Should Dublin ban Burqas and Hijabs?

Skinhead Kane

Greetings guys and girls,

I have been thinking about this topic for quite some time now and have yet to make a real judgement on what truly would be a correct answer. If were to go to a country populated by the Muslim community we would be asked to cover up and follow their religious procedure.

Therefore in Britain and Ireland I believe we are within our rights to ban something that isolates woman and was made by men to oppress them. If I were to show my hair/head in their countries, I would be seen as obscene.

Recently came back from a trip and had some female friends been told by locals to cover their arms and legs as well as hair before entering out of the city centre areas. It was a very aggressive approach to and almost demanded 'or we leave the country' type of attitude. Now not using this as a reason or motive to make this topic, but it has however got me thinking.

If I could vote on it, I would ban burqas and possibly hijab.


What's your take on this guys?

Regards,

Sk

KaneToad

What Dublin authority would ban them? The GAA county board??

biko

Is there a reason only Dublin should do this?

steve-collins

100% im surprised no one has tried to rob a bank with one yet.

You cant walk around with a bally on so why a face cover is allowed is beyond me.

Skinhead Kane

biko wrote: »

Is there a reason only Dublin should do this?

Its the best county in Ireland

biko

OP location: Cork
Thinks Dublin is best


My mind officially blown

Day Lewin

People wearing things to cover parts of themselves is clearly a rotten idea. Get your pants off right now.

Skinhead Kane

Day Lewin wrote: »

People wearing things to cover parts of themselves is clearly a rotten idea. Get your pants off right now.

Me wearing a t shirt of trousers is different to me having a cloak around me like I'm auditioning for a black Casper the ghost

riffmongous

KaneToad wrote: »

What Dublin authority would ban them? The GAA county board??

The GAA has been very silent on this issue

jaxxx

Worldwide. Way past time we grew a pair and refused to accept archaic customs into our countries. Religious garment or not, as far as I'm concerned it has always been and always will be a sign of oppression against women. Keep it out of the Western world where women aren't treated as objects.

One eyed Jack

Skinhead Kane wrote: »

Greetings guys and girls,

I have been thinking about this topic for quite some time now and have yet to make a real judgement on what truly would be a correct answer. If were to go to a country populated by the Muslim community we would be asked to cover up and follow their religious procedure.

Therefore in Britain and Ireland I believe we are within our rights to ban something that isolates woman and was made by men to oppress them. If I were to show my hair/head in their countries, I would be seen as obscene.

Recently came back from a trip and had some female friends been told by locals to cover their arms and legs as well as hair before entering out of the city centre areas. It was a very aggressive approach to and almost demanded 'or we leave the country' type of attitude. Now not using this as a reason or motive to make this topic, but it has however got me thinking.

If I could vote on it, I would ban burqas and possibly hijab.


What's your take on this guys?

Regards,

Sk

I’ve never seen any reason to ban them, and using your reasoning that because there are oppressive laws in other countries we should institute oppressive laws here as some kind of retaliation, is probably the worst reason of all to demonstrate that not only are we just as oppressive as they are, we’re spiteful about it too!

Signore Fancy Pants

Phew!

I thought you wanted Dublin to ban Burgers and Kebabs! I thought I was going to have to move.

Carry on.

Hermy

Instead of banning things they should educate children (and adults) properly as to the nature of religion.

Rjd2

People should be allowed to wear what they want no matter what there religion is.

One eyed Jack

jaxxx wrote: »

Worldwide. Way past time we grew a pair and refused to accept archaic customs into our countries. Religious garment or not, as far as I'm concerned it has always been and always will be a sign of oppression against women. Keep it out of the Western world where women aren't treated as objects.

That genuinely made me laugh

Yer Da sells Avon

No, there's something very fascistic about banning an item of clothing.

JohnMc1

Hermy wrote: »

Instead of banning things they should educate children (and adults) properly as to the nature of religion.

If the rest of us have to show our faces in banks, getting IDs ,etc then they should too. Or they can sod off to their Countries if they don't like it.

jaxxx

Hermy wrote: »

Instead of banning things they should educate children (and adults) properly as to the nature of religion.

You mean how it's a big load of nonsense and fairytales, created solely as a means of causing fear to control the masses with tales of living forever past death, yada, yada, yada, all the while continuously expanding the pockets of said fear mongers ?

Pretzill

Yes they should be banned Europe wide imo - it's oppressive, archaic and the reason they are worn as some pseudo protection of a women's modesty is ridiculous in the 21st century western world - when did we start going backwards?

Lone Stone

full face veils no i remember after i had been held up in a armed robbery and having ptsd going to the welfare as i couldn't go back to work with my nerves at the time and there was this Arab guy and his wife in full black and face veil and my god my nerves were jumping just, not that they would now. No problems with anyone and their religion but it's just unsettling. The other head scarf who care's doesnt bother anyone.

verycool

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

No, there's something very fascistic about banning an item of clothing.

Conversely there's something quite archaic making people wear one.


Just playing Devil's Advocate. :pac:

um7y1h83ge06nx

If you remove the religious significance wearing a burka seems very ignorant towards your fellow people. Very hard to engage someone in meaningful conversation when you cannot see their facial expressions, a huge amount gets lost in an interaction.

Also again if you take religion out of it a burka does seem to be a security risk - an ideal disguise for criminals doing a robbery.

biko

Rjd2 wrote: »

People should be allowed to wear what they want no matter what there religion is.

*their*

And tbh, it's rarely voluntary to wear these yokes.
Just one case: Canadian man beat daughter for not wearing hijab
https://www.rt.com/news/408129-father-beaten-daughter-hijab/


And before some enabler say it is voluntary - ask one of your many Muslim female friends that wears one, to take it off for an afternoon outdoors.

One eyed Jack

biko wrote: »

*their*

And tbh, it's rarely voluntary to wear these yokes.
Just one case: Canadian man beat daughter for not wearing hijab
https://www.rt.com/news/408129-father-beaten-daughter-hijab/


And before some enabler say it is voluntary - ask one of your many Muslim female friends that wears one, to take it off for an afternoon outdoors.

I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word ‘voluntary’ when someone says they wear something voluntarily, and you’re asking them to take it off :pac:

One eyed Jack

Elsa Late Babe wrote: »

If you remove the religious significance wearing a burka seems very ignorant towards your fellow people. Very hard to engage someone in meaningful conversation when you cannot see their facial expressions, a huge amount gets lost in an interaction.

It’s really not that difficult if you’ve ever actually tried.

Also again if you take religion out of it a burka does seem to be a security risk - an ideal disguise for criminals doing a robbery.

Worst disguise ever, particularly in Western countries as you’re scrutinised twice as hard as someone not wearing something that covers their face.

theballz

Non-Muslim countries give every freedom to Muslims, but Muslims never give any freedom to their minorities.

Denmark have done it, we should too.

DesperateDan

Has anyone, ever, committed a murder / multiple murders in the western world wearing one of these?

FTA69

biko wrote: »

*their*

And tbh, it's rarely voluntary to wear these yokes.
Just one case: Canadian man beat daughter for not wearing hijab
https://www.rt.com/news/408129-father-beaten-daughter-hijab/


And before some enabler say it is voluntary - ask one of your many Muslim female friends that wears one, to take it off for an afternoon outdoors.

It is voluntary unfortunately. The vast majority of women in the western world who wear the niqab choose to wear it. Women can be just as fundamental and obsessive about religion as men. For many women in Britain, it's used as a sign of identity, a symbol of pride and it's connected to a wider hardening of Islamic observance worldwide fuelled by Saudi money and influence.

It's a negative thing definitely, but the idea of cowed women yearning to discard it just isn't the case in Europe I'm afraid.

Richard Hillman

DesperateDan wrote: »

Has anyone, ever, committed a murder / multiple murders in the western world wearing one of these?

One of the London 7/7 bombers escaped wearing one of them.

The Black Widows of the Moscow Theatre Siege wore them

Your Face

DesperateDan wrote: »

Has anyone, ever, committed a murder / multiple murders in the western world wearing one of these?

It would difficult to ascertain if the self-detonating bomb would have blown it off or not.

FTA69

I think the niqab is a crock of sh*t, and it's not actually representative of Islam as a whole. It's a Saudi garment that is indicative of fundamentalist Salafist Islam, something which is actually deeply hostile to ancient Muslim traditions across the world. Look at traditional clothing in places from India to Kurdistan, the idea of a woman swarthed head to toe is nowhere to be seen. And while most women choose to wear it, it's still a garment designed to limit women. Many women in Ireland chose to obey their husbands and believe their only job was to pump out good Catholic children - it doesn't mean that was progressive for women's place in society as a whole.

That having been said, banning it isn't going to achieve anything. In France they banned an Islamic swimsuit and we're treated to the farcical scene of cops arresting grannies for *not* baring flesh at the beach. Proscribing a woman's clothes and banning her from wearing stuff isn't going to stop the spread of radical Islam and nor is it going to liberate anyone. It's just going to foster a "them and us" mentality and push people further into the radical camp.

At the end of the day, as negative as it is, a woman walking down the road in a veil isn't going to do you any harm.

wakka12

Big whoop over nothing
its like transgender toilets non issue
I have very rarely seen burkas or hijabs in dublin and when I do see them I don't give a fcuk

RustyNut

theballz wrote: »

Non-Muslim countries give every freedom to Muslims, but Muslims never give any freedom to their minorities.

Denmark have done it, we should too.

So you think the Muslim way is right? People should only be able to dress the way the government say? I'd prefer to let people choose to wear whatever they want.

If we are going to ban certain people wearing certain items of clothing then I propose that we ban obviously non sporting people from wearing track suits.

timthumbni

I would ban them from public buildings and shops etc. Just like I would ban anyone wearing ski masks/balaclavas from these places. It makes sense.

Cleopatra_

I'm not overly delighted when I see a woman wearing a Niqab, and I see it a lot more here in the UK. It is a sign of oppression to me, even if many of the women who wear it are choosing to do so. However, I'm not really that comfortable with a government banning an item of clothing either, that seems very restrictive too, especially because it most likely alienates these women further.

timthumbni

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

I'm not overly delighted when I see a woman wearing a Niqab, and I see it a lot more here in the UK. It is a sign of oppression to me, even if many of the women who wear it are choosing to do so. However, I'm not really that comfortable with a government banning an item of clothing either, that seems very restrictive too, especially because it most likely alienates these women further.

Women in Muslim society are very much second class citizens within their own type. That’s not even a debate. It’s Amazing how many excuses people make.

Atlantic Dawn

It should be on a sign at ports and airports, anyone not liking it should fook the right off.

Atlantic Dawn

wakka12 wrote: »

Big whoop over nothing
its like transgender toilets non issue
I have very rarely seen burkas or hijabs in dublin and when I do see them I don't give a fcuk

I'd go to war over trans specified toilets. If a tool can't go to one toilet or the other he/she/it should stay ta fook at home.

Mr. teddywinkles

Rjd2 wrote: »

People should be allowed to wear what they want no matter what there religion is.

Grease n oil it is so. And before ya ask what religion. It's a cult I'm setting up. Name not decided yet.neeed suggestions.

super_furry

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One of the London 7/7 bombers escaped wearing one of them.

The Black Widows of the Moscow Theatre Siege wore them

Every lad in the ‘Ra wore white y-fronts. A few lads from the INLA wore boxer-briefs.

Hitman3000

Cover yourself from the neck down no problem. However your face should be visible. We convey alot by facial expression it is important for interaction.

deco nate

If a person cannot wear a motorbike helmet in a place for security reasons.
Then no one else should be allowed to float that law either.
Plain and simple.

timthumbni

super_furry wrote: »

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One of the London 7/7 bombers escaped wearing one of them.

The Black Widows of the Moscow Theatre Siege wore them

Every lad in the ‘Ra wore white y-fronts. A few lads from the INLA wore boxer-briefs.

Jimmy sands wore brown pants apparently......

Mr. teddywinkles

timthumbni wrote: »

Women in Muslim society are very much second class citizens within their own type. That’s not even a debate. It’s Amazing how many excuses people make.

It so fascinating that people that ****e on about let people wear what they want because you know I'm a progressive person. Gob****es. It's an item representing repression. Knobs.

One eyed Jack

timthumbni wrote: »

Women in Muslim society are very much second class citizens within their own type. That’s not even a debate. It’s Amazing how many excuses people make.

Of course it’s debatable as you’re using Western standards to comment on standards in Muslim societies. You’re basically comparing apples and oranges. If you’re going to attempt to make that comparison then by the same standards, women in Western society are also just as much ‘second class citizens within their own type’.

RustyNut

deco nate wrote: »

If a person cannot wear a motorbike helmet in a place for security reasons.
Then no one else should be allowed to float that law either.
Plain and simple.

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

deco nate

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

Be a dick all you want. Never said illegal.
Petrol stations, banks,
And most reception areas will have notes in the windows saying such.

Your sad post is bull****. Try harder next time.

Gob****e post

K.Flyer

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

All public buildings and banks etc will have a sign telling motorcyclists to remove their helmet before entering the building.
Its for security reasons.
Why should anyone else be allowed cover their face beyond recognition entering the same buildings?

Atlantic Dawn

RustyNut wrote: »

What law would that be?
Where is illegal to wear a helmet?

Most fuel stations have it as a condition of sale, if someone arrives clad in the same gear where facial ID is impossible they should also be refused sale on security grounds. Personally I would not conduct business with any company allowing unknown identifiables to conduct sales.

RustyNut

But not illegal, no law?

Mr. teddywinkles

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course it’s debatable as you’re using Western standards to comment on standards in Muslim societies. You’re basically comparing apples and oranges. If you’re going to attempt to make that comparison then by the same standards, women in Western society are also just as much ‘second class citizens within their own type’.

How so