John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Irishmale0399

Umaro wrote: »

Good news everyone

The FAI are now debt free.

Did they rob bitcoins or win the Euro millions??

Zebra3

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Did they rob bitcoins or win the Euro millions??

It's 2020.

Irishmale0399

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's 2020.

Who made that statement?? Did you believe a word the man said before any of this was made public??? If so bigger fool you....

salmocab

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Who made that statement?? Did you believe a word the man said before any of this was made public??? If so bigger fool you....

I think the poster may have been joking.

Irishmale0399

salmocab wrote: »

I think the poster may have been joking.

Not a time to be joking, would you be joking if you were not sure if you were getting paid this week or if you were not sure if you would have a job next week?? Would you be laughing if you had to accept the situation whilst John D left with a €600K payoff and no punishment???


As I have said many times in here and now that the normal hard workers within the FAI are on the ropes its time for the following;


1. Conways and other former board members expenses to be revealed in full
2. Council and board members (past and present) to be forensically audited and investigated
3. Supporter Clubs to face the same
4. Major investments from the government to the FAI should be investigated - how did the FAI decide where money went...
5. Sports Ireland should be turned upsidedown
6. Government should step in, cover basic pay for FAI employees at non management levels
7. Time to stop hiding behind lawyers and audits....


Its now time for anyone who claims to be an Irish football fan to boycott anything FAI related. They understand only one thing...Money....if there is no cash they will all run very quickly.

salmocab

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Not a time to be joking, would you be joking if you were not sure if you were getting paid this week or if you were not sure if you would have a job next week?? Would you be laughing if you had to accept the situation whilst John D left with a €600K payoff and no punishment???


As I have said many times in here and now that the normal hard workers within the FAI are on the ropes its time for the following;


1. Conways and other former board members expenses to be revealed in full
2. Council and board members (past and present) to be forensically audited and investigated
3. Supporter Clubs to face the same
4. Major investments from the government to the FAI should be investigated - how did the FAI decide where money went...
5. Sports Ireland should be turned upsidedown
6. Government should step in, cover basic pay for FAI employees at non management levels
7. Time to stop hiding behind lawyers and audits....


Its now time for anyone who claims to be an Irish football fan to boycott anything FAI related. They understand only one thing...Money....if there is no cash they will all run very quickly.

I don’t think anyone joking in here is likely to affect what’s happening. It was a good joke to be fair.

Irishmale0399

salmocab wrote: »

I don’t think anyone joking in here is likely to affect what’s happening. It was a good joke to be fair.

It was a good joke however one should not forget that FAI employees are also able to use boards.ie. I personally thank god do not work for them however I know 1 or 2 people who regularly are in here...;)

salmocab

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

It was a good joke however one should not forget that FAI employees are also able to use boards.ie. I personally thank god do not work for them however I know 1 or 2 people who regularly are in here...;)

I’m not sure how that affects anything. The joke wasn’t about people’s jobs.

Irishmale0399

salmocab wrote: »

I’m not sure how that affects anything. The joke wasn’t about people’s jobs.

99% of the people posting here got their wages this week, maybe even a bonus...the people working in the FAI dont know if they will have a job next week because of the gobsh1te who made the 2020 debt free statement. Not sure many of the 200 odd employees would be happy to be reminded of it under the circumstances.

salmocab

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

99% of the people posting here got their wages this week, maybe even a bonus...the people working in the FAI dont know if they will have a job next week because of the gobsh1te who made the 2020 debt free statement. Not sure many of the 200 odd employees would be happy to be reminded of it under the circumstances.

Ah leave it out, if they don’t want to be reminded then I doubt they are reading this.

Zebra3

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Who made that statement?? Did you believe a word the man said before any of this was made public??? If so bigger fool you....

Have a day off, Trig.

Irishmale0399

It just keeps coming;

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/crisis-hit-fai-owes-gardai-almost-360k-for-policing-ireland-matches-last-year-38832109.html

Umaro

At least let Delaney share his side of the story - perhaps he was going to travel around to regional Garda stations and give each one a cheque?

FixdePitchmark

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

It just keeps coming;

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/crisis-hit-fai-owes-gardai-almost-360k-for-policing-ireland-matches-last-year-38832109.html

Imagine not paying the Garda

Anyone know where Wally is - very disappointing lack of cameras at his house, at his face in his face.

Seth Brundle

He has some neck...
FAI lobbied Government for cut of bookies’ profits which it called ‘commercial exploitation of football competitions’

Zebra3

Seth Brundle wrote: »

He has some neck...
FAI lobbied Government for cut of bookies’ profits which it called ‘commercial exploitation of football competitions’

Did that not happen in England whereby the Football Trust which gave grants for ground improvements was funded by a tax on the football pools?

yabadabado

Zebra3 wrote: »

Did that not happen in England whereby the Football Trust which gave grants for ground improvements was funded by a tax on the football pools?

It done in other countries and isnt a bad idea.

howiya

Yep definitely not a bad idea. At present if you place a bet on a football match the betting tax paid by the bookie is effectively funding horse racing and not football.

Its something all sports should benefit from.

Umaro

I think the FAI were scraping the bottom of the barrel with this request. They were already receiving funding from betting companies in the form of pitchside advertising and sponsorships, so I don't think they had much of a chance taking away a chunk of the revenue from the Horse and Greyhound Fund.

Also, I'm not really sure the racing comparison even stands up. Those industries exist solely because people like to gamble on them, and there's around 350 Irish race meetings per year. The Irish international team plays about 4-5 competitive games per year. Bookmakers would not survive without the funds generated by horseracing whereas they could give up markets on Irish football tomorrow. The betting tax that the racing industry gets is an equitable share of the huge amount of money they're generating. I doubt the combined total from Irish internationals + the League of Ireland exceeds the total bet from a single Man Utd/Liverpool game.

It doesn't make sense to me why the FAI thought they were entitled to a cut of the money that gets gambled on Premier League.

howiya

Umaro wrote: »

I think the FAI were scraping the bottom of the barrel with this request. They were already receiving funding from betting companies in the form of pitchside advertising and sponsorships, so I don't think they had much of a chance taking away a chunk of the revenue from the Horse and Greyhound Fund.

Also, I'm not really sure the racing comparison even stands up. Those industries exist solely because people like to gamble on them, and there's around 350 Irish race meetings per year. The Irish international team plays about 4-5 competitive games per year. Bookmakers would not survive without the funds generated by horseracing whereas they could give up markets on Irish football tomorrow. The betting tax that the racing industry gets is an equitable share of the huge amount of money they're generating. I doubt the combined total from Irish internationals + the League of Ireland exceeds the total bet from a single Man Utd/Liverpool game.

It doesn't make sense to me why the FAI thought they were entitled to a cut of the money that gets gambled on Premier League.

The betting tax received by the racing industry is not an equitable share of the huge amount of money they're generating. Its 1-2% of bets wagered.

That's beside the point though. Why should 1% of money bet on soccer, tennis or any other sport go to horse racing?

I presume you're against HRI getting money from bets placed on Cheltenham or Ascot etc if you don't think the FAI should get money from bets placed on matches outside its jurisdiction.

topmanamillion

howiya wrote: »

The betting tax received by the racing industry is not an equitable share of the huge amount of money they're generating. Its 1-2% of bets wagered.

That's beside the point though. Why should 1% of money bet on soccer, tennis or any other sport go to horse racing?

I presume you're against HRI getting money from bets placed on Cheltenham or Ascot etc if you don't think the FAI should get money from bets placed on matches outside its jurisdiction.

Just to weigh in here. I'm against the FAI getting any money from betting to fund their operation in Abbotstown. I think that would just lead to ridiculous situations like us rocking up to European championships with the top 5 best paid management team despite being one of the weaker sides at the competition, as happened at the last 2 Euros.

I think betting tax money should be funnelled into grassroots football. Also money should be ring fenced as grants to improve LOI infrastructure.
A commitment of €10 million per year from betting tax would be equivalent to the money greyhound and horse racing gets.
A 50/50 split or €5 million each to grassroots and league of Ireland clubs over the next 10 years would provide significant infrastructural improvements over the next 10 years.

Every large town in the country having a quality playing pitch and dressing room.
20 LOI clubs with a fit for purpose stadium with a training pitch. Not 10,000 seater stadiums, just fit for purpose.

Those would be very realistic goals and lead to much better opportunities for girls and boys to play sport at a local or national level.
Pie in the sky stuff because for some unknown reason the most played sport in the country isn't deserving of the same funding racing gets or a fraction of what GAA gets.

howiya

topmanamillion wrote: »

Just to weigh in here. I'm against the FAI getting any money from betting to fund their operation in Abbotstown. I think that would just lead to ridiculous situations like us rocking up to European championships with the top 5 best paid management team despite being one of the weaker sides at the competition, as happened at the last 2 Euros.

I think betting tax money should be funnelled into grassroots football. Also money should be ring fenced as grants to improve LOI infrastructure.
A commitment of €10 million per year from betting tax would be equivalent to the money greyhound and horse racing gets.
A 50/50 split or €5 million each to grassroots and league of Ireland clubs over the next 10 years would provide significant infrastructural improvements over the next 10 years.

Every large town in the country having a quality playing pitch and dressing room.
20 LOI clubs with a fit for purpose stadium with a training pitch. Not 10,000 seater stadiums, just fit for purpose.

Those would be very realistic goals and lead to much better opportunities for girls and boys to play sport at a local or national level.
Pie in the sky stuff because for some unknown reason the most played sport in the country isn't deserving of the same funding racing gets or a fraction of what GAA gets.

Yeah I'm not suggesting it be spent on delaneys next birthday party.

The one thing I would disagree with you on is spending it on capital projects. Grants should be available for these projects outside of the betting tax. HRI still get grants for capital projects in addition to the funding they get for use on current expenditure.

If we can fund prize money for the likes of JP McManus maybe we can fund prize money for the league of Ireland.

Emmet Malone had a decent article on the subject of the betting tax last year. Will try find it.

CrabRevolution

topmanamillion wrote: »

Just to weigh in here. I'm against the FAI getting any money from betting to fund their operation in Abbotstown. I think that would just lead to ridiculous situations like us rocking up to European championships with the top 5 best paid management team despite being one of the weaker sides at the competition, as happened at the last 2 Euros.

I think betting tax money should be funnelled into grassroots football. Also money should be ring fenced as grants to improve LOI infrastructure.
A commitment of €10 million per year from betting tax would be equivalent to the money greyhound and horse racing gets.
A 50/50 split or €5 million each to grassroots and league of Ireland clubs over the next 10 years would provide significant infrastructural improvements over the next 10 years.

Every large town in the country having a quality playing pitch and dressing room.
20 LOI clubs with a fit for purpose stadium with a training pitch. Not 10,000 seater stadiums, just fit for purpose.

Those would be very realistic goals and lead to much better opportunities for girls and boys to play sport at a local or national level.
Pie in the sky stuff because for some unknown reason the most played sport in the country isn't deserving of the same funding racing gets or a fraction of what GAA gets.

Whatever about horse racing, have you any figures to back this up?

johnnyryan89

howiya wrote: »

Yeah I'm not suggesting it be spent on delaneys next birthday party.

The one thing I would disagree with you on is spending it on capital projects. Grants should be available for these projects outside of the betting tax. HRI still get grants for capital projects in addition to the funding they get for use on current expenditure.

If we can fund prize money for the likes of JP McManus maybe we can fund prize money for the league of Ireland.

Emmet Malone had a decent article on the subject of the betting tax last year. Will try find it.

The one problem with that would be clubs would just use the money to improve their playing squads. I'm not fully sure how the grants work but I remember before that Limerick had issues in getting grants because they only had a yearly lease on the ground they were using. Could be something that affects clubs looking to improve infrastructure through grants.

You'd need to put something in place that money from this pot has to be spent on infrastructure, the underage set up, education etc and not to be spent on offering players bigger wages. Even if it's for some clubs to squirrel the money away so as they can finally build or buy a place to call their own. Then after awhile loosen the reins and let clubs spend some money on offering players a better wage. But any money coming into the league should be used to grow a solid foundation for the future, otherwise clubs will just use it to get into Europe and try win the league.

FixdePitchmark

There is no doubt, whilst a side topic .

The tax status of horse racing and betting has to be fully reviewed in this country. Both morally dodgy areas.

They are swaning around with world class facilities and the league of Ireland are playing in sheds , whilst soccer provides a far more important social need. Look at curragh race track redevelopment for an example, crazy stuff in comparison.

There was a valid point in there somewhere.

Whilst Delaney had the neck of a jockeys bollix. We should lobby in the same way as them gangsters.

Dots1982

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

There is no doubt, whilst a side topic .

The tax status of horse racing and betting has to be fully reviewed in this country. Both morally dodgy areas.

They are swaning around with world class facilities and the league of Ireland are playing in sheds , whilst soccer provides a far more important social need. Look at curragh race track redevelopment for an example, crazy stuff in comparison.

There was a valid point in there somewhere.

Whilst Delaney had the neck of a jockeys bollix. We should lobby in the same way as them gangsters.

Horse racing does bring a lot of money into the country.

Also we are the Brazil of producing horses for speed. The Sheikhs aren’t here for the weather.

Finally, governments here, in my opinion, treats sport (Including the equine industry) as a source of tax income. Investing in sport because people like it or because it’s good to keep down obesity and health expenditure is not considered. Government plan to keep down obesity through the sugar tax. Because tax is income for the Government.

That’s just how Ireland works when it comes to sport.

Our sporting infrastructure is pretty damn **** for a rich western country.

Zebra3

Our right-wing governments "invest" in the likes of horse racing because it's a handy way of giving taxpayers' money to their mates.

Keep your voters and political sponsors happy.

sydthebeat

Soccer in Ireland is on a hiding to nothing if they think pointing at Irish horse racing industry and crying "we want that" is giong to get them anything at all.

Irish horse racing is seen as part of the top class international racing and breeding industry.

They have almost 30,000 employees (direct and associate) and spend the best part of 2 billion euro in the economy. Yes, that's Billion. They are significantly important for pocketed rural economic areas.

Soccer, in comparison, is a very low cost sport. The expenditure into the economy wouldn't be a fraction of the above and if course their image internationally is now destroyed. The FAI are also not a very good example of a system for developing youngsters to top level international competitors.

Dots1982

Zebra3 wrote: »

Our right-wing governments "invest" in the likes of horse racing because it's a handy way of giving taxpayers' money to their mates.

Keep your voters and political sponsors happy.

Not sure there is that many votes in horse racing. It’s means an incredible amount to a small amount of people.

Dots1982

In my opinion there is no proof there is any money in Irish soccer and no proof there ever will be.

If you therefore want to change the amount of Government investment in Irish soccer then the only way to do is through making it an election issue., i.e. Paddy doesn’t push the interests of Irish soccer enough then Paddy doesn’t get elected.

But ultimately people (rightly) prioritize health care etc over Domestic soccer and so Irish domestic soccer is always likely to stay small time and poor....unfortunately.