Changes in the GAA - super thread

Gachla

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Also the mens U20/21.

Just looked that up. Dublin have won 5 All Ireland's at u21/u20 level since 2003, they never won one before that. :eek:

ciarang85

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You've missed the point that Cork had a huge pedigree in Ladies Gaelic football, going back almost two decades.

Dublin did not. Their pedigree is very recent and their progress to the top has been relatively steep and sudden, like a cyclist who came from nowhere to dominate the sport you could say.

So Dominance is fine once you have a huge "pedirgree"? Do you think Ladies football wasn't played in Dublin pre 2010?

So does that mean you believe Dublin men's dominance at the minute is fine because they have a huge pedigree and the work has been put in over decades?

ToBeFrank123

ciarang85 wrote: »

Cork won that last weekend....

Dublin were odds on favourites and probably should have won.

But Dublin's AI wins and final appearances in the last 10 years is off the scale to what went before.

ciarang85

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Dublin were odds on favourites and probably should have won.

But the point is..... They didn't win....
So where's your dominanace?

ToBeFrank123

ciarang85 wrote: »

So Dominance is fine once you have a huge "pedirgree"? Do you think Ladies football wasn't played in Dublin pre 2010?

So does that mean you believe Dublin men's dominance at the minute is fine because they have a huge pedigree and the work has been put in over decades?

Dublin are dominating at grades they had almost no pedigree at before such as senior ladies and mens u20/u21. In senior mens they were good for an AI about once a decade except for the Heffo era and one or two other decades.

Their hurlers have also come on a good bit, even if still capable of collapsing.

None of this is a coincidence.

U20/21 success in particular is critical for long term senior success.

Gachla

ciarang85 wrote: »

But the point is..... They didn't win....
So where's your dominanace?

Any explanation?

Gachla wrote: »

Just looked that up. Dublin have won 5 All Ireland's at u21/u20 level since 2003, they never won one before that. :eek:

ToBeFrank123

ciarang85 wrote: »

But the point is..... They didn't win....
So where's your dominanace?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAA_Football_Under-20_All-Ireland_Championship

Dublin
5
2003, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017
4
1975, 1980, 2002, 2019

No other county have won 4 AIs this decade. That's dominance by any standard.

ciarang85

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Dublin are dominating at grades they had almost no pedigree at before such as senior ladies and mens u20/u21. In senior mens they were good for an AI about once a decade except for the Heffo era and one or two other decades.

Their hurlers have also come on a good bit, even if still capable of collapsing.

None of this is a coincidence.

U20/21 success in particular is critical for long term senior success.

1 Leinster Hurling Championship title in years...... and that was 2013!!

Dominance though i suppose....

Split Dublin hurling in 2....

ciarang85

Gachla wrote: »

Any explanation?

Maybe look up the minor football championship to see where they came from.

ToBeFrank123

It gets worse with the ladies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Ladies%27_Football_Championship


Dublin
3
2010, 2017, 2018
6
2003, 2004, 2009, 2014, 2015, 2016

All of their AI wins and final appearances have come since the turn of the millennium.

All their wins and half of their AI final losses came in this decade alone.

So yes, a very sudden rise coming from a weak background.

Gachla

Dublin clubs have won 2 All Ireland hurling titles in recent years, no Dublin clubs were even in a final before that. This is all getting too much to be a coincidence surely?

Gachla

ciarang85 wrote: »

Maybe look up the minor football championship to see where they came from.

That's not much of an effort at explaining it. But I looked it up, Dublin won there only minor All Ireland in 2012 since 1984. Not as stark but it adds to the list!

ciarang85

Gachla wrote: »

That's not much of an effort at explaining it. But I looked it up, Dublin won there only minor All Ireland in 2012 since 1984. Not as stark but it adds to the list!

They also lost other finals in that timeframe! forgetting them.

Gachla

ciarang85 wrote: »

They also lost other finals in that timeframe! forgetting them.

Yes, they lost in 2001, 2003 and 2011. So what have we got on the list.

Dublin Ladies football - From nowhere to dominating.
Dublin u20/21 - From nowhere to dominating
Dublin club football - Huge improvement
Dublin club hurling - Nowhere to actually winning All Ireland's
Dublin minor football - 1st All Ireland since early 80's
Dublin senior football - From competitive to dominant

Hmmmm it really does look suspicious when it's outlined like this. What else will I look up?

Gachla

Dublin have never won an All Ireland u20/21 hurling championship. They have gone from winning 2 Leinster u20/21's titles in their history, the last of which was in 1972, to winning 4 Leinsters since 2007! We'll have to add that to the list.

Gachla

Dublin won 1 Leinster minor hurling championship between 1965 and 2005. That's 40 years. Since 2005, they have won 6 more!
This list just keeps growing. What changed in Dublin GAA this century to cause these extraordinary series of unbelievable improvements across the board?

ciarang85

Gachla wrote: »

Dublin have never won an All Ireland u20/21 hurling championship. They have gone from winning 2 Leinster u20/21's titles in their history, the last of which was in 1972, to winning 4 Leinsters since 2007! We'll have to add that to the list.

Cork senior ladies came from nowhere and have won 30 pieces of silverware since 2005, where's your explanation for that? Is that not dominance? They have never even contested a all Ireland pre 2005!

Gachla

ciarang85 wrote: »

Cork senior ladies came from nowhere and have won 30 pieces of silverware since 2005, where's your explanation for that? Is that not dominance? They have never even contested a all Ireland pre 2005!

You can't even make an effort at explaining this huge list of improvements in Dublin GAA?

Dublin senior hurlers won a Leinster championship in 2013, they hadn't won one since 1961! And how many Dubs were on Dublin teams back then? They won a National league in 2011, they hadn't been in a final since 1946!

At this stage, has all areas of Dublin GAA seen enormous improvements? What's left, Dublin camógie?

Fann Linn

Gachla wrote: »

You can't even make an effort at explaining this huge list of improvements in Dublin GAA?

Dublin senior hurlers won a Leinster championship in 2013, they hadn't won one since 1961! And how many Dubs were on Dublin teams back then? They won a National league in 2011, they hadn't been in a final since 1946!

At this stage, has all areas of Dublin GAA seen enormous improvements? What's left, Dublin camógie?

Hopefully.

ciarang85

Gachla wrote: »

You can't even make an effort at explaining this huge list of improvements in Dublin GAA?

Dublin senior hurlers won a Leinster championship in 2013, they hadn't won one since 1961! And how many Dubs were on Dublin teams back then? They won a National league in 2011, they hadn't been in a final since 1946!

At this stage, has all areas of Dublin GAA seen enormous improvements? What's left, Dublin camógie?

I was just awnsering your original post, I'm out

I'v give you the facts re. Your original post and you can't even be bothered awnsering

Gachla

ciarang85 wrote: »

I was just awnsering your original post, I'm out, not bothered with trolls,

I'v give you the facts re. Your original post and you can't even be bothered awnsering

It's alright to admit that you have no explanation for the huge improvements across the board.

I looked up Dublin camógie. They've stayed at the same level, that being not very good. Maybe they need some of what improved standards in every other area of Dublin GAA.

Gachla

Just to try to tidy up this list.

Dublin senior footballers - 6 All Ireland's this decade, 1 in nearly 30 years before that. 14 Leinster championships since 2005?
Dublin senior hurlers - National league and Leinster championship in recent years, they never won anything with their own players prior to this?
Dublin ladies senior football - 3 All Ireland's in recent years, they never won an All Ireland before that. 8 Leinster championship in a row also?
Dublin u20/21 football - Won 5 All Ireland's this century, they never won one before then.
Dublin u20/21 hurling - 4 Leinster championships since 2007, they hadn't won one since 1972.
Dublin minor football - First All Ireland since the 80's was won in 2012.
Dublin minor hurling - 6 Leinster championships since 2005, they won 1 in 40 years before that.
Dublin club football - 4 All Ireland's since 2007, they won one in 30 years before that.
Dublin club hurling - 2 All Ireland's in the past few years, they were never even in a final before then.

My theory is that these improvements would not have come about without the funding Dublin GAA received since 2001. Does anyone have any other theory? I'd love to hear and I'm sure others would too. On the other hand, deflection or abuse will be ignored.

Fann Linn

Gachla wrote: »

Just to try to tidy up this list.

Dublin senior footballers - 6 All Ireland's this decade, 1 in nearly 30 years before that. 14 Leinster championships since 2005?
Dublin senior hurlers - National league and Leinster championship in recent years, they never won anything with their own players prior to this?
Dublin ladies senior football - 3 All Ireland's in recent years, they never won an All Ireland before that. 8 Leinster championship in a row also?
Dublin u20/21 football - Won 5 All Ireland's this century, they never won one before then.
Dublin u20/21 hurling - 4 Leinster championships since 2007, they hadn't won one since 1972.
Dublin minor football - First All Ireland since the 80's was won in 2012.
Dublin minor hurling - 6 Leinster championships since 2005, they won 1 in 40 years before that.
Dublin club football - 4 All Ireland's since 2007, they won one in 30 years before that.
Dublin club hurling - 2 All Ireland's in the past few years, they were never even in a final before then.

My theory is that these improvements would not have come about without the funding Dublin GAA received since 2001. Does anyone have any other theory? I'd love to hear and I'm sure others would too. On the other hand, deflection or abuse will be ignored.

Prove your theory.

ToBeFrank123

Fann Linn wrote: »

Prove your theory.

What theory is this now? That hugely inflated funding to Dublin has led to hugely inflated success?

That's like asking someone to prove the theory that the success of PSG or Manchester City is linked to their hugely inflated spending.

If it was only one grade or gender or just football where the improvements were made you could argue it was an outlier. The fact its across the board means its systematic and about as far from coincidence as you can get.

Its no mystery though. If you invest a massive financial gift from the GAA far in excess of whats given to everyone else it becomes inevitable you dominate. The entirely predictable outcome of a foolish decision we will have to deal with for years.

I'd hate to see ladies football go the same way as mens, ie a non competitive joke. A 5 in a row from Dublin in the ladies if it happens will underline the joke. Nothing before 2010 when increased development fund players started to come through. Almost complete domination by 2019. Coincidence my eyeball.

ciarang85

Gachla wrote: »

Just to try to tidy up this list.

Dublin senior footballers - 6 All Ireland's this decade, 1 in nearly 30 years before that. 14 Leinster championships since 2005?
Dublin senior hurlers - National league and Leinster championship in recent years, they never won anything with their own players prior to this?
Dublin ladies senior football - 3 All Ireland's in recent years, they never won an All Ireland before that. 8 Leinster championship in a row also?
Dublin u20/21 football - Won 5 All Ireland's this century, they never won one before then.
Dublin u20/21 hurling - 4 Leinster championships since 2007, they hadn't won one since 1972.
Dublin minor football - First All Ireland since the 80's was won in 2012.
Dublin minor hurling - 6 Leinster championships since 2005, they won 1 in 40 years before that.
Dublin club football - 4 All Ireland's since 2007, they won one in 30 years before that.
Dublin club hurling - 2 All Ireland's in the past few years, they were never even in a final before then.

My theory is that these improvements would not have come about without the funding Dublin GAA received since 2001. Does anyone have any other theory? I'd love to hear and I'm sure others would too. On the other hand, deflection or abuse will be ignored.

You still won't awnser what I replied to your original post, are you worried about the 30 final wins by the cork ladies since 2005? I'm not...

As I said before they have never contested a AI before that, What's your theory on how they did that? If you're so hung up on dominance

Is your "theory" that Cork Gaa bought them wins also or do you just reserve that theory for Dublin?

Gachla

Fann Linn wrote: »

Prove your theory.

I've backed up my theory with the facts listed above. Huge improvements that coincided with the huge increase in funding. That the improvements are so widespread adds credence to my theory. We have seen that an increase in funding has led to increase in standards in many other sports. Do you have anything that goes against my theory? Can you explain the increase in standards across the board?

ToBeFrank123

You'd have to laugh at anyone who says a massive increase in professional coaches at Dublin clubs has nothing to do with a huge increase in success across the boards for Dublin teams. They are kidding no-one.

ToBeFrank123

Gachla wrote: »

You can't even make an effort at explaining this huge list of improvements in Dublin GAA?

Dublin senior hurlers won a Leinster championship in 2013, they hadn't won one since 1961! And how many Dubs were on Dublin teams back then? They won a National league in 2011, they hadn't been in a final since 1946!

At this stage, has all areas of Dublin GAA seen enormous improvements? What's left, Dublin camógie?

I'd imagine the camogie base is low in Dublin but they've managed to exponentially increase the performance of the mens hurlers in recent years so no reason why they can't do the same with camogie.

a_squirrelman

This thread is turning into two Dublin haters talking to each other.

Anyway, the Super 8's have to go, boring muck, bring back the old system. Much more excitement.

blanch152

Gachla wrote: »

I've backed up my theory with the facts listed above. Huge improvements that coincided with the huge increase in funding. That the improvements are so widespread adds credence to my theory. We have seen that an increase in funding has led to increase in standards in many other sports. Do you have anything that goes against my theory? Can you explain the increase in standards across the board?

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/explainer-correlation-causation-coincidence-and-more


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Makes as much sense as some of the stuff I’m reading here.