Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

Igotadose

David Stockman trashes Trump, and dissects Fox's pathetic 'finance guy' Charles Payne. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-business-charles-payne-goes-off-after-reagan-budget-director-calls-trump-a-madman/

Quote: “We’ve got a perfect storm of a madman in the White House, who’s pursuing trade wars, border wars, a fiscal policy that is totally out to lunch, and attacking the fed,” Stockman said.

Payne interjected: “It’s kind of harsh to call President Trump a madman.”

“Oh absolutely he is,” Stockman said.

26000 Elephants

Igotadose wrote: »

Payne interjected: “It’s kind of harsh to call President Trump a madman.”

If your ardent supporters apologists think that calling you a madman is only "kinda" harsh, I think you have lost their respect!

MarinersBlues

26000 Elephants wrote: »

If your ardent supporters apologists think that calling you a madman is only "kinda" harsh, I think you have lost their respect!

"It's the economy stupid!"

Once they start getting hit on their portfolios you will see the "morals" and "values" disappear.

Due to the two party system voters can only really pick one of the divisive issues and make that their priority, for most that's a selfish financial one.

If this slide continues plenty will jump ship.

Thank god we have two more years for his nonsense policies to unravel, so he can undeniably be blamed, before someone else has to carry the can.

pixelburp

Trumps thanksgiving meetings were ... weird. Like, rambling grandpa weird. He's spending it in Mar-A-Lago of course, calling troops (rather than visiting), as well as visiting nearby Coast Guards. There was nothing revelatory in terms of politics or position but as always, it's hard to read the man's utterances and be somehow convinced of a 'stable genius' being the head of government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/happy-thanksgiving-to-all-rhetorical-bedlam-erupts-as-president-trump-speaks-to-the-world-from-mar-a-lago/2018/11/22/349c4a3e-ee7d-11e8-96d4-0d23f2aaad09_story.html

Asked what he was most thankful for on this Thanksgiving Day — a question that for commanders in chief usually prompts praise of service members in harm’s way — Trump delivered a singularly Trumpian answer.

“I made a tremendous difference in our country,” he said, citing himself.

He complained at length that a new Navy ship was using electromagnetic catapults to propel planes off ships. He said steam was better and was incredulous the military would consider otherwise. “Would you go with steam or would you go with electromagnetic? Because steam is very reliable, and the electromagnetic, unfortunately, you have to be Albert Einstein to really work it properly,” he asked.

“You have to be Albert Einstein to run the nuclear power plants that we have here, as well. But we’re doing that very well. I would go, sir, with electromagnetic,” the officer responded.

I said before that Trump often presents as a cliché of an old-school Tycoon from the roaring '20s, and if he thinks steam is the way to go, I'm more convinced than ever. Steam and coal! The path to the future.

By 11:15 a.m., he had arrived at a nearby Coast Guard station, where he greeted troops and posed for pictures for 14 minutes in a sweltering kitchen, in front of a tray of submarine sandwiches the troops would soon eat for lunch. He served no turkey but told Coast Guard officials there that he would give them $100 if they could break par at his golf course.

dr.fuzzenstein

That steam comment from Trump, I am just lost for words. How can a man as stupid and ignorant as that even put on his shoes unaided, nevermind run a global superpower?
I know I keep ranting on about it, but to me it's like Groundhog Day where I wake up every day in a lunatic asylum as the only sane person.

pixelburp

The thing about Trump, is that when you think about it, we all know that type of person; maybe we've shared an office with them, or is a relative - or indeed posts on Boards or calls Joe Duffy. It's that unasked expert who (often loudly) insists on imparting what you sense they believe are pearls of incontrovertible wisdom on any and all subjects - regardless how lunatic the idea is, or how far from their own wheelhouse the subject matter might be. Or indeed if they're contradicted by someone who would know better.

Most of us tend to defer to experts, or keep our council knowing that we know nothing of - say - launching systems on aircraft carriers. Others however will pronounce immediate expertise & the better idea regardless of credentials - which in this era of anti-intellectualism is an attractive proposition. Trump waffling on over steam catapults, easy-to-win trade wars, raking forests or building giant walls is harmless enough on the face of it, the obvious caveat being that he's in a position to enact these brainfarts (and requiring Gary Cohn to sneak into the Oval Office and remove documents from Trumps desk)

duploelabs

pixelburp wrote: »

The thing about Trump, is that when you think about it, we all know that type of person; maybe we've shared an office with them, or is a relative - or indeed posts on Boards or calls Joe Duffy. It's that unasked expert who (often loudly) insists on imparting what you sense they believe are pearls of incontrovertible wisdom on any and all subjects - regardless how lunatic the idea is, or how far from their own wheelhouse the subject matter might be. Or indeed if they're contradicted by someone who would know better.

Most of us tend to defer to experts, or keep our council knowing that we know nothing of - say - launching systems on aircraft carriers. Others however will pronounce immediate expertise & the better idea regardless of credentials - which in this era of anti-intellectualism is an attractive proposition. Trump waffling on over steam catapults, easy-to-win trade wars, raking forests or building giant walls is harmless enough on the face of it, the obvious caveat being that he's in a position to enact these brainfarts (and requiring Gary Cohn to sneak into the Oval Office and remove documents from Trumps desk)

I think it's more the baseless assertions on complex systems he makes that grates me more.

"i've heard..."

"people have said..."


etc etc

I await an explanation of what Trump actually meant and how he hit on a very important point that wasn't previously considered.

looksee

Meant about what, and which point?

everlast75

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1066714105288028162?s=19


A supreme example of the need to keep your mouth shut when you're in enough trouble..

Eric Cartman

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That steam comment from Trump, I am just lost for words. How can a man as stupid and ignorant as that even put on his shoes unaided, nevermind run a global superpower?
I know I keep ranting on about it, but to me it's like Groundhog Day where I wake up every day in a lunatic asylum as the only sane person.

"President Trump's criticism echoes that of a highly critical 2018 report from the Pentagon, that emphasized that reliability of EMALS leaves much to be desired, and that the average time between critical failures is nine times higher than the Navys threshold requirements"

There are a lot of reports that suggest steam catapults are much more reliable than electromagnetic ones , the fact he'd even ask that question and have looked into it is odd, normally you wouldn't expect a president to have that kind of knowledge of military hardware.

batgoat

Ya, Cartman, pretty sure you're the only person who would truly claim to believe that Trump has specialised knowledge on military hardware...

Eric Cartman

batgoat wrote: »

Ya, Cartman, pretty sure you're the only person who would truly claim to believe that Trump has specialised knowledge on military hardware...

thats not what I've claimed though, I've just said that it would be odd for any leader to even ask a question like that , let alone argue a point which turns out is the correct one according to multiple reports.

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thats not what I've claimed though, I've just said that it would be odd for any leader to even ask a question like that , let alone argue a point which turns out is the correct one according to multiple reports.

Erm yes you did... The president accidentally hitting on a point is not something to be particularly impressed by.... It was a pretty generic statement that he made that was closer to hot air than an actually informed opinion. That's the reality.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

There are a lot of reports that suggest steam catapults are much more reliable than electromagnetic ones , the fact he'd even ask that question and have looked into it is odd, normally you wouldn't expect a president to have that kind of knowledge of military hardware.

Eric Cartman

batgoat wrote: »

Ya, Cartman, pretty sure you're the only person who would truly claim to believe that Trump has specialised knowledge on military hardware...

thats not what I claimed though , I said normally you wouldn't expect any leader to have any knowledge, let alone this one tidbit ,

you are misconstruing my post to make it sound like I'm claiming that Donald trump is an expert on aircraft carriers, I have not implied or stated that and you know I haven't.

If you remove your own vendetta against Donald trump and anyone who won't just say bad things all the time for one second and look at this objectively .

A US president asked a technical question about military hardware and argued (correctly) that it should have been implemented using a different system.

It is rather odd that this situation even occurred and its not something we've seen or expected from any previous US president.

I would love to know was this something researched knowing what he was going to see, a tidbit he knew from an unrelated incident or did somebody tell him to say it, as its an outside the box question from a US leader.

Igotadose

Hey, Trump's accomplished something. Midterms were the highest turnout percentage since 1914. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/2018-turnout-was-the-highest-of-any-midterm-since-1914.html

2020 has a bunch of tGOP Senate seats up for election (as well as all Congressional seats), and of course the POTUS too. Hold on to your hats...

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thats not what I claimed though , I said normally you wouldn't expect any leader to have any knowledge, let alone this one tidbit ,

you are misconstruing my post to make it sound like I'm claiming that Donald trump is an expert on aircraft carriers, I have not implied or stated that and you know I haven't.

If you remove your own vendetta against Donald trump and anyone who won't just say bad things all the time for one second and look at this objectively .

A US president asked a technical question about military hardware and argued (correctly) that it should have been implemented using a different system.

It is rather odd that this situation even occurred and its not something we've seen or expected from any previous US president.

I would love to know was this something researched knowing what he was going to see, a tidbit he knew from an unrelated incident or did somebody tell him to say it, as its an outside the box question from a US leader.

Since he isn't known for even reading intelligence reports, it's unlikely he researched anything so not a moment of genius or even intelligence from him. If he had read about it, he could have far greater detail than a vague remark about Einstein.

TomOnBoard

Cartman made a valid comment about Trump referencing known concerns around issues with the EMALS system in the new carrier Gerald R Ford.

Surely Trump is entitled to express such concerns, without ppl simply ascribing such opinions as unfounded, stupid or similar.

Now I don't carry any water for TrumP, or for Cartman. However, I do carry water for their rights to opine and present viewpoints without encountering triggered naked aggression si mply because of previously stated opinions and actions. O therwise, this is truly an echo chamber.

Eric Cartman

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Cartman made a valid comment about Trump referencing known concerns around issues with the EMALS system in the new carrier Gerald R Ford.

Surely Trump is entitled to express such concerns, without ppl simply ascribing such opinions as unfounded, stupid or similar.

Now I don't carry any water for TrumP, or for Cartman. However, I do carry water for their rights to opine and present viewpoints without encountering triggered naked aggression si mply because of previously stated opinions and actions. O therwise, this is truly an echo chamber.

+1 , it is already that though, on the previous page a user made a joke about trump being a 20's tycoon because he wanted to 'go back to steam' like we were discussing trains, multiple thanks, another user below also just said trump was wrong just because 'steam' , absolutely nobody bothered their arse checking what an EMALS system is or what he was on about and it was all posts and thanks.

I came in to correct that and the post that completely intentionally misconstrued what I said and then attacked me based on something I didn't say got thanks.

You can say anything you like in this thread about Donald trump as long as its bad or calls him an idiot and that will buy you all the thanks and defence from the other posters. Regardless of if its correct, real, photoshopped, from a fake news site etc...

Say anything not negative and you get a reply that is based on either something you haven't said at all or you get asked to agree that trump is an idiot/tyrant etc.. or condemn him for some 'atrocity' or statement he made that has nothing to do with your post at all.

This is supposed to be a forum where people discuss politics, this thread has just become a Jackson pollock painting of negative words about a man with a thin veneer of facts used as an excuse for slurs and over reactive posts. Any deviation from such is intentionally misinterpreted to fuel the fury more.

Pro tip : the usual suspects, you know who you are, when you reply to this can you do it without calling me a bigot or mentioning my views on taxation which have nothing to do with this posts.

pixelburp

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1 , it is already that though, on the previous page a user made a joke about trump being a 20's tycoon because he wanted to 'go back to steam' like we were discussing trains, multiple thanks, another user below also just said trump was wrong just because 'steam' , absolutely nobody bothered their arse checking what an EMALS system is or what he was on about and it was all posts and thanks.

Hey Eric?

Thanks.

But don't have a go because I posted, as you say, a joke. I think Trump is a tycoon cliché because by and large his ... presentation of wealth is of the classic demonstrations of power, as opposed to the 'soft power' new age wealthy such as your Jeff Bezos. Trump talking up the powers of steam made me laugh because it matched his 'gold palace' styling of an Old World, STEAM age billionaire.

To be honest I found his giving thanks for himself more offensive than a passing remark over a technology. Or indeed later remarks of the "there's no global warming because it's so cold ATM" variety.

Is there a legitimate link with launching systems? Hey turns out there is but *shrug* none of the sources made mention of that so due diligence failure there.

Hands up on my part as I posted the thing.

but I'll say one thing: there is plenty of evidence Trump doesn't read reports, and a large percentage of his public utterances are demonstrable, rambling bullsh*t; it's a forgivable offence to presume his words as fantasies (such as raking forests, border walls, being wiretapped by Obama, democrat lies over Porto Rico death tolls, etc etc). Trump doesn't talk facts half the time, and one swallow doesn't make a summer.

everlast75

The simple, undisputed fact of the matter is, as pixelburp has said, and I'm paraphrasing here - the guy is an utter moron.

I could post literally hundreds of instances of compete and utter BS spewing from his mouth. He has a serious lack of vocabulary, memory span and intellect.

I cannot speak for anyone else here, but I've had 2 plus years of his narcissistic inane ramblings and frankly I've had enough. I simply cannot listen to him speak anymore.

I'll state on the record that his ramblings are now water off a duck's back with me. I'll keep an eye on his actions and little else.

So, that being said, it is conceivable that his advisors finally got through to him, no doubt with the assistance of some paper and crayons, and he managed to regurgitate something close to a valid point? Maybe.

But let's not kid ourselves here.

That's exactly what it was.

It is widely reported that his idea of economics is the same as it was 30 years ago. He is not an innovator. He is not open to new ideas, unless he personally can turn a quick buck.

I wouldn't trust him to order a take out meal for me. Let whoever had confidence is his ability allow Trump to determine their fate. Sadly, the rest of us are simply being dragged along down with them.

Oh, and one final point on this being an echo chamber.

Perhaps if those that support him could perhaps agree every now again with ANY criticism. I have found that they simply cherrypick minor inaccuracies and jump all over them. Pages will go by, citing atrocious behaviour and not a peep. To ignore all the awful stuff he does and then accuse others in here of ignoring any valid point Trump might raise is simply hypocritical.

Eric Cartman

pixelburp wrote: »

Hey Eric?

Thanks.

But don't have a go because I posted, as you say, a joke. I think Trump is a tycoon cliché because by and large his ... presentation of wealth is of the classic demonstrations of power, as opposed to the 'soft power' new age wealthy such as your Jeff Bezos. Trump talking up the powers of steam made me laugh because it matched his 'gold palace' styling of an Old World, STEAM age billionaire.

To be honest I found his giving thanks for himself more offensive than a passing remark over a technology. Or indeed later remarks of the "there's no global warming because it's so cold ATM" variety.

Is there a legitimate link with launching systems? Hey turns out there is but *shrug* none of the sources made mention of that so due diligence failure there

but I'll say one thing: there is plenty of evidence Trump doesn't read reports, and a large percentage of his public utterances are demonstrable, rambling bullsh*t; it's a forgivable offence to presume his words as fantasies (such as raking forests, border walls, being wiretapped by Obama, democrat lies over Porto Rico death tolls, etc etc). Trump doesn't talk facts half the time, and one swallow doesn't make a summer.

But this is the problem, its not that the news sources didn't do due diligence, they left that out almost certainly intentionally, it suits their agenda and allows people to have another pop at him. Every single day on forums like this and reddit people post stories, or opinions based on articles that lack this same 'due diligence'

The only reason that this thread now knows trump was correct was because I pointed it out, and it happened to be something that I had heard about issues with electromagnetic EMALS before, so then you have to question how many other times has he said something that was right, but the news sources conveniently left that out and nobody here noticed that what he said was right,

'one swallow doesn't make a summer' is right, but we're discounting how many other times he could have been right and this 'due diligence' just wasn't done.

Before anyone twists it , I'm not saying he's right on everything , definitely has some incorrect opinions on climate change etc.. but it doesn't make him wrong all the time, and it doesn't mean that every news article making him sound wrong is correct.

I suppose what I'm really asking for here is, if you see a story like this that said he spurted out something 'dumb' that isn't factual, look up and see if he actually was right , and I don't mean in a cnn article or something, in the actual hard data on a subject.

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

The simple, undisputed fact of the matter is, as pixelburp has said, and I'm paraphrasing here - the guy is an utter moron.

I could post literally hundreds of instances of compete and utter BS spewing from his mouth. He has a serious lack of vocabulary, memory span and intellect.

I cannot speak for anyone else here, but I've had 2 plus years of his narcissistic inane ramblings and frankly I've had enough. I simply cannot listen to him speak anymore.

I'll state on the record that his ramblings are now water off a duck's back with me. I'll keep an eye on his actions and little else.

So, that being said, it is conceivable that his advisors finally got through to him, no doubt with the assistance of some paper and crayons, and he managed to regurgitate something close to a valid point? Maybe.

But let's not kid ourselves here.

That's exactly what it was.

It is widely reported that his idea of economics is the same as it was 30 years ago. He is not an innovator. He is not open to new ideas, unless he personally can turn a quick buck.

I wouldn't trust him to order a take out meal for me. Let whoever had confidence is his ability allow Trump to determine their fate. Sadly, the rest of us are simply being dragged along down with them.

Oh, and one final point on this being an echo chamber.

Perhaps if those that support him could perhaps agree every now again with ANY criticism. I have found that they simply cherrypick minor inaccuracies and jump all over them. Pages will go by, citing atrocious behaviour and not a peep. To ignore all the awful stuff he does and then accuse others in here of ignoring any valid point Trump might raise is simply hypocritical.

Almost every time I come in to this thread you ask me to criticise something he's done and there have been a fair few times I have, as has 2 scoops and others. I don't think thats ever been an issue here.

also what do you mean by 30 year old economics ? that he would be more in the Reagan line of thinking there ? if so well thats not a bad thing in the conservative book, the GOP and many people like myself are more interested in returning to those kind of economic policies.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Almost every time I come in to this thread you ask me to criticise something he's done and there have been a fair few times I have, as has 2 scoops and others. I don't think thats ever been an issue here.

But it is an issue.

You may respond to a question/criticism on a larger issue, but only when pressed for an answer when you were on here having a go and criticising a factual error in a much smaller issue.

The frustration at that style is based on you not seeing the bigger issue. Nitpicking, for want of a better term.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

also what do you mean by 30 year old economics ? that he would be more in the Reagan line of thinking there ? if so well thats not a bad thing in the conservative book, the GOP and many people like myself are more interested in returning to those kind of economic policies.

This was widely reported.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.fastcompany.com/90235149/trump-doesnt-really-understand-how-the-u-s-economy-is-changing-per-woodwards-book

relax carry on

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Almost every time I come in to this thread you ask me to criticise something he's done and there have been a fair few times I have, as has 2 scoops and others. I don't think thats ever been an issue here.

also what do you mean by 30 year old economics ? that he would be more in the Reagan line of thinking there ? if so well thats not a bad thing in the conservative book, the GOP and many people like myself are more interested in returning to those kind of economic policies.

Eric while you are in the responding mood can I get your thoughts on just this one example of his (depending on your viewpoint) mental instability/mental deficiencies/utter incoherence/insanity/ramblings/etc. Does the below text strike you as odd in anyway? Does it give off the air of a leader, an innovator, even a fully functional human being? Does it belong to a President of the United States? If you do reply can you just comment on this singular example relating to Trump without bringing any of his or anyone elses actions into it.

relax carry on wrote: »

Just read the text of Trumps response about his tax returns last week on CNN. The text is below. It's nuts. It's just rambling nonsense.


"Well, look, as I've told you, they're under audit. They have been for a long time. They're extremely complex. People wouldn't understand them.
"They're done by -- among the biggest and best law firms in the country. Same thing with the accounting firms, the accountants are a very, very large, powerful firm from the standpoint of respect. They're highly respected, big firm. A -- a great law firm, or you would -- you know it very well. They do these things. They put them in.
"But people don't understand tax returns. Now, I did do a filing of over a hundred pages, I believe, which is in the offices. And when people went and saw that filing and they saw the magnitude of it, they were very disappointed.
"And they saw the -- you know, the detail. You get far more from that. And I guess we filed that, now, three times. But you get far more from that than you could ever get from a tax return.
"But when you're under audit -- and I'm on a very continuous audit because there are so many companies -- and it is a very big company, far bigger than you would even understand. But it's a -- it's a great company.
"But it's big, and it's complex and it's probably feet-high. It's a very complex instrument. And I think that people wouldn't understand it.
"But if I were finished with the audit, I would have an open mind to it. I would say that. But I don't want to do it during the audit.
"And -- and really no lawyer -- even from the other side they say, often, not always -- but when you're under audit, you don't have -- you don't subject it to that. You get it done, and then you release it.
"So when that happens, if that happens, I would certainly have an open mind to it."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/politics/donald-trump-taxes/index.html

Igotadose

Interesting reading at the Brooking's institute. Short summary: Trump's admin is doing a p1ss-poor job of deregulating, because they're incompetent when it comes to the legal challenges to their deregulatory efforts. The courts are in fact enforcing the rule of law.
Of 21 legal challenges to the Trump admin attempt to deregulate (usually these are EPA deregulation efforts), the Trump admin has lost or abandoned 18 of them, won 1, and 2 still being adjudicated (here: https://policyintegrity.org/documents/Deregulation_Roundup.pdf). Now, as the report @ Brooking's explains, these are challenged deregulation efforts - not every attempt at deregulation will be challenged, there are 143 'significant deregulatory actions'. But, overall the administration has a 5% success rate when challenged - the normal average is about 69%. The best people obviously don't work for Trump on this. https://www.brookings.edu/research/trumps-deregulatory-efforts-keep-losing-in-court-and-the-losses-could-make-it-harder-for-future-administrations-to-deregulate/

Overall, beyond regulation, the courts are pretty much stymieing the Trump admin pretty regularly all over the place - DACA, Emoluments clause lawsuit, ... One reason the Administration loses so much: "Trump loses so much at least partially because his administration must often contort itself into absurd postures to justify policies enacted by random tweet (as was the trans ban) or by vengeful tantrum (as was the sanctuary cities policy) or without proper procedures (the asylum changes). When agencies make abrupt and ill-considered policy changes, then send lawyers into courts to defend them, even the most conservative judge is apt to be frustrated. "

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/donald-trump-losing-courts-jurisprudence.html

So, some reason to not despair quite as much about the WH clown car. And, come January, the blizzard of subpoenas and investigations launched by the Democratic party in the House should slow the decay of America even further.

dr.fuzzenstein

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only reason that this thread now knows trump was correct was because I pointed it out, and it happened to be something that I had heard about issues with electromagnetic EMALS before, so then you have to question how many other times has he said something that was right, but the news sources conveniently left that out and nobody here noticed that what he said was right,

I am very well aware of the issues with this system.
But I very much doubt Trump is.
You are, as usual, trying to bend his bullsh*t into some kind of factual and insightful point.
It isn't. It's just Trump rambling on about whatever comes into his head.
I bet you the Earth he hasn't got the first clue about what he said, or even still remembers it.

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I suppose what I'm really asking for here is, if you see a story like this that said he spurted out something 'dumb' that isn't factual, look up and see if he actually was right , and I don't mean in a cnn article or something, in the actual hard data on a subject.

A broken clock is right twice a day.
It's still a broken clock. And therefore useless.

Leroy42

So is Trump actually correct that you need Albert Einstein to operate it? Or is that bit just to be ignored?

And this from the man you claimed that one of the newer US jets were invisable.

So, we have a man with no military background, that all reports (and tellingly non in disagreement) that doesn't read and needs notes kept as short as possible.

But Eric you think this comment is based on some deep knowledge of the subject and with the operational effectiveness of the military at its core?

pixelburp

Eric Cartman wrote: »

But this is the problem, its not that the news sources didn't do due diligence, they left that out almost certainly intentionally, it suits their agenda and allows people to have another pop at him. Every single day on forums like this and reddit people post stories, or opinions based on articles that lack this same 'due diligence'

The only reason that this thread now knows trump was correct was because I pointed it out, and it happened to be something that I had heard about issues with electromagnetic EMALS before, so then you have to question how many other times has he said something that was right, but the news sources conveniently left that out and nobody here noticed that what he said was right,

'one swallow doesn't make a summer' is right, but we're discounting how many other times he could have been right and this 'due diligence' just wasn't done.

Emphasis on the 'could'. Given that many outlets such as politifacts are actively tracking the lies and falsehoods of the current President, it's equally lazy and foolhardy to over-emphasise the one time that either an outlet - or user(s) on Boards - got it wrong in an eagerness to crow; a mocking, I might add, that only happens because the commander and chief frequently puts his foot in it. In this case it didn't look like his steam comments got too much media traction - probably because his comments over Finnish forest rakers was just another level of naive, uniformed waffling, one made in light of environmental catastrophe. iIke I said in another post, he reminds of the office colleague who just can't resist adding an overconfident opinion on everything.

Fair dues, you dug deeper and knew the comment wasn't without background, but as trite as hackneyed sayings about swallows and broken clocks might be, they come from a point of truth. Donald Trump peddles an awful amount of bullsh*t masquerading as deep wisdom; manure that has at times surfaced a fairly deplorable mindset, such as his attempts to claim Porto Rican deaths as political conspiracy (I know I bang this drum A LOT, but there's a lot to take from a person(s) attitude and response to a clear humanitarian crisis. Even from a cynical point of view, it's a political Gimme).