Madeleine McCann

cgcsb

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buttercups88 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5549945/maddie-mccann-suspect-mobile-home-kids-clothes/amp/

"Christian B used a derelict crate factory at Neuwegers­leben as a weekend pad where he kept the RV. The items were found there in 2016 along with USB sticks containing images of child sex abuse.

Other images on the sticks included some of Christian B partially naked or wearing stockings performing a solo sex act, as well as others too graphic to describe here.

The six data sticks and two memory cards were found buried under the body of his dog at the factory, wrapped in a carrier bag."


This was when they were digging for remains of Inga the little German girl

Doesn't make any sense. What happened between 2016 and 2020?

If he did indeed possess images of maddie, these would be priceless on the darkweb, he would surely sell them for some serious bitcoinage and they would be common on the dark web. Cyber crime units would come across them surely.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

There's no evidence to support the abduction scenario either, but they haven't dismissed that line of inquiry, indeed they seem to have followed that presumption to the ends of the earth.

I mean, that’s just not true at all. No evidence? Not one bit? Come on. You aren’t being honest here.

Who owned the unidentifiable contaminated finger prints in the apartment? Or the hair samples?
The apartment had access to a main road and the door was unlocked.
It was common knowledge among the hotel staff that there was a party of Brits leaving their children unattended while going out for tapas and wine every night.

The area was crawling with pedophiles, sex attackers, rapists and burglars. Watching the McCann routine for one night would quickly indicate how often they were checking the kids, leaving ample opportunity to take one of the children on any of the subsequent nights of the holiday.

A local convicted pedophile & violent rapist has been found with evidence that Madeleine is dead and told his mate he knows what happened her to boot.

And you think there is no merit or nothing suspicious in any of that?

cgcsb

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SusieBlue wrote: »

I mean, that’s just not true at all. No evidence? Not one bit? Come on. You aren’t being honest here.

Who owned the unidentifiable contaminated finger prints in the apartment? Or the hair samples?
The apartment had access to a main road and the door was unlocked.
It was common knowledge among the hotel staff that there was a party of Brits leaving their children unattended while going out for tapas and wine every night.

The area was crawling with pedophiles, sex attackers, rapists and burglars. Watching the McCann routine for one night would quickly indicate how often they were checking the kids, leaving ample opportunity to take one of the children on any of the subsequent nights of the holiday.

The above is not evidence. It's suspicious circumstances. Suspicious circumstances also surround Kate and Gerry. Out of curiosity does the hair and print match Christian B? because that would be real evidence. It's a holiday apt, the print and hair could belong to a cleaning person, a previous guest, just about anyone really.

SusieBlue wrote: »

A local convicted pedophile & violent rapist has been found with evidence that Madeleine is dead and told his mate he knows what happened her to boot.

And you think there is no merit or nothing suspicious in any of that?

This is a very recent development. For the past decade there's been no evidence of an abduction yet abduction has been the sole focus of the investigation. Also we've currently no idea what the german police have, if anything. Just tabloid speculation.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

The above is not evidence. It's suspicious circumstances. Suspicious circumstances also surround Kate and Gerry. Out of curiosity does the hair and print match Christian B? because that would be real evidence. It's a holiday apt, the print and hair could belong to a cleaning person, a previous guest, just about anyone really.



This is a very recent development. For the past decade there's been no evidence of an abduction yet abduction has been the sole focus of the investigation. Also we've currently no idea what the german police have, if anything. Just tabloid speculation.

The timeline of events makes it impossible that the parents did it though. Unless they had it planned. As in they had planned to murder their child and had the body disposal all worked out.

If it was an accident and they panicked and covered it up there’s just no way they had the time or means to dispose of the body. This is probably why the authorities think it was an abduction.

However while the investigation is being carried out if they find solid evidence that it wasn’t an abduction then it will no longer be treated that way.

That’s the way I see it anyway

cgcsb

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Rock77 wrote: »

The timeline of events makes it impossible that the parents did it though. Unless they had it planned. As in they had planned to murder their child and had the body disposal all worked out.

If it was an accident and they panicked and covered it up there’s just no way they had the time or means to dispose of the body. This is probably why the authorities think it was an abduction.

probably but who knows.

Rock77 wrote: »

However while the investigation is being carried out if they find solid evidence that it wasn’t an abduction then it will no longer be treated that way.

That’s the way I see it anyway

The third scenario, Maddie leaves the apartment under her own steam, was also not investigated.

Versions of the abduction scenario that involve adults who knew Maddie were also not followed with any rigor as far as I know. Freud for example.

Mantis Toboggan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Any update from that German suspect?

Was it legit?

Mantis Toboggan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Any update from that German suspect?

Was it legit?

limnam

It's really weird he predicted this a year ago.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445467/Maddie-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-scapegoat-says-Portuguese-detective.html

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

It's really weird he predicted this a year ago.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445467/Maddie-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-scapegoat-says-Portuguese-detective.html

What am I missing about this being weird?

They knew about this guy for a while and apparently they have new evidence that implicates him or that he knows something.

He says CB is almost the perfect suspect.... because he is.. they can’t just decide it’s him, they will have to have some evidence.

This guy is investigating a missing child case, gets sacked for being incompetent and a few years later says ‘ah they’ll probably blame this known paedophile who was in the area at the time’

it’s almost like he suspected him himself but couldn’t find evidence.

He obviously suspected the McCanns but the lack of evidence didn’t stop him!

Queasy Tadpole

Accident happened, parents hid body

This story has gone absolutely insane since they named this guy.

MonkieSocks

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

Weeks after Germans identified a suspect, there is no further clarity but much slander and speculation.

Out of the blue, more than 13 years after Madeleine McCann disappeared, it seemed as if a resolution to the case might be in sight when German police this month identified a new prime suspect and launched an international appeal for information.

Circumstantial evidence placed Christian Brückner, a convicted paedophile currently in prison, in the town of Praia de Luz on the day of the disappearance, 3 May 2007. “It was a real bombshell in Germany,” said Roman Lehberger, a journalist at the news magazine Der Spiegel. “It was clear to all of us immediately that this was a huge breakthrough.”

A fortnight later, the clarity that the McCann family have sought so desperately is yet to be found. Even as the German prosecutor referred to “concrete evidence” that Madeleine was dead, a saga seen by some as one of the most unedifying in the history of the British media has reverted to type. There are sharp disagreements between police forces, anonymised and libellous warfare on social media, dubious claims reported as fact, exhaustion in Praia de Luz – and, at the centre of it all, a family whose only defence against the world is silence.

“This is the first time in many years that it seems like a real suspect has been brought forward. There are real facts,” said Robbyn Swan, a co-author with Anthony Summers of the 2014 book Looking for Madeleine. “But we are seeing, sadly, a repeat of the behaviour that we saw years ago.”


With hundreds of leads flooding in to police, the fact that the case has not yet been solved should not be viewed as reason to think it never will be. “It’s really early, and they’re keeping their cards very close to their chests,” Lehberger said. “My sense is that there has not yet been a major breakthrough – they would have announced it by now if there was solid evidence. But they need time to get a clear picture.”

But he added: “He [Brückner] has months to serve still, but his release is on the horizon. They’re getting a little bit nervous and they need to pin this on him now. This is their last resort.”

Observers of the circus that has long followed the McCann story say that in the vacuum created by the wait since that appeal for a clear outcome, the narrative has reverted to type.
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Dr John Synnott, a senior lecturer in investigative and forensic psychology at the University of Huddersfield, published a study in 2017 of the behaviour of online trolls who maintain that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible for their daughter’s disappearance, against all evidence to the contrary. Three years later, he says the behaviour of his subjects remains the same.

One thread on a popular messageboard, whose members accuse the McCanns, has drawn almost 1,000 posts in the past fortnight, while the #mccann hashtag on Twitter has become a torrent of speculation and abuse.

The trolls jump on any new information and find their own angle. “It is hugely important to a lot of people’s identities,” Synnott said. “They see new information, but they find something in there that aligns with their existing critique, and they regurgitate it.”



If the trolls have reverted to type, so too have parts of the media, publishing anonymous second-hand source accounts of Brückner’s confession, suggestions that he “turned his friend into a paedophile”, and speculation on his mental state from an expert who “once examined Adolf and Eva Hitler’s skulls”. One story focused on pictures of an apartment Brückner once lived in featuring a child’s cuddly horse – only to note in the caption that the pictures had been taken after he moved out and the flat was redecorated.

Meanwhile, the police forces of the three countries involved are said to have been in dispute, with questions in Germany over whether British investigators acted on leads relating to Brückner shared by their German counterparts between 2013 and 2017, and accounts emerging from Portugal of anger at an “arrogant” German request to retest a saliva sample.

In Portugal, where the case has gripped public attention over the years just as it has in the UK, updates have led broadcast news bulletins and front pages. Rui Gustavo, a journalist for the Expresso newspaper, said police disagreements were overplayed, and readers were following the case as closely as ever. “People are reacting with surprise because everyone thought the case was dead,” he said. “It’s an incredible phenomenon.”

In Germany it is suspected either that the proof of Madeleine’s death may not be admissible in court because of how it was obtained, or that police are deliberately holding back information that could only be known to the perpetrator in order not to jeopardise the investigation.

Until the police have followed up every tip, the picture will remain as opaque and as open to speculation as it has always been. “They needed that response from the public,” said Anthony Summers. “A lot of it will be useless, but investigations really are resolved this way: the idea that there’s someone, somewhere, who knows the little bit that we need to slot the thing together.”

Like Synnott, Summers fears that for some it will never be enough. “There is a hardcore cadre who will never believe any resolution,” he said. “They will take this to the ‘we never landed on the moon’ level.”

Swan, the author, said such accounts should not overwhelm the smaller and more significant story at the centre of the maelstrom. “If we’re talking about a suspect convicted of child sexual assault and abuse and that is the kind of person who is ultimately found to be guilty – those are the people who do it again if they aren’t stopped,” she said.

“And we try to remind ourselves every time we talk about it that there is this family at the heart of it, to speak with some care and some empathy for what they must go through every time her name is mentioned. The world talks about it as a case; for them it is their lives.”

limnam

Rock77 wrote: »

What am I missing about this being weird?

They knew about this guy for a while and apparently they have new evidence that implicates him or that he knows something.

He says CB is almost the perfect suspect.... because he is.. they can’t just decide it’s him, they will have to have some evidence.

This guy is investigating a missing child case, gets sacked for being incompetent and a few years later says ‘ah they’ll probably blame this known paedophile who was in the area at the time’

it’s almost like he suspected him himself but couldn’t find evidence.

He obviously suspected the McCanns but the lack of evidence didn’t stop him!

He predicted 12 months ago


specifically saying he'd be a fall guy


If he said after the recent shenanigans it wouldn't be weird


The fact _he_ said it 12 months ago. Now we have the current circus

There was so many pedophiles in the area

if he had said. A prandom pedophile, not weird

To specifically point out _this_ one.

That's weird.

Flippyfloppy

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

He predicted 12 months ago


specifically saying he'd be a fall guy


If he said after the recent shenanigans it wouldn't be weird


The fact _he_ said it 12 months ago. Now we have the current circus

There was so many pedophiles in the area

if he had said. A prandom pedophile, not weird

To specifically point out _this_ one.

That's weird.

It's fairly obvious to a lot of adults that he probably heard about the investigation into CB from his contacts in the police force.

As you are aware this information has come to the knowledge of the public only recently, yet the police have known about him for years,since 2013 at the latest.

Flippyfloppy

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

He predicted 12 months ago


specifically saying he'd be a fall guy


If he said after the recent shenanigans it wouldn't be weird


The fact _he_ said it 12 months ago. Now we have the current circus

There was so many pedophiles in the area

if he had said. A prandom pedophile, not weird

To specifically point out _this_ one.

That's weird.

It's fairly obvious to a lot of adults that he probably heard about the investigation into CB from his contacts in the police force.

As you are aware this information has come to the knowledge of the public only recently, yet the police have known about him for years,since 2013 at the latest.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

He predicted 12 months ago


specifically saying he'd be a fall guy


If he said after the recent shenanigans it wouldn't be weird


The fact _he_ said it 12 months ago. Now we have the current circus

There was so many pedophiles in the area

if he had said. A prandom pedophile, not weird

To specifically point out _this_ one.

That's weird.

I still don’t think it’s weird...

When a child goes missing like this there’s a fair chance one of the local paedophiles was involved.

Maybe he heard about him as mentioned in the post above..

Maybe years ago there was some suspicion about CB but this guy just had the blinkers on that it was the parents, so years later he says ‘I’ll bet they blame this guy’

Maybe it is slightly weird but I don’t see it really..

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

He didn’t “predict” a thing. CB’s name has been circulating for a while, Amaral acknowledges this himself. He likely got wind that the net was closing in and decided to cover his own ass because he spewed a load of bollox in his book. It really is that simple.
The truth of the lie indeed.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

I've asked before but can anyone tell me what evidence have they got on the peado compared with the McCanns or any other suspect(s)?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

I've asked before but can anyone tell me what evidence have they got on the peado compared with the McCanns or any other suspect(s)?

So far just a confused mess.

She's dead. She may not be dead. Sent a letter. Didn't send a letter

None of it matters. It's not the McCanns so that's enough

limnam

retro:electro wrote: »

He didn’t “predict” a thing. CB’s name has been circulating for a while, Amaral acknowledges this himself. He likely got wind that the net was closing in and decided to cover his own ass because he spewed a load of bollox in his book. It really is that simple.
The truth of the lie indeed.

So the portguese police clear him.
UK police have no interest
Van passes forencsics.
Never ending list of other pedo's in the area.

But 12 months ago he said _this_ guy was going to be strung up.

A lot of the evidence been spoke about looks to have been picked up in 2016.

Still nothing.

But 12 months ago he comes out with and then here we're

An absolute circus from the Germans.

Just another very weird turn events in this very weird case.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

I've asked before but can anyone tell me what evidence have they got on the peado compared with the McCanns or any other suspect(s)?

Well anything more than nothing is an improvement.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

So far just a confused mess.

She's dead. She may not be dead. Sent a letter. Didn't send a letter

None of it matters. It's not the McCanns so that's enough

It does seem like high incompetence levels. They haven't charged the peado so obviously they don't have that much. All we have is these rumours and mysterious letters.

It's about the same level as other suspects who've passed through down the years. The cadaver dogs are still the highest level of evidence that we have and that points towards it being the McCanns!

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

It does seem like high incompetence levels. They haven't charged the peado so obviously they don't have that much. All we have is these rumours and mysterious letters.

It's about the same level as other suspects who've passed through down the years. The cadaver dogs are still the highest level of evidence that we have and that points towards it being the McCanns!

Yep, but if you mention it.

Yada yada coconuts.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Lads yis are gas.. there is no evidence that the parents did it! Absolutely none. Zip... nothing.

There may or may not be evidence on this German guy that they haven’t made public, but even if there is no evidence on him that doesn’t magic up evidence on the parents.

Spanish Eyes

Rock77 wrote: »

Lads yis are gas.. there is no evidence that the parents did it! Absolutely none. Zip... nothing.

There may or may not be evidence on this German guy that they haven’t made public, but even if there is no evidence on him that doesn’t magic up evidence on the parents.

I don't think anyone thought the parents killed the girl, but their neglect actually helped anyone who did.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

Rock77 wrote: »

Lads yis are gas.. there is no evidence that the parents did it! Absolutely none. Zip... nothing.

There may or may not be evidence on this German guy that they haven’t made public, but even if there is no evidence on him that doesn’t magic up evidence on the parents.

There's not much evidence on anybody but the cadaver dogs place the McCanns above everyone else! They picked up the scent in the apartment and car. Then when you add in the lies and dodgy behaviour.

Again, no hard evidence but there's more on the McCanns than anyone else.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think anyone thought the parents killed the girl, but their neglect actually helped anyone who did.

It certainly did. Unfortunately there is no denying that.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

There's not much evidence on anybody but the cadaver dogs place the McCanns above everyone else! They picked up the scent in the apartment and car. Then when you add in the lies and dodgy behaviour.

Again, no hard evidence but there's more on the McCanns than anyone else.

I would have to disagree. The dogs can only be used as a guide and need to be backed up by physical evidence of which there is none.

There was a known paedophile in the area who spoke about knowing what happened, there were many unidentifiable fingerprints found in the apt, the police have said they have evidence the child is dead and this guy is the main suspect.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

Rock77 wrote: »

I would have to disagree. The dogs can only be used as a guide and need to be backed up by physical evidence of which there is none.

There was a known paedophile in the area who spoke about knowing what happened, there were many unidentifiable fingerprints found in the apt, the police have said they have evidence the child is dead and this guy is the main suspect.

Yes but the dogs are more than what they have on anyone else!

Let's see what comes out of the latest with this peado. That he hasn't been charged and the whole mess over the letter sent doesn't lead to much confidence.

MonkieSocks

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

From Martin Grime 13-04-2018

Human Remains Detection Dogs (HRDD): Sometimes referred to as a Victim Recovery Dog (VRD), or Cadaver Dog, will specifically discriminate, and detect, human deceased victims, inclusive of dismembered parts, in all environments / contexts, on the surface, sub-surface, on land, and in water.

The dogs should be trained to generalise the spectrum of decomposition process to allow for the investigation of recent death to cold case historical remains.

This type of detection dog may detect human blood as a sub-set of human decomposition.

Canines trained with the inclusion of animal remains (pig, pork) cannot be referred to as HRDD

http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/F...ndation%20.pdf

In the UK it is against the law to train dogs with human Cadavers.

Eddie was trained on pig meat so was not a Cadaver Dog according to Mr Grime

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Yes but the dogs are more than what they have on anyone else!

Let's see what comes out of the latest with this peado. That he hasn't been charged and the whole mess over the letter sent doesn't lead to much confidence.

Except the dogs have been proven to have been wrong in the past, they aren’t infallible. That’s extremely relevant, along with the fact that there’s no physical evidence to back up their ‘findings’.