Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

Adamocovic

flazio wrote: »

These are all qualifying stats though. You don't get any points on a Saturday.

Williams don't get any points on a Sunday either.

LollipopJimmy

Adamocovic wrote: »

Williams don't get any points on a Sunday either.

Great, snorted coffee reading that

Adamocovic

Italian media reporting Leclercs management and Ferrari falling out fast and they're entertaining offers from other teams.

With it being Italian media I imagine it's bull**** stirring but would be interesting!

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Adamocovic wrote: »

Italian media reporting Leclercs management and Ferrari falling out fast and they're entertaining offers from other teams.

With it being Italian media I imagine it's bull**** stirring but would be interesting!

Will Kimi get a reprieve at Maranello? Vettel certainly would welcome it

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/rameckers/status/1132691659832090624

flazio

Adamocovic wrote: »

Italian media reporting Leclercs management and Ferrari falling out fast and they're entertaining offers from other teams.

With it being Italian media I imagine it's bull**** stirring but would be interesting!

Where else is there? Mercedes-Benz have Bottas or Ocon to partner Lewis, Red Bull are unlikely to look externally unless he goes for a season at Toro Rosso first, everywhere else is a step back. Give him time.

TCP/IP

He is going nowhere at all. Just media sh1t

corminators

Surely he is gonna play the long game at Ferrari. How long has Vettel got left?

Santan

If you were him looking at how Ferrari have been for well over a decade now, 2 former world champions with huge pedigree dragging the team forward kicking and screaming. Constant leadership changes, consistently failing in the development process during the season with all of their resources, I think if merc, or red bull, if they get something out of this Honda, come knocking in the next year or 2, you'd have to consider it. Big changes coming in a few years, right now I would place my bets that Ferrari will come up short again, within touching distance but frustratingly out of reach. They need some strong leadership in that team. If merc were to lose Hamilton for whatever reason, I think he is the go to guy.

AMKC

Santan wrote: »

If you were him looking at how Ferrari have been for well over a decade now, 2 former world champions with huge pedigree dragging the team forward kicking and screaming. Constant leadership changes, consistently failing in the development process during the season with all of their resources, I think if merc, or red bull, if they get something out of this Honda, come knocking in the next year or 2, you'd have to consider it. Big changes coming in a few years, right now I would place my bets that Ferrari will come up short again, within touching distance but frustratingly out of reach. They need some strong leadership in that team. If merc were to lose Hamilton for whatever reason, I think he is the go to guy.

I don't think Hamilton is ever going to be a Ferrari. Why would he? I certainly would not go there if they are still like they are now. He is on a roll now. Why would he want to ruin the great records and legacy he has now? He has already helped a team go from midfield to great. It would be like Schumacher coming back to join Mercedes and then leaving just before they got good only the other way around.

Santan

AMKC wrote: »

Santan wrote: »

If you were him looking at how Ferrari have been for well over a decade now, 2 former world champions with huge pedigree dragging the team forward kicking and screaming. Constant leadership changes, consistently failing in the development process during the season with all of their resources, I think if merc, or red bull, if they get something out of this Honda, come knocking in the next year or 2, you'd have to consider it. Big changes coming in a few years, right now I would place my bets that Ferrari will come up short again, within touching distance but frustratingly out of reach. They need some strong leadership in that team. If merc were to lose Hamilton for whatever reason, I think he is the go to guy.

I don't think Hamilton is ever going to be a Ferrari. Why would he? I certainly would not go there if they are still like they are now. He is on a roll now. Why would he want to ruin the great records and legacy he has now? He has already helped a team go from midfield to great. It would be like Schumacher coming back to join Mercedes and then leaving just before they got good only the other way around.

Sorry I meant leclerc and staying at Ferrari, with rumours that he is a little unhappy

AMKC

Santan wrote: »

Sorry I meant leclerc and staying at Ferrari, with rumours that he is a little unhappy

If merc were to lose Hamilton for whatever reason, I think he is the go to guy.

Awe but you did say this too ^^

I was just saying I don't think Hamilton wants to go through all that again. He has done it with Mercedes. Certainly not if Ferrari can't be at least as competitive as the top team whenever he decides to leave Mercedes. The only hope of him going to Ferrari would be is if they have got there act together.

I am sure he would have liked to be at Ferrari at some stage in his career but not if it means he only gets 2nd, 3rd or less places and is not winning constantly. What would be the point? I also think there is a lot of Ferrari fans that do not like him and going there now is not going to change that.

Inquitus

AMKC wrote: »

If merc were to lose Hamilton for whatever reason, I think he is the go to guy.

Awe but you did say this too ^^

I was just saying I don't think Hamilton wants to go through all that again. He has done it with Mercedes. Certainly not if Ferrari can't be at least as competitive as the top team whenever he decides to leave Mercedes. The only hope of him going to Ferrari would be is if they have got there act together.

I am sure he would have liked to be at Ferrari at some stage in his career but not if it means he only gets 2nd, 3rd or less places and is not winning constantly. What would be the point? I also think there is a lot of Ferrari fans that do not like him and going there now is not going to change that.

I'd agree the only reason he should consider going there is if there is clear evidence they have a better car or a car on a par with the Merc, and why would Ferrari under those circumstances not want to put their faith in LeClerc who seems to have shown he is a better prospect than Vettel as things stand, they get to do it on their terms with their driver. The next time things will get properly shaken up enough for Ferrari to have a clear lead will be 2021 with the sweeping rule changes. It just seems all risk for Hamilton with little reward for either Hamilton or Ferrari if he does make a switch to a winning car. Just my 2c on why I think it won't happen.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

If Hamilton does end up at Ferrari it will be towards the end of his career firstly, but i think the real reason for it is to do what Ayrton Senna had planned to do but sadly never got to achieve it, during the week of the San Marino Grand Prix Senna allegedly discussed such a move with Di Montezemolo.

Apparently Senna planned to retire around 1997 and be in the Ferrari at that. interesting to think how history may have turned out if it happened, Schumacher may have stayed at Benetton for 1996 or else went to McLaren earlier than was proposed, wasn't it 1998 he was meant to join but Ron Dennis wouldn't allow him control over his own imaging rights?

chicorytip

AMKC wrote:

I don't think Hamilton is ever going to be a Ferrari. Why would he? I certainly would not go there if they are still like they are now. He is on a roll now. Why would he want to ruin the great records and legacy he has now? He has already helped a team go from midfield to great. It would be like Schumacher coming back to join Mercedes and then leaving just before they got good only the other way around.

I think he would go to Ferrari if the opportunity arose regardless of whether they had a winning car or not. If he wins another three titles with Merc he will be the most successful driver of all time and still young enough perform competitively, so he would have little to lose in reputation terms. It's pretty unlikely to happen though, particularly if Verstappen replaces Vettel.

chicorytip

flazio wrote:

Where else is there? Mercedes-Benz have Bottas or Ocon to partner Lewis, Red Bull are unlikely to look externally unless he goes for a season at Toro Rosso first, everywhere else is a step back. Give him time.

He is clearly in need of a good pep talk. His driving on Sunday was both impetuous and immature. I think they should have left him at Alfa for another season.

Santan

AMKC wrote: »

If merc were to lose Hamilton for whatever reason, I think he is the go to guy.

Awe but you did say this too ^^

Yeah I agree, I don't think Hamilton would move to a team to start a new building process again, I more so was thinking if he done a Rosberg on it and after maybe at the last season with the current rules, if he bags another 2 championships, decided to retire on top, unless Mercedes bring through a top rated younger driver in the next few years, then who would you be after, if I was in charge it, at the moment would be verstappen or leclerc, and based on Ferrari last 15 years, if I was leclerc, how could you have much faith in Ferrari, they would need to have some turn around in the next 3 years. If red bull get the Honda to work, I think they will have the beating of Ferrari over a season. 30 odd years of being a Ferrari fan, and now a leclerc fan, I think for his sake if next season is like this year, he should be eyeing for a move to replace Lewis, unless of course Jordan is correct and Mercedes are going to pull the plug once the next set of rule changes begin, but that really is just cat among the pigeons talk.

eviltimeban

Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: »

Apparently Senna planned to retire around 1997 and be in the Ferrari at that. interesting to think how history may have turned out if it happened, Schumacher may have stayed at Benetton for 1996 or else went to McLaren earlier than was proposed, wasn't it 1998 he was meant to join but Ron Dennis wouldn't allow him control over his own imaging rights?

Hill and Villeneuve probably wouldn't have been WDCs. Though a Senna / Villeneuve team mate battle would've been interesting; the veteran and the young hot driver of the day.

El_Duderino 09

chicorytip wrote: »

He is clearly in need of a good pep talk. His driving on Sunday was both impetuous and immature. I think they should have left him at Alfa for another season.

I disagree that they should have left him at alpha for another year. What's the poi t of getting in another diver for one year? Or keeping Kimi when they could take a chance on LeClerc being fast?

LeClerc is clearly an investment. They already have a tested winner in Vettel so they can take a chance on the other driver (granted Vettel isn't having a good season).

There's no point leaving him languishing at alpha for another season. It's good enough for putting Kimi out to pasture and for finding out if Gio is good or not. They already know LeClerc is fast so put him.in the car and give him a season to bed in. Ready to hit the ground running in year 2 with all the experience of driving for Ferrari for a season.

Adamocovic

chicorytip wrote: »

He is clearly in need of a good pep talk. His driving on Sunday was both impetuous and immature. I think they should have left him at Alfa for another season.

I don't agree that they should have left him at Alfa.

He's already shown this season he is good enough but he's definitely become very frustrated. He should have had the win in Bahrain but for engine problems, then there was the Ferrari team decisions that hampered him during races and now the strategy blunder at qualifying in his home GP.

Yes he drove very aggressively on the Sunday, but it's gas that's it's called impetuous and immature but when Max does it it's seen as great exciting driving by most. Up until the clash he had been very entertaining.

Like all drivers Leclerc has high demands and with a team underperforming it can frustrate you. We all know how vocal and frustrated they can get. What he needs is someone (ideally his teammate Vettel) to take him aside and talk to him. They're moving onto an easier track in Canada and one Ferrari will look to improve in.

Definitely no point in leaving him in the Alfa and sticking with Kimi.

Joeface

I think a lot of press and fans were expecting loads from both leclerc and Ferrari from the get go this season when really it should have taken time .

Gasly was 2 races in with the Redbull a car he described as been very different to drive from the Toro Rosso and he was taken time to adjust .Press and viewers all saying he was going to be gone or should be gone in a few races .
Each Race he has gotten better and the gap in qualifing to Max has come down. Maybe this is the approach Ferrai and leclerc himself should have taken . be the good number 2 learn the car . help the team . Your time will come and you will get your chances . I mean I like Vettel , but he does make mistakes .

RedBull will be able use Gasly more and more as the races go on.

It took DRic 5 races before he started to something in the Renault . Very rare its perfect from day one

Adamocovic

Joeface wrote: »

I think a lot of press and fans were expecting loads from both leclerc and Ferrari from the get go this season when really it should have taken time .

Gasly was 2 races in with the Redbull a car he described as been very different to drive from the Toro Rosso and he was taken time to adjust .Press and viewers all saying he was going to be gone or should be gone in a few races .
Each Race he has gotten better and the gap in qualifing to Max has come down. Maybe this is the approach Ferrai and leclerc himself should have taken . be the good number 2 learn the car . help the team . Your time will come and you will get your chances . I mean I like Vettel , but he does make mistakes .

RedBull will be able use Gasly more and more as the races go on.

It took DRic 5 races before he started to something in the Renault . Very rare its perfect from day one

I think expectations we're heightened with the pole early on and the race he should have won.

Patience is key from him, the team and the fans like you say but the start drummed up the hype, after which theres been some terribly bad luck or mistakes.

I have a feeling he'll be regrouped for Canada, a track I'd expect Lewis to run away with but with Bottas picking up who knows, definitely think Ferraris can get some good points on the board.

El_Duderino 09

Joeface wrote: »

I think a lot of press and fans were expecting loads from both leclerc and Ferrari from the get go this season when really it should have taken time .

Actually I think that narrative has only emerged in the last few weeks.

I remember before the season started and expectations for LeClerc were very low. If he could live with Vettel without necessarily beating him, then his season would be seen as a massive success.

That's pretty much exactly what he's done and somehow expectations have changed. He's on 57 points to Vettel on 83. He's the only ferrari driver to have almost won a race this season.

If he had won that race he'd be on 66 points only 16 behind Vettel and he would be a race winner Through doing nothing differently.

I say leave him alone this year. He's probably smashed his performance targets already. Let him make his mistakes this year.

Charlie-Bravo

Ooh, it's silly season already. Hulkenberg's chance of an F1 podium in his career are sadly dwindling.

eviltimeban

Hulk is on the way out, not the way in. Would be great if he got a podium though.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Linked with Red Bull for 2020? That would bag him a podium surely.

Charlie-Bravo

Hulk/Gasly switch maybe? Do Renault want a French driver?

Adamocovic

Hulkenberg is an odd one. I really like him but you get that feeling that it may just never happen for him. I always thought he'd be suited for Ferrari but with Vettel and Leclerc there it will never happen.

He finds himself in the top 10 for a lot of the most unwanted leaderboards in F1. It's crazy really:

Most Races without a win: 4th (162 starts)
Most Career starts without a podium: 1st (162 starts)
Most Points without a win: 2nd (480 points)
Most Points without a championship: 9th (480 points)
Most Laps led without a win: 9th (43 laps)

skipper_G

Where did that rumour even come from?! Red Bull, one of the top 3 teams are actively looking to recruit a driver from a midfield team who's not able to beat the driver they lost. Biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard, even for F1 that's a ludicrous suggestion

ayux4rj6zql2ph

skipper_G wrote: »

Where did that rumour even come from?! Red Bull, one of the top 3 teams are actively looking to recruit a driver from a midfield team who's not able to beat the driver they lost. Biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard, even for F1 that's a ludicrous suggestion

Seems to be from Italy?

https://www.theweek.co.uk/formula-1/101484/f1-news-nico-hulkenberg-renault-pierre-gasly-red-bull-verstappen-leclerc-ferrari

Convenient that Toro Rosso are also located there, did the leak come from them?