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Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

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    #1772
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Sara HS doing a very good impression of a chocolate blancmange while trying to squirm away from the question "Did the President lie to the American people [about the stormy affair/payments]"

    Such body language.


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    #1773
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,376 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Reports that Cohen has now been subpoenaed to answer questions regarding the Trump Foundation.

    Mueller now attacking Trump from another direction. Cohen would have been involved in a lot of different aspects of Trump's interests, and Mueller wouldn't have subpoenaed him to answer questions unless he pretty much knows what the result will be.


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    #1774
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,540 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Trump now using tge line that it was his own money used to pay the women and as such no rules were broken.

    Of course to accept that you 1st need to forget that he initially denied knowing anything about the affairs, then denied knowing about about the payments, then knowing about the payments but thinking they were foe something else.


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    #1775
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,799 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Sharon Ní Bheoláin just after having a literal orgasm on air announcing the news that Michael Cohen implicated Trump in a crime.


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    #1776
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,680 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Sharon Ní Bheoláin just after having a literal orgasm on air announcing the news that Michael Cohen implicated Trump in a crime.

    It's a bit premature isn't it ?


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    #1777
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,680 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Trump now using tge line that it was his own money used to pay the women and as such no rules were broken.

    Of course to accept that you 1st need to forget that he initially denied knowing anything about the affairs, then denied knowing about about the payments, then knowing about the payments but thinking they were foe something else.

    So the question should be why is he now admitting to paying the two women involved ? Does the man not see how he is contradicting... Never mind actually. So now he needs to explain to his wife why he paid those women money if he claims they were lying ? Over to you Mrs First lady.


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    #1778
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,680 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Also, from reading up on the issue of whether a sitting USA president can be indicted the answer seems to be maybe but as the supreme has never ruled in it(it may have to now) then the only things helping people forming their opinions seem to be two documents prepared by the nixon and Clinton DOJs about the issue.


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    #1779
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,540 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Because at this stage he is betting that a) his base don't care (they don't once its one of theirs) and b) either does Melania. I'm pretty sure that whatever 'care' she has is soothed by the money and prestige.

    Far better to run the risk of a few cold shoulders from the missus then poss8ble criminal charges or impeachment.


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    #1780
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,570 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Penn wrote: »
    Reports that Cohen has now been subpoenaed to answer questions regarding the Trump Foundation.

    Mueller now attacking Trump from another direction. Cohen would have been involved in a lot of different aspects of Trump's interests, and Mueller wouldn't have subpoenaed him to answer questions unless he pretty much knows what the result will be.

    Thinking back to the raids on Cohen's office and home by the FBI under court warrant, and the trawl through what was seized under court supervision to ensure the FBI and prosecution only retained relevant material to their case and handed back all the other stuff to Cohen's lawyers,

    I'm wondering if, while the trawl was being done, they came across anything belonging to Cohen's other client, Sean Hannity and whether Sean Hannity was upset with that thought, given his friendship and chats with Don. It'd be embarrassing if he said anything/told locker-room tales to his lawyer thinking he was safe under privilege but was being secretly recorded. Just a thought on how Sean is using Fox and treating Don as against the lawyer.


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    #1781
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Because at this stage he is betting that a) his base don't care (they don't once its one of theirs) and b) either does Melania. I'm pretty sure that whatever 'care' she has is soothed by the money and prestige.

    None of this is new to Melania I bet; there must be more he paid off before too. Probably one of the reasons she was so upset by his win in the elections; dirty laundry airing risk. It's one thing to be in a discreet transactional marriage and another for the entire world to know.


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    #1782
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The VP, Spiro Agnew was indicted in 1973. That's why Gerard Ford was never elected, yet became POTUS.
    Trump may escape this as Mueller doesn't believe in indicting a sitting President.


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    #1783
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,680 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Water John wrote: »
    The VP, Spiro Agnew was indicted in 1973. That's why Gerard Ford was never elected, yet became POTUS.
    Trump may escape this as Mueller doesn't believe in indicting a sitting President.

    Well the VP differs in responsiblities and doesn't have the legal power the president. My understanding is the VP main dutie was to originally be the president of the senate(hence why they break ties on votes). So yes Spiro Agnew was indicted but i don't know if that rises to the same level as the president.


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    #1784
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There is no law or precedent that differentiates in how the VP and POTUS would be treated in this matter.

    Seems from Lanny Davis on BBC that Cohen and Mueller may have spoken already. Trump knowing of the Trump Tower meeting and knowing of the hacking prior to and while it was happening are the two key issues.


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    #1785
    2 Scoops
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    Where's the Russian collusion?


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    #1786
    Corkblowin
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Where's the Russian collusion?

    One crime at a time......


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    #1787
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Where's the Russian collusion?
    That part where Cohen's lawyer says he knows additional info in relation to whether Trump had foreknowledge of the hacking by Russia? If he had foreknowledge about that and the meeting, there's your collusion.


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    #1788
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is there GOP colllusion (in an execrable presidency) ?


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    #1789
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    batgoat wrote: »
    That part where Cohen's lawyer says he knows additional info in relation to whether Trump had foreknowledge of the hacking by Russia? If he had foreknowledge about that and the meeting, there's your collusion.

    If you're talking about his lawyer's interview on CNN he said it's possible, and didn't allude to more. If there was a knowing conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian officials and it's proven, like I said many times I'll hold my hands and be satisfied.


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    #1790
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    batgoat wrote: »
    That part where Cohen's lawyer says he knows additional info in relation to whether Trump had foreknowledge of the hacking by Russia? If he had foreknowledge about that and the meeting, there's your collusion.

    Or the collusion with Don Jr and Cushner, agreeing to meet with the Russian lawyer to get dirt on HRC... remember the reply "I love it"???


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    #1791
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Or the collusion with Don Jr and Cushner, agreeing to meet with the Russian lawyer to get dirt on HRC... remember the reply "I love it"???

    Don Jr looks like he could face jail time regardless at current rate. It's going so dramatically close to president alongside additional federal crimes. I'm genuinely thinking Trump could be through as I'd say Cohen knows a lot of very bad stuff about Trump.


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    #1792
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,090 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Where's the Russian collusion?

    Cmon man, you're not even trying these days.

    It's also laughable people lower themselves to this.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #1793
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Or the collusion with Don Jr and Cushner, agreeing to meet with the Russian lawyer to get dirt on HRC... remember the reply "I love it"???

    The Clinton campaign and surrogates did the same thing with Ukrainian officials digging up dirt on Manafort and others.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    The only thing I care about is whether or not there was some sort of agreement in place between Russian officials and the Trump campaign whereas they agreed to hack and subsequently release emails in exchange for favors if he made office, or if it's true Putin has some kind of dirt on Trump and is blackmailing him. Those would both amount to conspiracies or treason and I'd be absolutely fine as would imo every Republican senator in condemning Trump and anyone who was associated with it.


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    #1794
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,090 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I stand corrected, you do get bites every time. Carry on.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #1795
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    some sort of agreement in place between Russian officials and the Trump campaign whereas they agreed to hack and subsequently release emails in exchange for favors if he made office

    I don't believe the last part is required


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    #1796
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    StringerBell wrote: »
    I stand corrected, you do get bites every time. Carry on.

    I don't care about tax fraud 20 years ago or FEC violations if that's what you're getting at. The special councils main aim was to investigate whether or not Trump's campaign "colluded" with Russian officials, I want to see it proven or discounted, that's it.


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    #1797
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I don't believe the last part is required

    I agree, that's entirely fair.


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    #1798
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    I don't care about tax fraud 20 years ago or FEC violations if that's what you're getting at. The special councils main aim was to investigate whether or not Trump's campaign "colluded" with Russian officials, I want to see it proven or discounted, that's it.

    His campaign manager still has another trial up, he's been convicted on 8 counts. Some of these are associated with the Yanukovych regime in Ukraine, Yanukovych fled to Putin and is in his pocket. Not suspect at all though.... 2 scoops, you want everything to come out immediately. When this investigation started, it was all a smear and now people are getting pretty hefty sentences.... So this seems more like smoke leading to the fire at this point.


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    #1799
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,814 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    The special councils main aim was to investigate whether or not Trump's campaign "colluded" with Russian officials, I want to see it proven or discounted, that's it.

    This implies you have no interest in any other crimes being committed


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    #1800
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    The Clinton campaign.....


    To have your former campaign manager convicted, your lawyer sing like a canary, get caught out lying about payments to porn actresses and nude models and have at least 3 other close associates listed as convicted felons....

    But... her emails, right?


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    #1801
    2 Scoops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    This implies you have no interest in any other crimes being committed

    I do but not when equal justice isn't applied to both sides.


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