Why I am leaving Ireland in 2019

incentsitive

Why don't we all just face facts, this whole planet is a kip. Beam me up Scotty.

storker

theguzman wrote: »

Why would a person bother working, you are better to draw welfare and have nothing to your name and just enjoy life because work does not pay in Ireland. I don't loathe these people, as a matter of fact I envy them. Why bother trying to do the right thing in Ireland when the Govt will tax it and take it away from you. Why bother respecting any law because you will not be punished.

I'd agree with everything except this last paragraph. My family has a reasonable standard of living because we are both earning more than we did in the past. Sure, the government wets (soaks!) its beak, but I've run the numbers and there is no way would would be better off on the dole. Not even close.

Marcusm

theguzman wrote: »

Qatar is just one of the low tax regimes I am thinking of, The US is also very appealing depending on which state I'd go to. I don't know how anyone could defend what is happening in Ireland unless you were a Civil Servant on a cushy job with a pension. I know lads who stay in bed all day, drink a few cans or smoke a bit of weed, they have nothing to their name and contribute nothing to society only draw down from the system, before they would anger me but as every day passes I admire them more for being able to give two fingers to the taxman.

Real barbelling; Qatar vs USA. Are you independently wealthy or what will you do for a crust? Likely to impact your immigration prospects.

FatherTed

I think the OP should become a civil servant in Ireland.

rn

We don't have many "stealth" taxes. Most of what press labels "stealth" tax are very transparent consumption taxes, that are levied at the point of transaction in a transparent way by either seller or buyer (in case of stamp duty). Sugar tax, again a consumption based tax that is clearly levied against drinks that contain added sugar. In fact I'm struggling to see any true stealth tax.

incentsitive

OEP wrote: »

We can definitely, and need to, improve on a lot of things here. A lot of the reason why things are the way they are in Ireland is because of our national psyche - which is what also makes it a more interesting a fun place to live, for me anyway. Have you ever spent a lot of time in Germany, the Netherlands or Scandinavia? They rigidly follow the rules, and don't dare break them. And that goes down to the smallest little things like crossing a road. That drives me crazy, and I couldn't live in a place like that.

Given this country's history, we have a tendency to bend/break rules. This is both detrimental to the country and part of why people from other countries like us - and I'm not sure what you do about that. I certainly don't want to go the way of the Nordics, Germany, Netherlands where life is that bit more sterile. If we can improve things without losing our slightly more free attitude then this will be a much better country.

Those things are what I hate most about this country. I hate the sly chancer attitude in Ireland. I hate that we think its a laugh to get a TD to pull a stroke for us to get planning permission or a medical card.

I hate that people have so little pride in their place that they think fly tipping and littering are OK. I hate that we can't have street bins because people will fill them with domestic rubbish. I hate that our streets become a cess pit of urine and beer cans and bottles on a Saturday night. I hate that our beaches are left in a mess.

I hate that we have a useless inefficient public sector / health service where nobody is ever got rid of and half of them scratch their behind all day.

I hate that motorists break red lights. I hate the way cyclists think its OK to go through a pedestrian crossing and not bother stopping. I hate that pedestrians can't wait for a green light.

Give me the Swiss/Dutch/German way any day.

Chris_Heilong

I agree with the OP, for the amount of tax we pay we would expect there to be more socialised infrastructure, for example free Luas and buses would be a good way to give back to the people. The issue I see is we are still paying back European loans and that non-national debt that somehow magically became a national one back in 2008.

TheIrishGrover

Good of you to get your education and health care and then p*ss off without putting it back into the economy. Sher there's great health care all for free in Narnia.

cnocbui

rn wrote: »

We don't have many "stealth" taxes. Most of what press labels "stealth" tax are very transparent consumption taxes, that are levied at the point of transaction in a transparent way by either seller or buyer (in case of stamp duty). Sugar tax, again a consumption based tax that is clearly levied against drinks that contain added sugar. In fact I'm struggling to see any true stealth tax.

Health insurance 'levy'; car insurance 'levy; home insurance 'levy', My council charges for disposing of supposed recyclables! The TV licence is an out front, stealth tax not even pretending to be stealthy. Stamp duty on financial cards. The water charges was a good attempt at yet another shrapnel tax. The PSO lvy on your electricity bill - it's f'ing endless!

Ulysses Gaze

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I agree with the OP, for the amount of tax we pay we would expect there to be more socialised infrastructure, for example free Luas and buses would be a good way to give back to the people. The issue I see is we are still paying back European loans and that non-national debt that somehow magically became a national one back in 2008.

Considering the population is only 4.5 million and we pay an inordinate amount of tax to keep the €20 billion welfare bill intact.

cnocbui

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Good of you to get your education and health care and then p*ss off without putting it back into the economy. Sher there's great health care all for free in Narnia.

School education was paid for by tax on his parents, most likely. Last I checked there was something called college fees. Health - that's paid for out of his current taxes, not that it's Bulgarian level of service is worth paying for.

facehugger99

We don't pay enough tax for the services we want and far too much tax for the services we receive.

bullpost

facehugger99 wrote: »

We don't pay enough tax for the services we want and far too much tax for the services we receive.

Part of the problem is the modern political system. No political party who tells it like it is will get into power. We vote for the yellow-pack options time and time again.
I sometimes think it would be better when voting to get options on the parties , so I can vote for FG or whoever, and select from a set of options as to the policies and cost to me of those policies. So I can vote FG and vote for option to pay additional 1% tax which they will use to fix homelessness or whatever.

facehugger99

bullpost wrote: »

Part of the problem is the modern political system. No political party who tells it like it is will get into power. We vote for the yellow-pack options time and time again.

I would personally have no problems with paying additional taxes, but I have absolutely no confidence in getting good value from them.

I suspect most of the money would be gobbled up by the special interest groups like the public sector unions or various quangos or spunked on vote-buying bolloxology.

chrissb8

Move abroad and look and marvel how a country like Ireland is such a mess.

Inept people running it, taxes being put to no real good use, messed up health system, public transport making pathetic excuses as to how it can't run itself properly etc. etc.

Don't listen to the people saying "Good luck to ya then! cause this is how it is so we don't need moaners! Enjoy the sand and repression"

Course we need moaners Ireland needs loads of moaners to moan, moan and moan until the goddamn situation changes. Far too complicit in taking mistreatment in our stride past, future, but hopefully not future.

You know you could accept it. Maybe, if it was a large population. But it isn't, and that's what frustrates people the most.

incentsitive

chrissb8 wrote: »

Move abroad and look and marvel how a country like Ireland is such a mess.

Inept people running it, taxes being put to no real good use, messed up health system, public transport making pathetic excuses as to how it can't run itself properly etc. etc.

Don't listen to the people saying "Good luck to ya then! cause this is how it is so we don't need moaners! Enjoy the sand and repression"

Course we need moaners Ireland needs loads of moaners to moan, moan and moan until the goddamn situation changes. Far too complicit in taking mistreatment in our stride past, future, but hopefully not future.

Yes because other countries are ran better, e.g. Britain, USA, etc. Well ran aren't they.........Germany has an 18bn airport called Brandenburg Airport which they are now talking about knocking down.

Politicians are the same the world over. They are no different.

pumpkin4life

There's a difference between countries that are a mess and countries that are slowly killing themselves.

The former is tolerable, the latter is catastrophic.

Ireland is currently, like a lot of other Western countries, in the latter camp.

Pkiernan

rn wrote: »

We don't have many "stealth" taxes. Most of what press labels "stealth" tax are very transparent consumption taxes, that are levied at the point of transaction in a transparent way by either seller or buyer (in case of stamp duty). Sugar tax, again a consumption based tax that is clearly levied against drinks that contain added sugar. In fact I'm struggling to see any true stealth tax.

Pension levy, insurance levies, PSO levies.

Have a look at all the extras on any if your utility bill.

Credit Card annual Stamp duty.


On and on....except for scoungers of course.

Idbatterim

bullpost wrote: »

Part of the problem is the modern political system. No political party who tells it like it is will get into power. We vote for the yellow-pack options time and time again.
I sometimes think it would be better when voting to get options on the parties , so I can vote for FG or whoever, and select from a set of options as to the policies and cost to me of those policies. So I can vote FG and vote for option to pay additional 1% tax which they will use to fix homelessness or whatever.

I dont agree with that, if said party sets up, will they get a majority, not a bloody chance, but imagine, they got 15-20%, it would be a total gamechanger here. I actually need a sick bucket beside me now, if I have the misfortune of watching those retards that govern us, endless **** talking, 'wont someone please think of the children" spare me! The first thing a new party should propose is the licence fee abolition from the joke known as RTE! Get rid of the year on car registrations too, billions flowing out of the irish economy, sent up in smoke!

Dr.Sanchez

I moved back home to Ireland last year after living Abroad for six years. I too will be leaving Ireland (again) in 2019/20 when I finish the postgraduate I'm going. Not because of all the reasons the OP stated. I already have a decent job here. I just want to live somewhere with decent weather where I can do outdoorsy stuff on the weekends.

mvl

What can I say if taxation is the real reason for OP ... each with their own needs.

But would strongly suggest looking at other factors before emigrating. An example (& important for me) would be a country's state of freedom.
Found this report from 2017 https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/FH_FIW_2017_Report_Final.pdf
Few examples:

Country Aggregate score
Austria 95
Ireland 96
Germany 95
Saudi A 10
New Zealand 98
Sweden 100
Norway 100
Finland 100
Switzerland 96
UK 95
US 89

Sounds like Scandinavian countries are the perfect place to live in

klaaaz

mvl wrote: »

What can I say if taxation is the real reason for OP ... each with their own needs.

But would strongly suggest looking at other factors before emigrating. An example (& important for me) would be a country's state of freedom.
Found this report from 2017 https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/FH_FIW_2017_Report_Final.pdf
Few examples:

Country Aggregate score
Austria 95
Ireland 96
Germany 95
Saudi A 10
New Zealand 98
Sweden 100
Norway 100
Finland 100
Switzerland 96
UK 95
US 89

Sounds like Scandinavian countries are the perfect place to live in

They are thank you! But, posters here are not willing to pay their taxes for the greater return of services. They have this vision that overseas lower taxed first world countries are the land of milk and honey when they are not. It's actually the opposite, just look at the EU with the multiple of higher taxed countries doing well where essential services are cheaper, more money in people's pockets and their populations are happier for it!

Ray Palmer

I don't think people understand the behaviour of the general public has on policy.

If you deliver something on time and under budget it was badly priced.

Late and over budget it is somebody should be fired

Late, over budget and not working correctly fire the minister

General escalations of above scenarios. The thing is who asked for the change? When you look into it they generally stem from complaints or campaigners.

Great example was the fence on the motorway. A temporary fence was in place before more works were to be done. The fence adhered to the law. People complained because it was dangerous for motorcyclists. As a result a different fence was put in at a waste of €1.6million as it was going to have to come up again. There is a no win situation because you actually need to ignore the public sometimes which is actually what the should have done when the ERSI said we need to build housing in Dublin in 2012. They listened to the public instead and didn't build, should have ignored them. There in lives the problem of being a politician and getting stuff done.

mikemac2

incentsitive wrote: »

Yes because other countries are ran better, e.g. Britain, USA, etc. Well ran aren't they.........Germany has an 18bn airport called Brandenburg Airport which they are now talking about knocking down.

Politicians are the same the world over. They are no different.

Still not finished? Four years ago when I moaned about that dump Berlin Schonefeld I was told the new airport was almost ready. Ah Schonefeld is a embarrassment for a capital city

German efficiency is a myth it seems

The Rape of Lucretia

rn wrote: »

We don't have many "stealth" taxes.

This is one of the problems. Ireland need's more and deeper stealth taxes. Only most mature and financially responsible countries like the Scandinavians or the Germans can really be overt in their sources of tax raising.

People like the Irish who dont really understand the difficulties of providing services and balancing the country's finances can all too clearly see what they are paying in tax, while being blind to much of the expenditure. Leading to perceptions of injustice, dissatisfaction, and lack of understanding of the issues the government is handling for them.

As a government policy, and for the general quiety of the taxpayer, his general perception and satisfaction with his state's governance, stealth taxes are a winner all round. Ireland caught on late to this one, and still has considerable road to go in their implementation. What you dont feel wont hurt you.

cnocbui

mvl wrote: »

What can I say if taxation is the real reason for OP ... each with their own needs.

But would strongly suggest looking at other factors before emigrating. An example (& important for me) would be a country's state of freedom.
Found this report from 2017 https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/FH_FIW_2017_Report_Final.pdf
Few examples:

Country Aggregate score
Austria 95
Ireland 96
Germany 95
Saudi A 10
New Zealand 98
Sweden 100
Norway 100
Finland 100
Switzerland 96
UK 95
US 89

Sounds like Scandinavian countries are the perfect place to live in

That's only because you haven't thought to compare their taxation regimes to New Zealand. :P

mikemac2

mikemac2 wrote: »

Still not finished? Four years ago when I moaned about that dump Berlin Schonefeld I was told the new airport was almost ready. Ah Schonefeld is a embarrassment for a capital city

German efficiency is a myth it seems

Passed through that kip a few months ago, a sprawling concrete carbuncle. Gate 64 out of 65, lugging cases up and down several flights of stairs. This sort of monstrosity might make sense in a backwater of Albania, not a large metropolis.

cnocbui

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This is one of the problems. Ireland need's more and deeper stealth taxes. Only most mature and financially responsible countries like the Scandinavians or the Germans can really be overt in their sources of tax raising.

People like the Irish who dont really understand the difficulties of providing services and balancing the country's finances can all too clearly see what they are paying in tax, while being blind to much of the expenditure. Leading to perceptions of injustice, dissatisfaction, and lack of understanding of the issues the government is handling for them.

As a government policy, and for the general quiety of the taxpayer, his general perception and satisfaction with his state's governance, stealth taxes are a winner all round. Ireland caught on late to this one, and still has considerable road to go in their implementation. What you dont feel wont hurt you.

You seem to think like an Irish bureaucracy functionary. I will be well glad to put you and yours behind me and get as far away from such mindsets as I can get. God, that final boarding call can't come soon enough.

Ultimanemo

Good luck

mvl

cnocbui wrote: »

That's only because you haven't thought to compare their taxation regimes to New Zealand. :P

unlike OP, I would not emigrate cause of taxation ...
- I love NZ, but as I've no family there, it would be less ideal for me compared to Scandi.