50
    Godwin | Kernohan | 70/30
    Leader | Ludik | 45/55


    Yeah I think some "head-to-head" are tighter than some expect : Treadwell, Timoney, Moore, on one side, Fainga'a, Farrell, Kelleher on the other may hold the comparison with their counterparts

    Bench : No Bealham and Healy, those n°18 and 23 go Ulster way, otherwise Connacht bench seems slightly stronger

    Home advantage into account : Connacht + 5 would be my prediction

    Butler and Coetzee are 50/50?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    bilston wrote: »
    Butler and Coetzee are 50/50?


    Stats do not mean everything. They still mean something.

    The S-AF is used more often as a better carrier. Butler is lighter as I said, but not less effective to gain ground. And pretty simalar defender (1 tackle each 5 minute-period for Marcel, 1 tackle each 6 minute-period for Jarrod).



    Coetzee

    Apparences
    14

    Min Played
    986

    Tries
    2

    Passes Completed
    49

    Metres Gained
    277

    Carries
    185

    Defenders Beaten
    35

    Tackles
    191




    Butler

    Appearances
    11

    Minutes Played
    862

    Try
    1

    Passes Completed
    42


    Metres Gained
    240

    Carries
    83


    Defenders Beaten
    12

    Tackles
    141


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    connachta wrote: »
    Stats do not mean everything. They still mean something.

    The S-AF is used more often as a better carrier. Butler is lighter as I said, but not less effective to gain ground. And pretty simalar defender (1 tackle each 5 minute-period for Marcel, 1 tackle each 6 minute-period for Jarrod).



    Coetzee

    Apparences
    14

    Min Played
    986
    Tries
    2

    Passes Completed
    49

    Metres Gained
    277

    Carries
    185

    Defenders Beaten
    35

    Tackles 191




    Butler

    Appearances
    11

    Minutes Played
    862

    Try
    1

    Passes Completed
    42


    Metres Gained
    240

    Carries
    83


    Defenders Beaten
    12

    Tackles
    141


    pretty disapointing that you went and learned to do a table properly and then posted this monstrosity... :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    pretty disapointing that you went and learned to do a table properly and then posted this monstrosity... :-)




    I've made you demanding:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The back row of Boyle, faingaa and butler was deemed to be weaker than rudduck, leavy and Doris last week. And personally felt the Connacht backroads were superior last week.

    I think sob brings more balance to the Connacht backrow this week and as suck should be a stronger unit. I think murphy and Coetzee are very good players and was extremely impressed with Coetzee in the match between these two teams in the kingspan but I do think the Connacht backrow as a unit will come out on top again this week.

    Saying that if Connacht could sign one player from ulster I’d have Coetzee a head of any of the rest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    If coetzee was irish qualified I'd have him as cover for eight(after stander), he is test level, I don't think Butler is there yet


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    If coetzee was irish qualified I'd have him as cover for eight(after stander), he is test level, I don't think Butler is there yet

    I think Coetzee would push very hard for a starting spot tbh. I don’t think there’s much between the pair apart from the injury’s.

    On butler he’s more of a jordie murphy type. He’ll give an 8/10 preformance in any of the back row positions every week. Would be very useful in a World Cup type squad. He’s probably best at 7 though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    Clegg wrote: »
    Godwin on the wing again is a ballsy call. It's not his best position. He got a proper doing over from Adam Byrne last week.

    Not a ballsy call he’s simply the last fit option we have for the wing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Truly shocking to see Leinster supporters living up to the stereotype of obnoxious dicks.

    A couple of Swallows does not a summer make, or something to that effect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    A French club is going to offer one of the two 500k+ a year, and it isn’t Jarrad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Good for Connacht!

    And French clubs are not particularly good examples. Big names, small results, some failures.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    (all converted per 100 Minutes played)

    Head-to-Head | Colby Fainga'a | Jordi Murphy
    Passes Completed | 5,19 | 3,98
    Metres Gained | 21,6 | 12,6
    Carries | 13,5 | 11,9
    Defenders Beaten | 0,3 | 1
    Tackles | 14,7 | 13,9


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    connachta wrote: »
    (all converted per 100 Minutes played)

    Head-to-Head | Colby Fainga'a | Jordi Murphy
    Passes Completed | 5,19 | 3,98
    Metres Gained | 21,6 | 12,6
    Carries | 13,5 | 11,9
    Defenders Beaten | 0,3 | 1
    Tackles | 14,7 | 13,9

    You made this just so you can deploy your new found table prowess, just admit it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    Good for Connacht!

    And French clubs are not particularly good examples. Big names, small results, some failures.

    The stats mean very little. The Ulster lads are playing in Champions Cup. Higher level of rugby. Have you factored that in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    troyzer wrote: »
    You made this just so you can deploy your new found table prowess, just admit it.


    No you can check the figures.
    But I enjoyed the table indeed :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    The stats mean very little. The Ulster lads are playing in Champions Cup. Higher level of rugby. Have you factored that in.


    That matters. A bit

    I said as a precaution
    Stats do not mean everything. They still mean something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    connachta wrote: »
    That matters. A bit

    I said as a precaution

    But you cant use stats to judge players on two different teams with two different coaching teams.

    Coetzee and Jordi will be the two best backrows on the pitch on Friday. That doesnt mean they will be the two best performers on the night but they have played at a far higher level then anyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    But you cant use stats to judge players on two different teams with two different coaching teams.

    Coetzee and Jordi will be the two best backrows on the pitch on Friday. That doesnt mean they will be the two best performers on the night but they have played at a far higher level then anyone else.

    Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
    Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
    I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

    I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
    Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
    I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

    I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.

    They haven't been playing Super Rugby this season though. My post was about the stats and how they are distorted by the level of opposition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    They haven't been playing Super Rugby this season though. My post was about the stats and how they are distorted by the level of opposition.

    Apologies thought you were speaking in general rather than this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Butler has 61 super rugby appearances
    Faingaa has 101 super rugby appearances
    I’m sure they played some high level stuff.

    I think Coetzee is the best individual backrow starting and Murphy is probably the second. I do think butler and faingaa are underrated by other provinces fan basis, as Leinster found out last week.


    That's exactly what I've been trying to say for 10 days.


    And the gap, way thinner than most think, may be null or the reverse tomorrow. If you add SOB and Butler, Connacht may have the better back-row. Same was said against Leavy/Doris/Ruddock. Same will be said vs any Munster combo, except the best alltogether (TOD/POM/Stander)


    And it's about back-row, not overall "green-glasses". As I pointed, Delahunt throws and Leader under high-balls may cost Connacht the game, with more likelihood..


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