Sisters wanting sites

sasta le

Lady Haywire wrote: »

They're not that desperate if they won't move to 'backwards' Ireland :rolleyes:

But will want a cut ?

Joe Daly

Lady Haywire wrote: »

They're not that desperate if they won't move to 'backwards' Ireland :rolleyes:

Define backwards Ireland.

Bo dearg

littelady wrote: »

My hubby is in the process of taking over the family farm. Now three of his sisters are looking for sites with intent to start building as soon as possible. My hubby is raging to the point he doesn't want to talk about it. How would you feel.

I feel after reading some of this discussion that sexed semen is the way for some of ye to go!@!

UsBus

The amount of times I've seen 'entitled' or expecting on this thread.........
What is wrong with people...?
I've no idea of the detail of my parents assets....and I don't want to know
They belong to them. I don't expect anything of them, I don't ask them for any support, if they decide to give me anything, that is their choice & I wouldn't influence or pressure them in any way..

Expecting or claiming a right to an asset is strange.........

Kevwoody

patsy_mccabe wrote:

I wonder how many of the new posters will be here again tomorrow, when real farming advice is needed.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I wasn't aware the Farming forum was an exclusive club.

Pete_Cavan

This thread has descended into an episode of Jeremy Kyle with all the emotive comments on family relationships and fairness.

You can see here why farming has no future. Too many people see a family farm as an opportunity to build a house (usually ridiculously big and incredibly ugly) and will use previous generations farming as a reason why they should get planning permission. They are looking to benefit from farming while having absolutely no interest in participating in it. All the talk of sites, these are fields, nothing more.

You can already see how the current generation of young people (under 30) who grew up in an isolated country house have no interest in subjecting their children to that. They want to live in urban areas where they have shops, cafés, etc. nearby and not having to get in the car every time they leave the house. In another generation, people will have no interest in living in these isolated houses (the idea of living in the countryside will no longer exist as all these houses turn the entire country into a giant suburb) but they will have already destroyed any productive farms

whelan2

Just wondering even if golden balls number 1 son had no intention of ever farming the farm would he still get it rather than give it to a woman?

fergus1001

whelan2 wrote: »

Just wondering even if golden balls number 1 son had no intention of ever farming the farm would he still get it rather than give it to a woman?

I know of one such case the girl worked on the farm all her life and the son has not one iota of an intention to farm but the parents are adamant that the son gets the farm

patsy_mccabe

Kevwoody wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I wasn't aware the Farming forum was an exclusive club.

Yes, we're all entitled to our opinions, but it's safe to say 90% of the contributors on this thread have never posted on the Farming forum before. Why? Because they know very little about farming.

People outside of farming have no idea how asset rich and income poor farms actually are. The person, be it son or daughter, have well earned the farm by the time they inherit it. They've probably worked hard, for little or no pay for long before they get their name on the deeds.

Stratvs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

People outside of farming have no idea how asset rich and income poor farms actually are. The person, be it son or daughter, have well werned the farm by the time they inherit it. They've probably worked hard, for little or no pay for long before they get their name on the deeds.

The same could be said of many family non-farming businesses, especially those serving small towns. They may have a large property worth millions ( on paper anyway) but where the hours are long and earnings are not large. However having experienced this personally there doesn't seem to be the same sense of entitlement on the childrens' parts or the expectation by the parent that only a certain child gets the business.

Lady Haywire

Joe Daly wrote: »

Define backwards Ireland.

It wasn't me that brought it up first, I was only referring to what someone else termed it.

qwerty ui op

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Yes, we're all entitled to our opinions, but it's safe to say 90% of the contributors on this thread have never posted on the Farming forum before. Why? Because they know very little about farming.

People outside of farming have no idea how asset rich and income poor farms actually are. The person, be it son or daughter, have well werned the farm by the time they inherit it. They've probably worked hard, for little or no pay for long before they get their name on the deeds.

Maybe i'm the odd one but just because you don't post here regularly doesn't mean your not farming.

For me it's farming and g.a.a, morning, noon and night and I'm fine with that, but the odd time I go on boards I've no interest in talking about either.

pleas advice

Pete_Cavan wrote:

(the idea of living in the countryside will no longer exist as all these houses turn the entire country into a giant suburb) but they will have already destroyed any productive farms

A few half acre sites from a couple hundred acres destroying productivity?

crossman47

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

This thread reminds me of family farming in general. Usually for the day to day work, the hard labour, the tough decision making there's one family member that does it all. But by God, when there's easy money to be dished out, people crawl out of the woodwork. Animated opinions on this and that.

I wonder how many of the new posters will be here again tomorrow, when real farming advice is needed.

I'm one of the posters you refer to. I joined in just to point out all the problems caused for the rest of us by this supposed right to build one off houses in the countryside. But of course most farmers don't give a damn about this. Its a real I'm all right, Jack situation.

Alrigghtythen

pleas advice wrote: »

A few half acre sites from a couple hundred acres destroying productivity?

pleas advice wrote: »

A few half acre sites from a couple hundred acres destroying productivity?

Ruining the industry it is! Below cost selling and securing workers has nothing got to do with it. It's those pesky siblings wanting to live near their parents in the area they grew up in. Damm them and their half an acre. What good is 197 acres to the land barron if they had to conceded 1.5 acres to siblings and don't get to dictate who lives in the area?

TrixIrl

Well I hope OP has no aversion to providing intimate personal care to her in laws when the time comes.

With an attitude like this you can be assured they wont be going down the Fair Deal route and will be too stingy to pay for a private NH.

All those sisters will come in handy when your mother in law is doubly incontinent and has dementia. But if you've driven them away over this???

I grew up next door to a farm which went to the son- his sister worked as hard as he did on the farm as a kid/teenager until she went to college. But shes the one minding the mother now 24/7 while he continues to work on the farm - she might not have "earned" her site milking cows but she's earned it all the same.

joe35

Tell the parents to sell 100 acres(1million euro). Buy 3 houses with the money. In a village away from the farm but close enough to it. Rent theese out for another income to suplement the farming(prob more income too). After a couple of years make a will. The 3 sisters can get a house each. Your husband then gets 100 acre farm left to him and the home house. He is still getting alot more than his siblings and would be getting 'all' of the farm. He could even have first refusal on buying the half from his parents.

Pete_Cavan

pleas advice wrote: »

A few half acre sites from a couple hundred acres destroying productivity?

Again, these are not sites, they are a portion of a field. The majority of farmers have less than 100 acres, never mind a couple of hundred, so losing a few of acres while getting nothing in return will affect productivity. Particularly as the chosen location for any houses will tend to be on the better land (flat, dry, accessible, etc.). Every bit lost is another nail in the farming coffin.

facehugger99

UsBus wrote: »

The amount of times I've seen 'entitled' or expecting on this thread.........
What is wrong with people...?
I've no idea of the detail of my parents assets....and I don't want to know
They belong to them. I don't expect anything of them, I don't ask them for any support, if they decide to give me anything, that is their choice & I wouldn't influence or pressure them in any way..

Expecting or claiming a right to an asset is strange.........

I fully agree. My parents provided me with the education and upbringing to make my own way in the world. The amount of people who think, as fully grown adults, they are 'entitled' to sites from their parents is beyond bizarre.

What assets ones' parents have and what they decide to do with them is entirely a matter for them.

Buford T. Justice XIX

pleas advice wrote: »

A few half acre sites from a couple hundred acres destroying productivity?

It does effect the value of the land and the use it can be put to.



I know I would avoid renting land with a house sitting on it. You have to constant risk of lawn cuttings being thrown over the wall and being left to cattle and sheep with the risk of neospora and listeriosis from the cuttings. Then you have the risk of dogs not being secured and chasing cattle and sheep with the losses and stresses to both farmer and animal and the risks of animals breaking out onto a road with the danger to traffic of collision. And that's only the dangers while family members are living there, it gets much worse with strangers there.


Then you are restricted from spreading slurry or dung in the field from a nuisance perspective, even though that land may be the area most in need of those fertilisers. No keeping bulls in the fields either in case a child goes in after a football one day. Then you have complaints from cutting silage or harvesting cereals when those days might be the only days where this is possible.


And they're only the few I've had experience from in the last few years, plenty more can give many, many more of their experiences of similar.

Gravelly

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It does effect the value of the land and the use it can be put to.



I know I would avoid renting land with a house sitting on it. You have to constant risk of lawn cuttings being thrown over the wall and being left to cattle and sheep with the risk of neospora and listeriosis from the cuttings. Then you have the risk of dogs not being secured and chasing cattle and sheep with the losses and stresses to both farmer and animal and the risks of animals breaking out onto a road with the danger to traffic of collision. And that's only the dangers while family members are living there, it gets much worse with strangers there.


Then you are restricted from spreading slurry or dung in the field from a nuisance perspective, even though that land may be the area most in need of those fertilisers. No keeping bulls in the fields either in case a child goes in after a football one day. Then you have complaints from cutting silage or harvesting cereals when those days might be the only days where this is possible.


And they're only the few I've had experience from in the last few years, plenty more can give many, many more of their experiences of similar.

Can't be many farms in Ireland now that don't border onto a house surely? Thinking of my own area, I can't think of any farm without a house bordering it somewhere (not counting the farmers own house obviously). Unless it's a townie that buys the house, you are unlikely to have any of the problems above (other than the bull, and if you think like that, you couldn't keep a bull at all, as anyone could wander into any field anytime, regardless of whether there's a house beside it or not).

Ginger83

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It does effect the value of the land and the use it can be put to.



I know I would avoid renting land with a house sitting on it. You have to constant risk of lawn cuttings being thrown over the wall and being left to cattle and sheep with the risk of neospora and listeriosis from the cuttings. Then you have the risk of dogs not being secured and chasing cattle and sheep with the losses and stresses to both farmer and animal and the risks of animals breaking out onto a road with the danger to traffic of collision. And that's only the dangers while family members are living there, it gets much worse with strangers there.


Then you are restricted from spreading slurry or dung in the field from a nuisance perspective, even though that land may be the area most in need of those fertilisers. No keeping bulls in the fields either in case a child goes in after a football one day. Then you have complaints from cutting silage or harvesting cereals when those days might be the only days where this is possible.


And they're only the few I've had experience from in the last few years, plenty more can give many, many more of their experiences of similar.

We have many farms around us and never complain about noise, smells, machines working late into the night.

Not to mention numerous cattle / horses breaking in destroying our lawns, crow bangers, machines leaving roads in bits and covered in muck / ****.

Works both ways, manys a farmer was only too happy to sell sites during the boom for a quick buck.

qwerty ui op

UsBus wrote: »

The amount of times I've seen 'entitled' or expecting on this thread.........
What is wrong with people...?
I've no idea of the detail of my parents assets....and I don't want to know
They belong to them. I don't expect anything of them, I don't ask them for any support, if they decide to give me anything, that is their choice & I wouldn't influence or pressure them in any way..

Expecting or claiming a right to an asset is strange.........

facehugger99 wrote: »

I fully agree. My parents provided me with the education and upbringing to make my own way in the world. The amount of people who think, as fully grown adults, they are 'entitled' to sites from their parents is beyond bizarre.

What assets ones' parents have and what they decide to do with them is entirely a matter for them.

utter trash!!

It's terrible that some people cant approach a topic without instantaneously trying to create a narrative which makes them and theirs so much better than everyone else.

How about you deal with the reality of the situation from the perspective of the son/daughter or parent.


This goes for any business or asset, you can't take it with you, so you have to deal with it.
As a parent what would you do?

A/ give it all to church or some spiritual group
B/ charity, some group claiming to help the poor
C/ first goldigger that bats her eyelids at you

or

You could do what 99.99% of people in this situation do and try help out your children who you love dearly.

So to your point!! from the p.o.v of the son/daughter can you give a realistic approach they should have when it comes to this situation , knowing that x y z are going to happen- should they ignore it and bury their head in the sand?

Supposing a guy has successfully trained as a plumber and his father has a plumping business.... do you think it's wrong of him to expect a job from the oldman?

Cattlepen

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

To reduce one off housing, Farmers should be made to live in the current farmhouse.

That’s right........ and euthanase their parents. They have outlived their usefulness!!
Cop on. You can’t be “making” people do things for your agenda

Alrigghtythen

Cattlepen wrote: »

That’s right........ and euthanase their parents. They have outlived their usefulness!!
Cop on. You can’t be “making” people do things for your agenda

Who am I making do what?

flatty

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Kevwoody wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I wasn't aware the Farming forum was an exclusive club.

Yes, we're all entitled to our opinions, but it's safe to say 90% of the contributors on this thread have never posted on the Farming forum before. Why? Because they know very little about farming.

People outside of farming have no idea how asset rich and income poor farms actually are. The person, be it son or daughter, have well earned the farm by the time they inherit it. They've probably worked hard, for little or no pay for long before they get their name on the deeds.

I rarely post, but read a lot. So what?

Cattlepen

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Who am I making do what?

You said farmers should be “made” live in the current farmhouse

Ginger83

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Again, these are not sites, they are a portion of a field. The majority of farmers have less than 100 acres, never mind a couple of hundred, so losing a few of acres while getting nothing in return will affect productivity. Particularly as the chosen location for any houses will tend to be on the better land (flat, dry, accessible, etc.). Every bit lost is another nail in the farming coffin.

The same miserable attitude of every farmer i've ever known.

"Tadhg, without the land we're nothing boy"

Lady Haywire

Ginger83 wrote: »

We have many farms around us and never complain about noise, smells, machines working late into the night.

Not to mention numerous cattle / horses breaking in destroying our lawns, crow bangers, machines leaving roads in bits and covered in muck / ****.

Works both ways, manys a farmer was only too happy to sell sites during the boom for a quick buck.

Oh how nice of you. i don't complain about this, this, this or this. But I could! You do realise that living in the country isn't like the quiet carriage of a train.
These things went on before you arrived & will go on after you go.

Ginger83 wrote: »

The same miserable attitude of every farmer i've ever known.

"Tadhg, without the land we're nothing boy"

I'm beginning to think it mightn't have been their daughter that your in-laws had a problem with.

Ginger83

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Oh how nice of you. i don't complain about this, this, this or this. But I could! You do realise that living in the country isn't like the quiet carriage of a train.
These things went on before you arrived & will go on after you go.



I'm beginning to think it mightn't have been their daughter that your in-laws had a problem with.

You could be right, farmers dont like sons/daughters marrying non farmers.

I was born and reared in the country my dear.

Check out the poll results.

Many could complain but you have to get on with your neighbours too, like putting a cow on the road back into a field.