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FrancieBrady wrote: »

The guy doing the vid was from the north, but with such an expensive bit of kit and a company specialising in this kind of work, you would have thought he would have known.

I take it that it would be pointless buying a child a drone under those exclusion zones then, unless they traveled out of them to fly?

I wouldn't buy a child anything other than a cheap toy drone. Even flying within the rules they will loose it eventually!

Dillosk412

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Up to very recently I have lived in the UK.

The general English cop is quite stupid, poorly educated (gcse is all that is required - about same level as junior cert) and is sheeplike in how they follow commands from other officers. I was even asked if I had a permit to work in the UK as I was Irish!

They then add in their own sensationalist thoughts and very quickly they are gung ho "fighting terrorists" and will want to be the first to blab the story to local rags.

Funny, when it comes to normal crime such as knife attacks, moped robberies (thousands), burglary and general theft, they just don't bother. I'm back here about 3 months. I assure you that you don't want UK standard of policing and nor do you want UK healthcare. (yes, it is umpteen times worse than here)

donkeykong5

Dillosk412 wrote: »

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Up to very recently I have lived in the UK.

The general English cop is quite stupid, poorly educated (gcse is all that is required - about same level as junior cert) and is sheeplike in how they follow commands from other officers. I was even asked if I had a permit to work in the UK as I was Irish!

They then add in their own sensationalist thoughts and very quickly they are gung ho "fighting terrorists" and will want to be the first to blab the story to local rags.

Funny, when it comes to normal crime such as knife attacks, moped robberies (thousands), burglary and general theft, they just don't bother. I'm back here about 3 months. I assure you that you don't want UK standard of policing and nor do you want UK healthcare. (yes, it is umpteen times worse than here)

Nothing wrong with ok medicalcare at all.

donkeykong5

I mean UK medical care. Its brilliant.

L1011

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with ok medicalcare at all.

Four weeks to see a GP in many areas

NH2013

donkeykong5 wrote: »

I mean UK medical care. Its brilliant.

Not from what I hear, I'm sure there are some area's they do better than us, but from what I hear from friends and family working in the NHS over there there are many areas that make the HSE look like a well oiled machine (and of course other areas not so), it's more just hype and national pride combined with propoganda that make people believe that the NHS is one of the best healthcare providers in the world, in fact, it's more of a grass is greener case. Under-investment and under-staffing seems to be the thinking of the day worldwide, both in public and private organisations.

I imagine it's similar as mentioned above with regards to the police service looking to make a bit of action for themselves, mountain out a molehill so to speak.

It will be interesting to see the facts of the case as time goes on as to if there really was a drone at all, if there was one and then it disappeared but people kept "seeing" one throughout the day or if in fact it was as it seemed initially and it was a targeted persistant disruption to the transport system around Gatwick.

Time will tell.

Mr.Wemmick

L1011 wrote: »

Four weeks to see a GP in many areas

Nonsense, lol! Spend a lot of time in the UK. Complete nonsense.

I know the Irish healthcare system and the UK one, both have their advantages and disadvantages. But you sure are losing the run of yourselves on this thread.

Stick to talking about drones, eh?

dhaughton99

Sky news supposedly has a video of the drone with the proviso
“Sky News has obtained footage, which cannot be verified, of what appears to be one of the drone sightings over Gatwick”.
Why broadcast it then if it can’t be verified?
I assume you verifiy video like this with exif, geo and dates or landmarks within the video.

L1011

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Nonsense, lol! Spend a lot of time in the UK. Complete nonsense.

I know the Irish healthcare system and the UK one, both have their advantages and disadvantages. But you sure are losing the run of yourselves on this thread.

Stick to talking about drones, eh?

Worked in an NHS provider for eight years. Four weeks is optimistic for a routine appointment in some trusts

You can be lucky with less. But it's luck, not routine

Dillosk412

donkeykong5 wrote: »

I mean UK medical care. Its brilliant.

I just threw it in as most public services are a shambles in the UK especially policing and health, but my own very recent experience (I was there for 8 years up to April). I needed a simple procedure on my nose.
Started the process in 2015, had 7 different GP's (in the same practice) three of which could not locate my file.

Went for a scan in 2017, called for operation in January this year. Was prepped and ready, and told that the scan was the "wrong scan" and I had to go home and start the process again.

I moved back here in April. Been to GP, had consultation with specialist last month, had scan 2 weeks ago and procedure is booked for end of January. One GP, One specialist.

On the drones. Cops are now saying a "communication error" regarding that there may be no drones. Yes, that is what they are saying.

Irish Steve

OK Folks, We are well aware that a lot of the UK state services are becoming increasingly dysfunctional, from the top down, but a discussion thread about a (possibly supposed) Drone visit to Gatwick is NOT the place to rehearse the way that the UK is changing.

PLEASE, to avoid even more distraction than normal, can we ALL stay on subject for the next few days,

Muahahaha

Dillosk412 wrote: »

On the drones. Cops are now saying a "communication error" regarding that there may be no drones. Yes, that is what they are saying.

Things get stranger and stranger, they cant seem to make up their minds now what went on.

Would it be fair to say that whoever did this has a level of technical knowledge far above just some kid using a shop bought drone? And if the jamming equipment they used didnt work then it likely sounds like the drones(s) were pre-programmed to fly on a flight path, with the possibility that someone planted the drones and then got completey out of the area? It would help explain why the police seem completely flumoxed and went clutching at straws for any drone owners in the vicinity.

markpb

I think people are reading far too much into a statement that said there might not have been any drones. A reporter asked if it was possible there were no drones, someone in the police force said yes. He's right: it's possible, anything is possible. If he was asked if it's possible that the airport was disrupted by the marshmallow man, he probably would have said yes because, in the absence of proof that the drones existed, who's to say otherwise. If you're giving a press conference, you're better off being vague than wrong.

HighLine

The beginning of their legal proceedings. Drone couple receiving "medical care". https://news.sky.com/story/couple-held-and-later-cleared-over-gatwick-airport-drone-disruption-speak-out-11591028

Wheres Me Jumper?

HighLine wrote: »

The beginning of their legal proceedings. Drone couple receiving "medical care". https://news.sky.com/story/couple-held-and-later-cleared-over-gatwick-airport-drone-disruption-speak-out-11591028

the cops are damned if they do, and damned if they dont.
suppose they did nothing and a passenger jet was struck and fell to earth?

every passenger &/or their families would rightly want to know why something wasn't done to apprehend the culprits.
that said i agree their approach has been shambolic, but how do we know it was the cops who leaked their names? could easily have been a FB "friend" or a nosey neighbour.

Singer

Muahahaha wrote: »

Things get stranger and stranger, they cant seem to make up their minds now what went on.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

It is clear that the statement was a ham-fisted way of an investigator stating that they are keeping their minds open to all possibilities. They did not state that there were no drones. The follow up statements have made it pretty clear that there are a huge number of witnesses that state that there were drones.

It's interesting how the conspiracy minded take an off-the-cuff statement by an individual police officer stating a hypothetical as something worth taking as strong evidence of the lack of drones, compared to the repeated drone sightings by a large number of people working at Gatwick airport.

ebbsy

Either way, somebody is going to be getting their chequebook out soon.

And rightly so.

dhaughton99

HighLine wrote: »

The beginning of their legal proceedings. Drone couple receiving "medical care". https://news.sky.com/story/couple-held-and-later-cleared-over-gatwick-airport-drone-disruption-speak-out-11591028

Dropping them home in a police van didn’t help their image either.

Nijmegen

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the cops are damned if they do, and damned if they dont.
suppose they did nothing and a passenger jet was struck and fell to earth?

every passenger &/or their families would rightly want to know why something wasn't done to apprehend the culprits.
that said i agree their approach has been shambolic, but how do we know it was the cops who leaked their names? could easily have been a FB "friend" or a nosey neighbour.

I think it's the media that splashed their pictures all over the front page with sensationalist nonsense headlines and stories (most people don't read the qualifying statements like "Are these?" when the following bit talks about "morons who ruined Christmas"). I'd say they're right on to go shaft a few newspapers for a few quid.

cfuserkildare

Nijmegen wrote: »

I think it's the media that splashed their pictures all over the front page with sensationalist nonsense headlines and stories (most people don't read the qualifying statements like "Are these?" when the following bit talks about "morons who ruined Christmas"). I'd say they're right on to go shaft a few newspapers for a few quid.

Trial by Social Media,
Great times. 😉

dhaughton99

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Trial by Social Media,
Great times. 😉

It was the established media rather than social who racked them through the coals.

arubex

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the cops are damned if they do, and damned if they dont.
suppose they did nothing and a passenger jet was struck and fell to earth?

But the decision to close Gatwick, and safety of air traffic, was nothing to do with the police, it was a decision taken by a commercial entity.

In fact I hope the police will be sending them a bill for the helicopters, man power and equipment involved - just like they do for organisers of our local charity half-marathon.

SophieLockhart

Singer wrote: »

It's interesting how the conspiracy minded take an off-the-cuff statement by an individual police officer stating a hypothetical as something worth taking as strong evidence of the lack of drones, compared to the repeated drone sightings by a large number of people working at Gatwick airport.

I don't see how it could be described as 'off the cuff' - it was at an official press conference where the cop knew his every word would be forensically examined.

STB.

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the cops are damned if they do, and damned if they dont.
suppose they did nothing and a passenger jet was struck and fell to earth?

every passenger &/or their families would rightly want to know why something wasn't done to apprehend the culprits.
that said i agree their approach has been shambolic, but how do we know it was the cops who leaked their names? could easily have been a FB "friend" or a nosey neighbour.

We don't need to.

It doesn't matter.

The irresponsible manner in which the media, both traditional and social media, wrongly doxxed and presented these individuals as morons who caused the chaos at Gatwick will be dealt with in the courts.

dhaughton99

Forgotten already?

Pat Dunne

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Forgotten already?

What?

dhaughton99

Pat Dunne wrote: »

What?

What’s happened to the investigation? What’s the details of the damaged drone that they found?

Pat Dunne

dhaughton99 wrote: »

What’s happened to the investigation? What’s the details of the damaged drone that they found?

Please remind me, where and when did this all happen?

Mr.Wemmick

dhaughton99 wrote: »

What’s happened to the investigation? What’s the details of the damaged drone that they found?

It is the reason why they arrested two innocents, kept them for 36 hours and fed them to the media.. while they used the time to quietly brush the whole sorry mess under the carpet and hope everyone will forget.

Seriously, WTF happened??

Dillosk412

dhaughton99 wrote: »

What’s happened to the investigation? What’s the details of the damaged drone that they found?

Update... (and this is actuaully true and not a scene from Fr Ted or Faulty Towers)

Chief Constable says he apologises for arresting two innocent people and now that they are no longer suspect, he thinks they can get on with their lives.

Also says that the two drones found near the airport had nothing to do with what he says he still thinks was another drone. But is not certain.


Says about 100 "credible" sightings of drones were reported - but wait for this, and this really did come from his mouth...

"we had our own drones up at the time, so some of these reports may be about our drones which were active at the time"

You couldn't make it up.