Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

El_Duderino 09

Red bull might be in the market for a no.2 driver because they certainty have a no 1 driver in max. There aren't many pure no.2s around at the moment. Hulk might be willing to take a no2 role if it gets him in a top car and in with a decent shout of wins and podiums for the first (and probably only) time in his career.

Just speculating BTW.

skipper_G

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Red bull might be in the market for a no.2 driver because they certainty have a no 1 driver in max. There aren't many pure no.2s around at the moment. Hulk might be willing to take a no2 role if it gets him in a top car and in with a decent shout of wins and podiums for the first (and probably only) time in his career.

Just speculating BTW.

I think it can be argued that they have a number 2 already, Gasly has had a shaky start to his Red Bull tenure but in 3 of the last 4 races he's qualified and finished the races exactly where I'd expect him to, China qualy P6 & race P6, Spain qualy P6 & race P6, Monaco qualy P8 & race P5. As long as he delivers consistent points scoring Red Bull will be happy, they won't be expecting him to beat Verstappen

Adamocovic

When looking at the records stumbled upon one to do with Button's crazy win in Canada in 2011.

6 pit stops and still winning. From last to first at one point. Only posting the short video but you can get an hour long video of the race online and well worth a watch for those who missed it or can't remember it. (Full thing would take most of your day to watch :P)

Jordan 199

^That was an epic race.

AMKC

That Canada race has to be one of the best of the last decade. I doubt we will see a race like that again anytime soon.

weekaizer

OSI wrote: »

I went absolutely nuts when he passed Vettel on that last lap. That was a one in a million race.

I hardly ever scream at the tv...but I certainly screamed at top of my voice when vettel ran wide and nearly spun!. Schumi could have been on the podium if vettel spun fully!.

Vic_08

Adamocovic wrote: »

When looking at the records stumbled upon one to do with Button's crazy win in Canada in 2011.

6 pit stops and still winning. From last to first at one point. Only posting the short video but you can get an hour long video of the race online and well worth a watch for those who missed it or can't remember it. (Full thing would take most of your day to watch :P)

The full race is showing on Sky F1 Thursday 7-11pm, it's definitely worth watching the whole thing if you can,even better record it to skip the ads.

Harika

Vic_08 wrote: »

The full race is showing on Sky F1 Thursday 7-11pm, it's definitely worth watching the whole thing if you can,even better record it to skip the ads.

And the two hour breaks

flazio

Heads up for an interesting looking documentary about Mondello Park tomorrow (Monday 3rd of June) at 6.30pm on RTÉ One.
From the trailers it looks like they might dig out some of their archive F1 coverage.

Jordan 199

Montreal up next. I'm a fan of Circuit Gilles Villeneuve as Jordan did well there. Had a double podium finish there in 1995 with Barrichello finishing second there and Irvine third:

Sheeps

Heading over on Thursday to Montreal. I've general admission tickets, but the it looks pretty poor for GA to be honest. Anyone ever been before, and got any tips for good vantage points around the track?

recyclebin

Was there in 2006 with GA on a bank at the hairpin. Had a good view of a big screen and had commentary on FM radio.

Anjobe

Silly season starting already - https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1135436/Sebastian-Vettel-retirement-Ferrari-Fernando-Alonso-Charles-Leclerc-F1-news

El_Duderino 09

Anjobe wrote: »

Silly season starting already - https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1135436/Sebastian-Vettel-retirement-Ferrari-Fernando-Alonso-Charles-Leclerc-F1-news

Saw this. The Express is a complete made up paper for fantasists. Not a day passes without a story about world war 3 and how the EU is on the brink of collapse because of the latest zinger by Jacob Rees Mogg or borris Johnson.

It's like an alternative reality news source. If you can imagine it, they can write a story about it. It doesn't have to be based on reality.

Joeface

I can never remember , Is Canada one of the GP's where the teams say the can race , or the other statement " it's very difficult to over take here "

I enjoyed Monaco , but i need a race this weekend .......even half a race would do .

pjohnson

Joeface wrote: »

I can never remember , Is Canada one of the GP's where the teams say the can race , or the other statement " it's very difficult to over take here "

I enjoyed Monaco , but i need a race this weekend .......even half a race would do .

Well Toto has said he fears the track will suit Ferrari more than Mercedes.

Joeface

pjohnson wrote: »

Well Toto has said he fears the track will suit Ferrari more than Mercedes.

he said that about the whole season at the start ........I no longer trust what he says

El_Duderino 09

Anjobe wrote: »

Silly season starting already - https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1135436/Sebastian-Vettel-retirement-Ferrari-Fernando-Alonso-Charles-Leclerc-F1-news

Just a further note on the Express. It carried a headline today "Vettel issues retirement statement". And you read down the article to see that Vettel mentioned he has no intention to retire.

As much as the term fake news is throw around, The Express is actually fake news. Total BS paper.

flazio

At this stage I'm just resigned to the fact that every track this year is suited to the Mercedes-Benz and to just ignore the top 2 places.

Jordan 199

I hope it rains at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve this weekend like it did back in 2011.

Adamocovic

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I hope it rains at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve this weekend like it did back in 2011.

Afraid forecasts have dry and sunny until Monday I think.

Why is the rain always coming too late this year.

Frank Bullitt

flazio wrote: »

At this stage I'm just resigned to the fact that every track this year is suited to the Mercedes-Benz and to just ignore the top 2 places.

More of the car being suited to pretty much every track on earth. You could put in on a gravel road rally and it would win.

Frank Bullitt

Great watch!

d8491prj5boyvg

Is it just me or is race coverage nowadays more focussed on the battles at the front than in the past. I remember the tv cameras would follow battles down the field as they happened. Now i seem to miss them and hear about them after.

Same with qualifying. At Canada we were on board with a crappy lap from botttas when both leclerc and vettel were on great laps. The current qualifying format doesn't build the tension like the old one hour straight format.

flazio

Payton Low Corkscrew wrote: »

Is it just me or is race coverage nowadays more focussed on the battles at the front than in the past. I remember the tv cameras would follow battles down the field as they happened. Now i seem to miss them and hear about them after.

Same with qualifying. At Canada we were on board with a crappy lap from botttas when both leclerc and vettel were on great laps. The current qualifying format doesn't build the tension like the old one hour straight format.

The problem with the old one hour format is free to air stations don't know when it's safe to take an ad break. How annoyed would anyone be if they missed the pole lap.

d8491prj5boyvg

flazio wrote: »

The problem with the old one hour format is free to air stations don't know when it's safe to take an ad break. How annoyed would anyone be if they missed the pole lap.

That is an advantage alright but we still missed the pole lap on saturday.

Nic_Col

Time penalties should be done away with.

Farcical to have a driver cross the line in first not actually winning. Happened in Monaco too, driver crosses the line in second and doesn't make the podium because of a time penalty.

There needs to be a way to penalise the driver in the race itself. Only post race penalties should be disqualification if merited or grid penalties for the next race.

If a time penalty is applied it should be served in a pit stop. If a drive through is deemed too severe and a driver has no further scheduled pit stops then add a penalty section with a chicane or something to a track that the driver must drive through that will lose them time, shouldn't be a problem on most circuits given how they have so much tarmacked run off areas now.

Yesterday just looked terrible.

Very harsh on Seb, there wasn't too much he could do, he can't slam on the brakes on the grass and once he rejoined the track he still had to bring it under control. I know it impeded Hamilton but it wasn't deliberate. Accidental obstruction should be categorised as racing incident, if a deliberate obstruction; punish away.

jv2000

I feel like yesterday's incident is very polarising. I am not a big Vettel fan but the time penalty was harsh, he did not have control and he did not gain an advantage (ie his laptime was slower because of the incident). Okay he blocked Hamilton but his control of the situation was not 100%. Also on a side note, Grojean's re-entry at the start of the race was not safe, Kimi had to take avoiding action.

Regardless of this perhaps the best solution moving forward is to introduce a MotoGP-esque penalty loop? This way the drivers take their penalty on track within a certain number of laps of the decision and also they then have the opportunity to fight for their place back in the race. This of course will not allow for last lap incidents which are very possible. It should however mean that the majority of races will finish in the order the drivers cross the line.

muckwarrior

I think Mario Andretti summed it up very succinctly. Should not have been a penalty, just like Hamilton's similar incident in Monaco wasn't. If it happens repeatedly, then a stewards investigation is warranted.

https://twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/1137819492631928832

AMKC

So Ferrari are appealing the decision at least that is what Sky News have said anyway.