Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

Itssoeasy

prawnsambo wrote: »

Imran Khan hit him for six there. Trump's on a sticky wicket.

Pissing Pakistan off is a really bad idea.

Oh I see what's you did there.

RobertKK

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

He is indeed in a mood.
Taking on Pakistan in a Twitter war and cutting off aid.
Pakistani president not mincing his words either.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/trump-pakistan-twitter-osama-bin-laden-1005556

Someone must have forgotten to tell Trump that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are two peas in the one pod.

prawnsambo

RobertKK wrote: »

Someone must have forgotten to tell Trump that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are two peas in the one pod.

Someone needs to tell Imran Khan that he needs to buy a penthouse in Trump Tower. That should probably do it. He can also promise to buy billions in arms. It won't matter if he doesn't because y'know Trump doesn't do follow ups. He can ask Kim Jong Un if he's unsure.

Pero_Bueno

Disgusted the way he is sticking with Saudi Arabia, I shouldn't be surprised but the hypocrisy is sickening

Tell me how

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

Disgusted the way he is sticking with Saudi Arabia, I shouldn't be surprised but the hypocrisy is sickening

His fans are only going to see/hear this quote from his statement on Saudi Arabia.

As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!

Thargor

Go ahead and kill any journalist you feel like:

www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-when-asked-why-he-sided-with-saudi-arabia-over-cia-because-its-america-first/

Anyone left defending him in this thread is actually sick in the head.

Tell me how

Thargor wrote: »

Go ahead and kill any journalist you feel like:

www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-when-asked-why-he-sided-with-saudi-arabia-over-cia-because-its-america-first/

Anyone left defending him in this thread is actually sick in the head.

Forget about those on this thread. Think about the 40% in the US who support him.

It beggars belief to those who think he's a buffoon, but this was clear before the election and still here we are...

pixelburp

Thing is, as contemptuous as Trumps attitude is, it's also a brazen public declaration of the open secret of US policy dating back decades; it'd scarcely be the first time the state rowed with a totalitarian or authoritarian regime for the sake of America's own interests.

There are a dozen separate reasons to castigate Trump and his behaviour in general, but for once he's simply aligning with a resting foreign policy. Ask any country in Latin or South America after all...

RobertKK

Tell me how wrote: »

Forget about those on this thread. Think about the 40% in the US who support him.

It beggars belief to those who think he's a buffoon, but this was clear before the election and still here we are...

This is what one gets when the two real candidates left for the presidency were the worst candidates available.

rossie1977

RobertKK wrote: »

This is what one gets when the two real candidates left for the presidency were the worst candidates available.

One was a terrible candidate, the other was highly qualified who had been demonized by the Republican party and right wing media as the closest thing to Satan for over a decade.

40% of the US electorate will vote for whatever candidate the Republicans put up. This was shown when 60 million voted for an ailing McCain and Sarah Palin despite a Republican administration overseeing one of the worst economic downfalls in history and the US losing 800,000 jobs a month.

BabyCheeses

RobertKK wrote: »

This is what one gets when the two real candidates left for the presidency were the worst candidates available.

Bringing world peace isn't terrible. Shame that never worked out eh?

Water John

All the gains in the US Stock Market for 2018 have been wiped out. Looks like it will be negative for the year.

aloyisious

CNN has the NYT as running a story that Don wanted to order the DOJ to prosecute Comey and Clinton [presume its Hillary] and that he was advised against it by Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn. that he would face impeachment if he did so.

I'm assuming that this was since he put Whitaker in as acting AG seeing as how Don says he didn't meet or know about Whitaker til before that temporary appointment. If however the NYT story has the advice of Rosenstein and Whitaker predating the appointment, then Don has been lying again. Given the mention of the White House counsel, McGahn, it seems the advice was given some time ago as he's been gone for some time now, predating the arrival of Whitaker.

I cannot guarantee the link below will work as I don't subscribe to the NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/president-trump-justice-department.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

everlast75

This is an excellent source of info on cases involved in or touching on the Russia probe....


https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1065032396205113344?s=19

everlast75

Trump says in 2016 to Clinton on stage - when I'm president, I'm gonna throw you in jail

General Public- wow, what an authoritarian thing to say

Trump apologists - he didn't mean it. He's just being bombastic

After Trump gets into power, he asks for the prosecution of Clinton amongst others

Don McGhan - em.. that's an impeachable offence

Trump apologists - at least he's following through on a campaign promise!!!!

duploelabs

Water John wrote: »

All the gains in the US Stock Market for 2018 have been wiped out. Looks like it will be negative for the year.

They're never true gains though, the index prices were inflated due to stock buy backs which were accelerated by the tax reform bill that the Republicans passed. Short term it looks good, long term it's a total clusterf*ck and the perfect primer for another crash

Penn

Penn wrote: »

So far this week, we've had Trump denigrating the guy responsible for helping take down Bin Laden, Trump claiming that past governments should have listened to his pre-9/11 warnings about Bin Laden (basically implying 9/11 may not have happened if the US Government had read his book), Ivanka caught using personal email account for federal business, and Trump now pulling the troops he sent to the border to stop the 'caravan of immigrants' back at a cost of approx. $200m even though the troops wouldn't have been able to interact with the migrants but simply help support the actual border patrol agents and it was obviously just an election stunt, again, at a cost of $200m.

But at least he's giving middle America what they want!

Man, I thought it was already a strong start to the week from Trump even before he basically said he doesn't give a f*ck that the Saudi Prince sanctioned the killing of a US Resident journalist inside an embassy because they buy weapons from the US and keep oil prices low.

Wanderer78

duploelabs wrote:

They're never true gains though, the index prices were inflated due to stock buy backs which were accelerated by the tax reform bill that the Republicans passed. Short term it looks good, long term it's a total clusterf*ck and the perfect primer for another crash

But but but what about trickle down!

Professor Moriarty

aloyisious wrote: »

CNN has the NYT as running a story that Don wanted to order the DOJ to prosecute Comey and Clinton [presume its Hillary] and that he was advised against it by Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn. that he would face impeachment if he did so.

I'm assuming that this was since he put Whitaker in as acting AG seeing as how Don says he didn't meet or know about Whitaker til before that temporary appointment. If however the NYT story has the advice of Rosenstein and Whitaker predating the appointment, then Don has been lying again. Given the mention of the White House counsel, McGahn, it seems the advice was given some time ago as he's been gone for some time now, predating the arrival of Whitaker.

I cannot guarantee the link below will work as I don't subscribe to the NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/president-trump-justice-department.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I assume that everything The Donald says is a lie. It's much easier that way and when he actually does tell the truth then it's a pleasant surprise.

jooksavage

everlast75 wrote: »

This is an excellent source of info on cases involved in or touching on the Russia probe....


https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1065032396205113344?s=19

I listen to the Lawfare podcast a lot. Lot of folks have it in for Wittes because of his friendship with Comey and initial endorsement of Bret Kavanaugh. I have to say, I find him even-handed to a fault in most areas. Hearing a down-to-his-bones establishment guy like him and his adult (i.e. not rabidly partisan) guests have mature conversations about Trump really gives you an idea of how alarmingly off-the-rails things have gotten.

dr.fuzzenstein

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump says in 2016 to Clinton on stage - when I'm president, I'm gonna throw you in jail

General Public- wow, what an authoritarian thing to say

Trump apologists - he didn't mean it. He's just being bombastic

After Trump gets into power, he asks for the prosecution of Clinton amongst others

Don McGhan - em.. that's an impeachable offence

Trump apologists - at least he's following through on a campaign promise!!!!

There are very few Trump apologists. Most of his supporters display more of a "Trump! FCUK Yeah!" attitude. Like the Q Anon woman who just "happened" to be an expert on forest fires (forest ranger with 20 years experience), who vehemently defended his remarks about raking leaves. She also alluded to "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" (but it softens them, something those fcuktards always conveniently never seem to have heard of and anyways, they are metallurgists with 20 years experience)
She then miraculously transformed into an expert on national security for the next debate (couldn't tell me more, classified), where she could definitely confirm that there were credible threats on Trump's life, hence he didn't make an appearance in Paris.
She then vehemently defended his non appearance in another discussion, citing bad weather as the reason his helicopter couldn't take off and there was no route or plan for him to drive. Naturally she was an expert with 20....(need I even say it)
There were also references along the lines of "isn't it funny how people associated with the Clintons always end up dead"
She then refered to Jeffrey Epstein and that Bill Clinton was associated with him.
A certain Donald Trump was also associated with that person, yet another fact that their brain seems to reject for some strange reason.
I wish I could live in a pick'n'choose reality like that, life would be so much simpler.

Anyway, the bit in bold, his fans didn't really make apologies for that statement, they conducted a massive online circle jerk of hate and villification against Hillary Clinton. My Facebook feed was swamped with evil Hillary and lock her up memes.
No one in their right mind could possibly suggest that there wasn't a massive, targeted and coordinatet online trolling attack against her.
And it wasn't just random nutters and mental patients either, whoever was behind this ran a massive, concerted and global attack.
I have found that, in general, over the last few years there has been a massive increase in online extrem right wing views and hatred against anything leftie or socialist. Maybe I need to post this in the conspiracy forum, but to me that isn't something that happened at random and organically.

Stallingrad

Dictators everywhere are smiling today. Want to butcher your opposition? No problem, just buy some US armaments first. Obama was criticized for his 'Red line' in Syria. T has just declared there are no lines anymore.

The slide, ever downward, continues.

alchemist33

Tell me how wrote: »

His fans are only going to see/hear this quote from his statement on Saudi Arabia.

Imagine his future rallies ending with the crowd repetitively chanting "America first! America first!" It's not that much of a stretch to see them all dressed in identical dark coloured uniforms. It's like a flashback chapter in a dystopian novel.

Penn

alchemist33 wrote: »

Imagine his future rallies ending with the crowd repetitively chanting "America first! America first!" It's not that much of a stretch to see them all dressed in identical dark coloured uniforms. It's like a flashback chapter in a dystopian novel.

Everyone knows Trump fans can't handle chants of more than three syllables. "Lock her up", "Build the wall", "Drain the swamp".

Coming up with chants that mean nothing, make empty promises but will be parroted by dumbasses when faced with any kind of fact or logic is a lot harder than it looks. That's why Trump is President and you're not.

everlast75

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

There are very few Trump apologists. Most of his supporters display more of a "Trump! FCUK Yeah!" attitude....

Sorry - when I said apologists (no pun intended), I was more along the lines of his surrogates.

For example, those that currently say we don't need a Bill protecting Mueller because he won't fire him. Those that warp reality and carry out mental gymnastics in order to defend such an imbecilic, immoral degenerate

Eric Cartman

rossie1977 wrote: »

One was a terrible candidate, the other was highly qualified who had been demonized by the Republican party and right wing media as the closest thing to Satan for over a decade.

40% of the US electorate will vote for whatever candidate the Republicans put up. This was shown when 60 million voted for an ailing McCain and Sarah Palin despite a Republican administration overseeing one of the worst economic downfalls in history and the US losing 800,000 jobs a month.

Yeah I suppose they weren't onboard with trump at the start :pac::pac:

But Genuinely, Hillary Clinton was the worse candidate, is still the worst choice for the democrats and will lose again if somehow they are dumb enough to allow her forward for 2020. The woman is a prime example of where allowing companies to buy your opinions get you, In the age of video and the internet every opinion she held had a flip-flop response from decades earlier up to months previous. Her handling of her husbands scandals was nothing short of disgraceful by modern standards and her policies are based more in the interests of those in bank of America than the people of America.

Almost anyone else might have beaten trump, maybe, but not her, not the democrats donkey pretending to be a unicorn.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Hillary Clinton was the worse candidate, is still the worst choice for the democrats and will lose again if somehow they are dumb enough to allow her forward for 2020.

She got 3m more votes than trump, even with Comey's interference, Russia's interference, gerry-mandering etc.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the woman is a prime example of where allowing companies to buy your opinions get you, In the age of video and the internet every opinion she held had a flip-flop response from decades earlier up to months previous. Her handling of her husbands scandals was nothing short of disgraceful by modern standards and her policies are based more in the interests of those in bank of America than the people of America .

Criticism from a Trump supporter on..

Companies buying her interests?
Flip flop responses?
Bill Clinton's scandals?
Self interests?

My irony-meter just exploded!!!!!

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

She got 3m more votes than trump, even with Comey's interference, Russia's interference, gerry-mandering etc.



Criticism from a Trump supporter on..

Companies buying her interests?
Flip flop responses?
Bill Clinton's scandals?
Self interests?

My irony-meter just exploded!!!!!

Donald trump is every stereotype the left have of a republican , so running as a republican makes sense. Hillary Clinton is every stereotype of a republican the left has but trys to pretend shes not by throwing in some mad leftist policies to cover it up. She was always the worst option and hopefully somebody sits her down and tells her its not happening for her.

Professor Moriarty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Donald trump is every stereotype the left have of a republican , so running as a republican makes sense. Hillary Clinton is every stereotype of a republican the left has but trys to pretend shes not by throwing in some mad leftist policies to cover it up. She was always the worst option and hopefully somebody sits her down and tells her its not happening for her.

What's a left?

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Donald trump is every stereotype the left have of a republican , so running as a republican makes sense. Hillary Clinton is every stereotype of a republican the left has but trys to pretend shes not by throwing in some mad leftist policies to cover it up. She was always the worst option and hopefully somebody sits her down and tells her its not happening for her.

I happen to agree she should not run again, for different reasons, but still think she was robbed.

That being said, have you any reaction to Trump's authoritarian behaviour?

Do you agree he behaves like one? If not, why not?

If you do believe he behaves like one, do you have a problem with that?

Just curious.