John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Zebra3

If you look at the state of our healthcare system you can see voters here don't care about it.

Too many just want tax cuts over decent public services and more and more roads.

Striving for an equitable society in which football can play a significant role in disadvantaged areas by being properly funded doesn't come in to the reckoning when some party proposes an extra fiver a week in the pocket of the average earner.

Dots1982

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you look at the state of our healthcare system you can see voters here don't care about it.

Too many just want tax cuts over decent public services and more and more roads.

Striving for an equitable society in which football can play a significant role in disadvantaged areas by being properly funded doesn't come in to the reckoning when some party proposes an extra fiver a week in the pocket of the average earner.

True, thats just the way it is. Although i would say that the HSE has an annual budget of 16 billion so you don’t get that kind of cash without being a hot button issue with voters.

yabadabado

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you look at the state of our healthcare system you can see voters here don't care about it.

Too many just want tax cuts over decent public services and more and more roads.

Striving for an equitable society in which football can play a significant role in disadvantaged areas by being properly funded doesn't come in to the reckoning when some party proposes an extra fiver a week in the pocket of the average earner.

The health care system in this country isnt in a mess because of lack of funding. It gets huge backing each year but the wastage is unbelievable.

c montgomery

Zebra3 wrote: »

Our right-wing governments "invest" in the likes of horse racing because it's a handy way of giving taxpayers' money to their mates.

Keep your voters and political sponsors happy.

Right wing?!!!!

A gay emigrant prime minister

Dole is 200 euro/week

Get your head out of your arse

howiya

howiya wrote: »

Yep definitely not a bad idea. At present if you place a bet on a football match the betting tax paid by the bookie is effectively funding horse racing and not football.

Its something all sports should benefit from.

It’s a bad idea when you see where the money goes (or don’t see where it goes) with the cowboys in our association. It would be a good idea with an association ran by honest people.

Seth Brundle

c montgomery wrote: »

Right wing?!!!!

A gay emigrant prime minister

Dole is 200 euro/week

Get your head out of your arse

Leo is not an emigrant/immigrant as he was born and lives in Dublin.

It’s more of a blue blood west Brit government than a right wing one.

Zebra3

yabadabado wrote: »

The health care system in this country isnt in a mess because of lack of funding. It gets huge backing each year but the wastage is unbelievable.

100% correct.

c montgomery wrote: »

Right wing?!!!!

A gay emigrant prime minister

Dole is 200 euro/week

Get your head out of your arse

Google paying no tax on what, €40BN revenue while the homeless die in the streets?

€200 a week isn't much to live on in this country.

yabadabado

€200 a week for doing nothing is extremely generous.

FixdePitchmark

Dots1982 wrote: »

Horse racing does bring a lot of money into the country.

Also we are the Brazil of producing horses for speed. The Sheikhs aren’t here for the weather.

Finally, governments here, in my opinion, treats sport (Including the equine industry) as a source of tax income. Investing in sport because people like it or because it’s good to keep down obesity and health expenditure is not considered. Government plan to keep down obesity through the sugar tax. Because tax is income for the Government.

That’s just how Ireland works when it comes to sport.

Our sporting infrastructure is pretty damn **** for a rich western country.

well we could get more tax income from horse and gambling industries and reinvest in more worthwhile cause .
Horses are basically dog food.
gambling destroys lives.

yet somehow these industry are practically tax free and getting outrageous support for capital investments too.

Soccer with far more participation is on it's knees investment wise .

Again there is validity in the comparison. It should form part of the lobbying argument.

The_Kew_Tour

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

well we could get more tax income from horse and gambling industries and reinvest in more worthwhile cause .
Horses are basically dog food.
gambling destroys lives.

yet somehow these industry are practically tax free and getting outrageous support for capital investments too.

Soccer with far more participation is on it's knees investment wise .

Again there is validity in the comparison. It should form part of the lobbying argument.

This post is spot on.

Horse Racing gets a easy ride(no pun intended).

Dots1982

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Horses are basically dog food.

Pigs, chickens and cows are human food. What ultimately is the difference?

Horse racing only exists for gambling. If you couldn’t bet on it not a sinner would watch it.

Irishmale0399

Lads comparing football to horse racing is like comparing apples and oranges.....

Horse racing:
- created jobs and is an industry in Ireland (breeding, training, sales, food, vets, farms........)
- huge taxes from betting
- winnings partly taxed in Ireland
- horse owners have money....politicians like such people

Football:
- FAI offers (mostly low paid) 200 jobs
- LOI doesnt create the betting income to tax
- LOI clubs normally cost money as they dont make profits and most have gone belly up at some point
- clubs are not owned by individuals....political lobby is non existant

The LOI has to start lobbying alone. The FAI have never been interested and indeed have only ever lobbied for their own interests and not those of the majority of the LOI clubs in need of funding.

FixdePitchmark

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lads comparing football to horse racing is like comparing apples and oranges.....

Horse racing:
- created jobs and is an industry in Ireland (breeding, training, sales, food, vets, farms........)
- huge taxes from betting
- winnings partly taxed in Ireland
- horse owners have money....politicians like such people

Football:
- FAI offers (mostly low paid) 200 jobs
- LOI doesnt create the betting income to tax
- LOI clubs normally cost money as they dont make profits and most have gone belly up at some point
- clubs are not owned by individuals....political lobby is non existant

The LOI has to start lobbying alone. The FAI have never been interested and indeed have only ever lobbied for their own interests and not those of the majority of the LOI clubs in need of funding.

But it is the cart before the horse .

The reason horse racing is a massive industry is because they got a massive investment.

Football can be a massive industry, look at uk ,
Scotland
and even smaller nations like Switzerland and Belgium.

Saying we can't do same is just wrong.

There was no computer industry in Ireland in the 80s .

A massive national investment is justified versus the cruel and dodgy industries of horse racing and gambling.

Irishmale0399

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But it is the cart before the horse .

The reason horse racing is a massive industry is because they got a massive investment.

Football can be a massive industry, look at uk ,
Scotland
and even smaller nations like Switzerland and Belgium.

Saying we can't do same is just wrong.

There was no computer industry in Ireland in the 80s .

A massive national investment is justified versus the cruel and dodgy industries of horse racing and gambling.

I agree with you 110% however fact is and remains;

Every horse has a wealthy owner, a trainer, jockey.......food supplier.....vet....transport company, bookmakers....racing events. Thats a lot of people and jobs for one horse and it means a lot of lobby from various professions making up the industry.

Now if you look at Irish football as it stood under the FAI....and to a certain level how it is today;

AVIVA was built for the national team, very seldom full, Rovers got Tallaght (board member very friendly with FAI board according to recent reports), Cork playing in a stadium owned by the MFA (JDs family very active within the MFA).

The FAI lobbied for their own interests and not those of the greater LOI, they kept clubs poor so that they could not revolt, perfect example being drip feeding Dundalk their Euro winnings (club would have been worth more than the FAI). Now you have a LOI with bog standard facilities, many clubs still part time, low marketing income, no TV income....low attendences.

Who or how do you lobby the government to invest in the product LOI and justify it?? FAI yes, kids, womens football etc., however the LOI is a totally different ball game and wont be getting millions thrown at it any time soon. The best thing the LOI could do is get together, put a marketing plan together and then after 1 or 2 seasons go to the government and say....town X,Y or Z needs a ground or improvement. Lets do it and we will leave you in peace for 1 or 2 years on big projects. Get government assurances that investment will come gradually in return for clubs being run correctly.

Corholio

The comparison between soccer and horse racing is pretty futile to be honest. Horse Racing is barely a sport, it's a betting mechanism with the actual sport of it as the sideline interest financially and interest wise. Almost no ideas can be cross compared in any sort of general way. Horse Racing had huge amounts pumped in because it was a betting playground and status competition for Sheikhs .

Football here needs it's own ideas and infrastructure to rebuild.

Irishmale0399

Corholio wrote: »

Football here needs it's own ideas and infrastructure to rebuild.

First of all it needs more paying fans....

Zebra3

yabadabado wrote: »

€200 a week for doing nothing is extremely generous.

It's not for nothing. It's an allowance paid to those who have to prove they are actively seeking work.

Irishmale0399

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

First of all it needs more paying fans....

An leadership that won’t bury and pocket everything that is paid.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's not for nothing. It's an allowance paid to those who have to prove they are actively seeking work.

In theory.

secman

Talk about about a thread being detrailed... JD must be still at work ...

yabadabado

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's not for nothing. It's an allowance paid to those who have to prove they are actively seeking work.

The proof is fairly easy to get,its a box ticking exercise for the most part.

It's as close to for nothing as you can get.

yabadabado

secman wrote: »

Talk about about a thread being detrailed... JD must be still at work ...

He was out and about in Waterford last night,enjoying his retirement.

Irishmale0399

yabadabado wrote: »

He was out and about in Waterford last night,enjoying his retirement.

Did he buy you a few cans or give you tie???

yabadabado

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Did he buy you a few cans or give you tie???

Didn't take either off him before so hardly going to start now.

Irishmale0399

yabadabado wrote: »

Didn't take either off him before so hardly going to start now.

Ahhh come one...he is JD the private man now. All forgiven and forgotten...have to look the future and follow Mr. Conways example. :eek::P:P

kippy

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But it is the cart before the horse .

The reason horse racing is a massive industry is because they got a massive investment.

Football can be a massive industry, look at uk ,
Scotland
and even smaller nations like Switzerland and Belgium.

Saying we can't do same is just wrong.

There was no computer industry in Ireland in the 80s .

A massive national investment is justified versus the cruel and dodgy industries of horse racing and gambling.

100% agree with this.

Some, specificily dots above, suggest that there's no money is soccer and no chance it will be given any money unless it becomes an "election issue" - absolute nonsense.
I've already said it multiple times on this thread but the issue with soccer in the country is the people involved at the administrative levels - that much has to be blindingly obvious at this point in time. But obviously not to posters such as dots and indeed others.

Soccer administration appears to be full of folks looking out for themselves and to line their own pockets and/or completely inept folk in key positions - or at least this has been the case for the past two decades or more. That's why there are some deficincies in how the sport is funded.
Irish soccer is reaping what it has sown over the years and until the right people get involved it isn't gonna change.

The Rooster

Zebra3 wrote: »

100% correct.



Google paying no tax on what, €40BN revenue while the homeless die in the streets?

It's bizarre that some people actually believe this nonsense.

Accounts are publicly available and information can be easily checked!

In 2018, Google Ireland Limited paid €270M in corporation tax and another €40M in Employers' PRSI. They employed 3,600 people in Ireland and paid salaries of €400M. And you pick them to have a moan about?? Whatever left wing moron gives you your information must think you're very gullible.

Zebra3

The Rooster wrote: »

It's bizarre that some people actually believe this nonsense.

Accounts are publicly available and information can be easily checked!

In 2018, Google Ireland Limited paid €270M in corporation tax and another €40M in Employers' PRSI. They employed 3,600 people in Ireland and paid salaries of €400M. And you pick them to have a moan about?? Whatever left wing moron gives you your information must think you're very gullible.

Gullible?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/google-uses-double-irish-loophole-to-pay-no-tax-on-40bn-of-profits-x2bq6c5fk

The Times, so left-wing.