FTTH installation equipment ONT / ODP / Wireless Routers etc...

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

Look at it from the providers perspective:

9 out of 10 calls about speed on a support hotline, it's wifi problems. Not broadband problems. Or self-introduced problems by using powerline adapters, which are the pits.

And it's people that don't understand, that they have to test on a cable and ensure, that no other traffic is being used, while they test (as in switch the wifi on the router off).

A decent ISP will have the tools to test the line properly and also for a fixed wireless provider to test from the antenna on the customers roof to the edge of their network.

If they can't do that, then that's sad.

But the majority of issues that people have are wifi interference (cattle cams, baby cams, rogue video senders, other wifi routers on the same channel, insulation, placing the router on a metal object .. like a filing cabinet .. etc. etc. etc. etc)

So because the consumer instantly blames the provider for any issue without doing any troubleshooting themselves and doesn't follow a simple set of instructions on how to test, you will find that some support staff instantly tell the customer to do proper testing first.

Also .. consumers seem to be obsessed with their broadband speed. I agree, that if it dips to 1 Mbit/s, then that's an issue. But if you only see 30 our of maybe 100 Mbit/s, it may be a good plan to find out, if that bandwidth is being used on your end and not instantly pick up the phone, call the provider and threaten them with cancellation. That's what the majority do.

That that's not the way it should be, that's one story. But consumer ignorance is actually what is pushing that behavior.

/M

ah your always going to get people / consumers bad mouth service / products / companies / whatever - it stems back to the "the customer is always right" thing... even if they are wrong

I have had it over the years I have repaired and sold Dell PC's and laptops . they have been fine but you might have had someone with a faulty one or a piece of software goes wron or the O/S (windows) has a problem and its like "I am never gonna buy a Dell computer ever again they are ****e!" - and they tell their friends and family not to buy a dell PC (it does happen with other makes by the way) ... but now I hear , even just the other day from someone who posted up on facebook "oh, dont go with eir for broadband they are a bunch of <expletives> use someone else " - I suppose if thats a big firm they might be able to suffer it , if its a small firm local FTTH ISP supplier and got a bad name it could put them out of business . - I suppose it is always going to be like that, that even if you try to do everything right , if they have it in their head that your crap or offering a poor service they will let you know about it ... or maybe not let you know about it and go somewhere else .. but will let others know like their families and friends and people on facebook and twitter know!

Andy From Sligo

BArra wrote: »

the future OLT on Andys wall certainly isn't

that's hypothetical in 2 ways .. its an ONT and number 2 I havent got any ONT on my wall (at the moment)

Andy From Sligo

its a shame the ONT's dont work in the same way as a ADSL router does in the respect of you plug it into a Tel master socket and on the ADSL router it 'trains' as it looks for an ADSL signal for about a minute and then connects to the ADSL

See with my limited knowledge on how ONT's worked (before I was told numerous times over and over again by boards members until my ears bled) that the ONT's are registered by serial number on the OLT .. I originally thought that you plug your patch cable from the ODP into your ONT , and the PON light flashes and after a while locks onto the signal .. thats what I originally thought happened

BArra

that's why I said future Andy, and I think everybody who reads this forum is looking forward to you getting connected

lets hope there are no issues with your install when the time comes, how unfortunate would it be to have an issue causing a failed install for you

Andy From Sligo

BArra wrote: »

that's why I said future Andy, and I think everybody who reads this forum is looking forward to you getting connected

lets hope there are no issues with your install when the time comes, how unfortunate would it be to have an issue causing a failed install for you

my bad - I didnt see the future bit

yep - i am normally an optimist , but even i have set myself up for a failed installation - have heard of so many people getting failed after failed installation for one reason or other and my luck lately I can just hear the voices in my head saying "your duct is blocked" or "there is no light at the DP" or "there is an ongoing technical problem at the exchange" .. I am even convincing myself that I am not going to get it installed for christmas because there has been so many delays in our area for fibre that I will only believe I have it when the equipment is on the wall and all correct lights are flashing and that I can get pages on the Internet .... then I will believe it!

would you believe an eir rep came to our front door in August i think it was and said "Fibre is now live in the area - shall I sign you up for FTTH?" and i said how long until its fitted and he said "3 weeks wait because we have a rush of orders!"

Andy From Sligo

BArra wrote: »

have a look here Andy - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057927096

thanks for pointing me to that .


Originally Posted by Marlow View Post
- Vodafone: Lottery of A) HG658(Old, slow) B)HG659 (less slow) C) Gigastation/Powerstation SHG3000 (v.Nice on paper)
- Eir: Huawei HG659
- Digiweb: Fritz!Box
- Sky: Sky Q box (Unique to Sky)

- Airwire: Fritz!Box, Mikrotik or your own (if compatible)
- BBNet: Mikrotik
- Carnsore Broadband: Fritz!Box
- Fastcom: Fritz!Box
- Net1: Fritz!Box
- Pure Telecom: Technicolor
- Westnet: Fritz!Box

I'm using a vodafone HG659 at the moment on my system on fixed wireless going through the WAN socket - its an OK router. wireless strength wise and is Dual Band 802.11ac

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

its a shame the ONT's dont work in the same way as a ADSL router does in the respect of you plug it into a Tel master socket and on the ADSL router it 'trains' as it looks for an ADSL signal for about a minute and then connects to the ADSL

Erh .. and you do know, how unreliable ADSL is in regards to speeds etc., right ?

Exactly that right there is the reason, why it's done once, correct and to a quality standard. So that you have reliable internet with a cosistent physical data transfer speed, when it comes to FTTH.

And with greater distance (20km FTTH, 5km max ADSL, 2km max VDSL) and then multiple subscriber on the same circuit, you have to work to a higher quality standard.

So .. your aim is, that for your own convenience, you want to degrade peoples service.

/M

tuxy

Andy have a look into GPON, why a passive system is used and the advantages of the passive system. You're only looking at the negative side of a passive system.

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

Erh .. and you do know, how unreliable ADSL is in regards to speeds etc., right ?

Exactly that right there is the reason, why it's done once, correct and to a quality standard. So that you have reliable internet with a cosistent physical data transfer speed, when it comes to FTTH.

And with greater distance (20km FTTH, 5km max ADSL, 2km max VDSL) and then multiple subscriber on the same circuit, you have to work to a higher quality standard.

So .. your aim is, that for your own convenience, you want to degrade peoples service.

/M

no, stop putting words in my mouth - I dont want to degrade anyones service - I am just saying that with an ADSL router it looks for ADSL signal then locks onto it and i thought before with an ONT it searched for Gpon and didnt need to register the ONT serial number with the OLT - why are you being so pedantic particularly with my posts?

I get it - you know more than me when it comes to FTTH infrastructure - good!

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

no, stop putting words in my mouth - I dont want to degrade anyones service - I am just saying that with an ADSL router it looks for ADSL signal then locks onto it and i thought before with an ONT it searched for Gpon and didnt need to register the ONT serial number with the OLT

That's fine for xDSL, where the router has a direct connection to the DSLAM and it can optimize for that one device.

That does not work, when you have to accomodate up to 128 devices on the same path. You can't have them all talk at different speeds/modes etc.

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

- why are you being so pedantic particularly with my posts?

Because you so pedanticly ignore everything you're told, don't do any thorough research yourself, expect to be spoon fed information and then discard it a page later making the same suggestions again because the answers didn't suit you.

That may be ok once, but you do it all the time and constant. It's like goes in one side and right through out on the other side.

Even that wouldn't be a problem, if you applied a bit common sense. But you don't. You get an idea and you stick with it. No matter how stupid it is and no matter how much nonsense technically it is.

/M

Marlow

Not only that. People have posted quotes here, that were previous answers to your questions ... and you confirmed yourself that you either didn't read them or didn't read up on the matter afterwards.

You also ask questions, that are answered elsewhere on the boards broadband forum within the last week. Which means, you didn't read those either (like what router for what ISP ... that's a fresh thread, going a few days). So you never do any research before you ask.

You then throw insulting comments at people that follow from the other thread to give you more personal enlightenment.

Which tells us one thing: you don't give a darn about the people responding to you here. Or the actual technology in question.

/M

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

That's fine for xDSL, where the router has a direct connection to the DSLAM and it can optimize for that one device.

That does not work, when you have to accomodate up to 128 devices on the same path. You can't have them all talk at different speeds/modes etc.



Because you so pedanticly ignore everything you're told, don't do any thorough research yourself, expect to be spoon fed information and then discard it a page later making the same suggestions again because the answers didn't suit you.

That may be ok once, but you do it all the time and constant. It's like goes in one side and right through out on the other side.

Even that wouldn't be a problem, if you applied a bit common sense. But you don't. You get an idea and you stick with it. No matter how stupid it is and no matter how much nonsense technically it is.

/M

I cannot understand why you are so passionate that you consider I dont listen to other people if there is something I dont grasp and have to ask a few times over and over again until it sinks in and becomes clear - I bet you would be great working around someone with learning difficulties.

listen at the end of the day I will be an end user member of the public when I finally do get FTTH installed . i might just end up hoping when i log onto 802.11n or AC that I just get a nice fast internet experience on my laptop or phone whatever - do i have to really know the ins and outs or how gpon works -I have sketchy knowlege that its passive network and that gpon is shared whereas the more expensive fibre (cant remember what its called but its the more expensive way of delivering FTTP for businesses ) and if I want to go do more research I will . But (and i feel like I have repeated this over and over again) for people who are getting fed up with me asking the same questions over and over again, and are getting annoyed and think I am not taking it in or ignoring suggestions stop wasting your time and answering posts and let someone else fill me in who dont mind taking the time to repeat the answers or getting upset if i dont understand or think I am asking to be spoon fed. please - for christs sakes can you not keep constantly dictating to me what I should and not keep doing, trying to shut me up and telling me to go off and research .

I repair computers for a living over the years - i repeat over and over again on the phone and in person face to face where people dont understand about computers - I dunno maybe I have got more patience than you ,, but that would be like me saying "your not taking my advice" and that "you keep asking the same questions" and getting fed up with them or tell them that I am not going to spoon feed them and that to go off and do research themselves.

tuxy

Andy why is it that whenever you ask a questions and someone points you in the right direction to get an answer you come back and ask the same question, when this is pointed out you always say "opps I guess I forgot to look that up lol".
Not once have you come back and said hey I've looked that up and have some new questions on the parts I don't understand.
It's always the same questions followed by "oh that's networking I don't know about that" followed by "ah that's just jargon" followed by some more questions you keep asking over and over.

Johnboy1951

if there is something I dont grasp and have to ask a few times over and over again until it sinks in

I suggest that instead of repeating the question over and over, much to the annoyance of many, that you simply re-read the answers already given - as many times as you find it necessary - for it to sink in.

Andy From Sligo

tuxy wrote: »

Andy why is it that whenever you ask a questions and someone points you in the right direction to get an answer you come back and ask the same question, when this is pointed out you always say "opps I guess I forgot to look that up lol".
Not once have you come back and said hey I've looked that up and have some new questions on the parts I don't understand.
It's always the same questions followed by "oh that's networking I don't know about that" followed by "ah that's just jargon" followed by some more questions you keep asking over and over.

there is no hideden agenda - when i keep asking the same questions do you think it is because i still dont understand , havent grappled it or think I have missed something ... or do you think I am trolling or trying to wind people up on purpose? - please answer me that?

And of course i go off and search but a lot of it is so technical I cannot grasp it so I ask people on a boards group like this because a lot of the time I am hoping people can explain things better than serching on google and just coming across technical data that would just go over a load of people's heads or too in depth for what you need

fritzelly

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

(before I was told numerous times over and over again by boards members until my ears bled)

Think it was myself that said start a new thread about it.
And this thread has been a good read!

You seem to gloss over the answers to the questions, completely ignore the reasons surrounding the answers and then proceed to ask the question "but why" after being told the why.
Many here have given the exact reasons but you still continue to argue against them and these are people who are very much in the know.

OE provide a serviceable internet connection (ONT) to the house. Whatever happens after that is the consumer or ISP's problem
If they have to start servicing a single unit for every provider then ...well it's already been explained.

Andy From Sligo

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I suggest that instead of repeating the question over and over, much to the annoyance of many, that you simply re-read the answers already given - as many times as you find it necessary - for it to sink in.

like i havent done that already - it is working though because i know more than when I first started asking questions so something must be sinking in .

on the replacing the ONT ideally I would like someone to actually have a go at physically putting on something like the HG8245 in place of the supplied ONT and get back with details of what happened , did it work, did it connect or not connect etc, but thats not going to happen so theoretically because (as far as I know) no-one has physically tried it and have to go with that the ONT' serial numbers are all tied to the OLT and that only those ONT's and no other ONT will work (I have to bow to their expertise on the matter I suppose)

fritzelly

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

like i havent done that already - it is working though because i know more than when I first started asking questions so something must be sinking in .

on the replacing the ONT ideally I would like someone to actually have a go at physically putting on something like the HG8245 in place of the supplied ONT and get back with details of what happened , did it work, did it connect or not connect etc, but thats not going to happen so theoretically because (as far as I know) no-one has physically tried it and have to go with that the ONT' serial numbers are all tied to the OLT and that only those ONT's and no other ONT will work (I have to bow to their expertise on the matter I suppose)

How may times have you been told the ONT is serial registered for a connection
Anything else popped in there won't work
Geez

Every DP port is allocated to an address, the ONT is then registered to that DP - end of story, you cannot start using your own hardware to start communicating with OE's exchange servers.

In fact if you did then you would be interfering with their network and there are repurcussions for that.

Johnboy1951

(I have to bow to their expertise on the matter I suppose)

Yes you do ..... why else ask questions and not accept the answers from those who work in the industry?

uck51js9zml2yt

My ftth is down all evening.
The internet light isn't working on the f2000.

The WiFi light is flashing.
Has anyone any ideas?
I've checked all the connections but everything looks ok.

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

How may times have you been told the ONT is serial registered for a connection
Anything else popped in there won't work
Geez

Every DP port is allocated to an address, the ONT is then registered to that DP - end of story, you cannot start using your own hardware to start communicating with OE's exchange servers.

In fact if you did then you would be interfering with their network and there are repurcussions for that.

has anyone physically tried a different ONT ? - i have been told either on this thread or the other thread that it is probable that you would be kicked off and that there could be repurcussions

I know one day I am pretty sure i will read that someone has physically tried it and what happened in a vlow by blow account , whether it worked or not, at what point didnt it work and whether they just put the original ONT back and it carried on working or whether service was disconnected - and whether it affected others fibre connection and (if any) comeback/repurcussions from openeir

Not tried by me because I wouldnt know how to correct something if it went wrong, and I dont want to ruin other peoples connection, nor be kicked off fibre or face any legal suite from openeir .. but I bet someone brave enough one day will try it just to see what will happen , these generic ONT's are freely available to bu on the internet these days. - if someone does give it a go and post up their findings in the real world I will be all ears

tuxy

Kye Wet Stool wrote: »

My ftth is down all evening.
The internet light isn't working on the f2000.

The WiFi light is flashing.
Has anyone any ideas?
I've checked all the connections but everything looks ok.

Wrong thread but have you checked to see of it's another DNS issue with Eir?
Try opening a command prompt and ping 8.8.8.8

https://iihelp.iinet.net.au/How_to_run_a_ping_test

Let me know if you can ping that IP, I can help once you are getting a response.

Andy From Sligo

Kye Wet Stool wrote: »

My ftth is down all evening.
The internet light isn't working on the f2000.

The WiFi light is flashing.
Has anyone any ideas?
I've checked all the connections but everything looks ok.

have you rebooted / turned off the router , waited a few seconds and plugged the router back in?

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

has anyone physically tried a different ONT ? - i have been told either on this thread or the other thread that it is probable that you would be kicked off and that there could be repurcussions

Again !!

This has been answered. It's not possible. Even if the installer comes out, replaces the ONT and doesn't provision it right .. not even one of the certified ones will work until it's set up on the OLT .. which you don't have access to.

Why is it, that you're doing a complete reset on questions that have been answered clearly as the day. And ask them again a page later ?

And yes ... you qualify as troll or plain stupid at this point. You don't even apply common sense.

/M

The high horse brigade

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

has anyone physically tried a different ONT ?

Holy sh1t can a mod please lock the thread, we've had enough laps at this stage

Andy From Sligo

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yes you do ..... why else ask questions and not accept the answers from those who work in the industry?

dont worry - i go to the doctors sometimes (only when dragged) and ask questions and then use my discretion as to follow up on their recommendations and advice too

Andy From Sligo

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Holy sh1t can a mod please lock the thread, we've had enough laps at this stage

that would be OTT . I started my own thread . you are not forced to read it and answer it ... but you want it locked ... because you say so?

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

that would be OTT . I started my own thread . you are not forced to read it and answer it ... but you want it locked ... because you say so?

No ... I think actually you warrant a ban from boards by now.

Just to safeguard peoples sanity.

How much ignorance is possible ?

/M

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

Again !!

And yes ... you qualify as troll or plain stupid at this point. You don't even apply common sense.

/M

think what you like - why cant you get back to your rural FTTH thread if you dont like my thread I have started? - I feel you are trolling by keep telling me I have been answered, and feel like you want me to shut up and stop asking questions again and you keep saying that to me

oh and add calling me plain stupid on top ....

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

if you dont like my thread I have started?

There is the core issue. You aren't here to openly discuss and learn.

You are here for selfish reasons. Having your own thread is all that matters at this point. Trying to find ways to sabotage telecoms infrastructure to have it your own way .. disregardless of the cost to the operator.

Because you certainly ignore all the advice and technical information you've been given.

I think your best plan is to move to the UK and get a connection from BT. That should be a happy medium for everybody ... apart from the Brits.

/M

tuxy

UK's too close, I think we've established he'd be happier with China Telecom. He certainly loves their low speed outdated devices.

MBSnr

Just everyone stop replying to him...
Fixed.

uck51js9zml2yt

tuxy wrote: »

Wrong thread but have you checked to see of it's another DNS issue with Eir?
Try opening a command prompt and ping 8.8.8.8

https://iihelp.iinet.net.au/How_to_run_a_ping_test

Let me know if you can ping that IP, I can help once you are getting a response.

Can't ping as I've no laptop with me.

Tried rebooting but no joy.

I know it's the wrong thread but it's a diversion from Andy

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

To emphasise that he's only curious and asking questions.
He is the victim here,

Called it in the first few posts

Marlow

tuxy wrote: »

UK's too close, I think we've established he'd be happier with China Telecom. He certainly loves their low speed outdated devices.

That's a great plan. Meaning he'd be behind the great firewall of China. No access to any information outside of the chinese republic.

Thumbs up on that.

You should see what sort of knowlegde of network and vpn you need to get any information from the outside, when you're down there.

/M

Andy From Sligo

Kye Wet Stool wrote: »

I know it's the wrong thread but it's a diversion from Andy

ahem who started this thread ... - why wouldnt i putting a lot of input and writing a lot of posts into it?

tuxy

Marlow wrote: »

That's a great plan. Meaning he'd be behind the great firewall of China. No access to any information outside of the chinese republic.

Thumbs up on that.

You should see what sort of knowlegde of network and vpn you need to get any information from the outside, when you're down there.

/M

But is boards.ie blocked?

I'll post this just to be sure

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

That's a great plan. Meaning he'd be behind the great firewall of China. No access to any information outside of the chinese republic.

Thumbs up on that.

You should see what sort of knowlegde of network and vpn you need to get any information from the outside, when you're down there.

/M

scaremongering - I am sure these routers such as the generic HG8245 even though it has single band N wireless is not locked to chinese network

fritzelly

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

scaremongering - I am sure these routers such as the generic HG8245 even though it has single band N wireless is not locked to chinese network

Now just showing your lack of how wifi works (cross over from the other thread)

Andy From Sligo

banie01 wrote: »

Called it in the first few posts

yay! - you win!! ... you win ... Nothing!

Andy From Sligo

pathetic this is.

I have been on boards for years and have never heard of anyone being told what they can and cannot post in the own thread they started unless they are breaking any rules and I am not breaking any rules

People being abusive to another board member (me) and ganging up and ridiculing another member and going wildly off topic just to get reactions and get others to join in ... well I dunno whether thats allowed

I was told to start my own thread and thats what I have done people.

feel free to go somewhere else if you dont like it and stop answering me.

Andy From Sligo

fritzelly wrote: »

Now just showing your lack of how wifi works (cross over from the other thread)

what do you mean? - if a box being sold as generic I am purpoting its not locked to any china telecoms and does not have the china firewalls?

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

what do you mean? - if a box being sold as generic I am purpoting its not locked to any china telecoms and does not have the china firewalls?

Your worldly knowledge also is lacking.

All of China is behind a big firewall. Internet access to the outside of China is scensored and extremely limited.

That's the reason, why every single mountain Internet Cafe in Nepal has a satelite internet uplink. It's the only way they get uncensored news.

This is not at router level. This is at a country level.

/M

tuxy

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

what do you mean? - if a box being sold as generic I am purpoting its not locked to any china telecoms and does not have the china firewalls?

That's not what he said though, is this the actual issue? You can't comprehend the English language?

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

There is the core issue. You aren't here to openly discuss and learn.

You are here for selfish reasons. Having your own thread is all that matters at this point. ...
/M

are you trying to tell me now what I can and cannot post in my own thread I started now?

sure most of it is for my own gain because people were getting fed up with me posting on the FTTH rural thread .

But I am certainly not discounting anyone else who wants to join in on discussions about the ONT and Wireless routers for FTTH if they want to and if it is grown up sensible talk ~

Andy From Sligo

Marlow wrote: »

Your worldly knowledge also is lacking.

All of China is behind a big firewall. Internet access to the outside of China is scensored and extremely limited.

That's the reason, why every single mountain Internet Cafe in Nepal has a satelite internet uplink. It's the only way they get uncensored news.

This is not at router level. This is at a country level.

/M

dont live in China - not interested in China , no thanks before you ask I dont want to read up on China , or be spoon fed information on China and their firewalls -

fritzelly

Breaking news - you don't own a thread you started.

You are just looking for someone to agree with you and do what is not allowed, won't work and will end up screwing everyone else up
You are not allowed to interfere with OE's network - that means implanting your own ONT on to their network. End of story, stop recycling the same crap.

Andy From Sligo

tuxy wrote: »

That's not what he said though, is this the actual issue? You can't comprehend the English language?

I started up a thread to discuss about the ONT and wireless equipment used for FTTH in ireland ... how has it ended up as a discussion of this crap?

Marlow

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

are you trying to tell me now what I can and cannot post in my own thread I started now?

I suggest you start your own forum then. This forum is not owned by you

/M

tuxy

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I started up a thread to discuss about the ONT and wireless equipment used for FTTH in ireland ... how has it ended up as a discussion of this crap?

Because you reap what you sow.