Sick of being fat

Hodors Appletart

Augeo wrote: »

Apologies, I was referring to the advocates of IF who credit it with their weight loss.

yeah, I've started IF myself (not all the time, usually I do 4 days a week 18/6) and I've seen the results. I'm not calorie cramming in my window, just having the same food I'd always have had.

For context, since last Autumn I've actively been trying to lose weight, started eating properly and excercising (work out 2x a week and cycling). I had started to plateau a bit so decided to cut breakfast. I have the same lunch (loads of veggies and 130g protein for lunch, stir fry) and a "proper dinner", meaning I just eat whatever is prepared that evening (we cook everything from scratch, and don't have huge portion sizes as a rule).

The weight has started to fall again, so that is definitely a calorie deficit of course. I haven't looked into the actual science of the IF, but I do believe there is something else going on, along with the deficit, but the deficit is the main thing.

Hodors Appletart

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

...............the deficit is the main thing.

Indeed :cool:

Ande1975

Whatever... Keto & IF works for me.

I've eaten the same amount in calories with carbs as I had in fat (doing IF) and I've actually put on a bit of weight this past couple of weeks. I'm bloated and look like sh/t. I still consistently walked but feel awful.
Going to cut that carb crap out.

Its not faux anything. Have you seen how people have reversed Type 2 diabetes?
My late father developed Type 1 in his 50s. No matter how much he ate he couldn't put on weight. He got skinnier and skinnier. Used to have a feed of pints from the thirst. Stuff his face with everything and was getting still getting thinner.
Once it was diagnosed and had to inject insulin, he started to put it on. Used to always tell me he could eat a fry every day and not put on weight.
However loved his bread and desserts so would occasionally have to take extra insulin.
Saw first hand the effect certain foods have on blood glucose levels, sugar spikes. Weight gain and weight loss. The man lived with it for 30 years.

What I find amusing about the naysayers is that the weight loss groups that promote the calorie in/calorie out are fee based, yet the keto/IF promoters offer their advice for free. (Yes some charge but most are freely available)

Alf Veedersane

Ande1975 wrote: »

What I find amusing about the naysayers is that the weight loss groups that promote the calorie in/calorie out are fee based, yet the keto/IF promoters offer their advice for free. (Yes some charge but most are freely available)

MyFitnessPal is free. Thats what most people would suggest for measuring calories in/calories out. The labels also give you information for free so I'm not sure what you're saying is fee-based. You don't need to go to WW or SW for advice. I'd steer clear of them for advice. But they work well for some people because of the accountability element.

It's probably what you used to determine that you consumed exactly the same in carbs as you had been in fat, though that wouldn't make sense since you don't think counting calories is useful (which begs the question how you knew you consumed exactly the same amount of carbs as fat).

And most people aren't naysayers. Just realistic about how keto or IF works and have said that its sustainability that counts and if they are sustainable tools for you, so be it. No one has said they are wrong approaches. You're the one stating that the CICO mod is essentially useless.

Ande1975

Ande1975 wrote: »

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What I find amusing about the naysayers is that the weight loss groups that promote the calorie in/calorie out are fee based, yet the keto/IF promoters offer their advice for free. (Yes some charge but most are freely available)

Folk need to pay to count calories ?

Ande1975

Look it, anyone who is following this thread just want to know what works for people.
I am just offering what works for me, I've done WW, SW but Keto/IF transformed my life.
I've seen the benefits both physically and mentally.
The COCI way is not enough and not sustainable.
I'm bowing out of this now.
At the end of the day, anyone reading this is looking for support, ideas and approaches that they can try. Knocking what I am suggesting is fair play, I REALLY DO NOT CARE! It works for me.
Look it, if people find that calories in, calories out works for them... GREAT! Happy days
I just learned there is a more satisfying and faster way to lose the weight.
But if you guys just want to poke holes in what I suggest, well, its just sad...

Dudley Smith

I found this talk useful on the metabolic impact of processed versus unprocessed foods. The speaker, Robert Lustig, is a pediatric endocrinologist and an expert on childhood obesity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxyxcTZccsE
Is a Calorie a Calorie? Processed Food, Experiment Gone Wrong

Any model that seeks to deal with the present diabesity pandemic (morbidity and mortality metrics which dwarf COVID-19 incidentally) needs to address the metabolic impact of food and satiety, in particular. Treating humans as a closed system, akin a steam engine, based on the calorie in/calorie out model is no longer tenable and has patently failed given the metabolic syndrome levels we see and the cost in human lives and financial cost to society.

Qgirl

Augeo wrote: »

If you weren't in a calorie deficit you wouldn't have lost weight.
Any doctor or anyone else who refutes that is off their tree.

What did you think the walking did? It burned calories

lol at the science reference............. A calorie is a unit of energy FYI

I would say you are not completely correct.
Calories in and calories out as references, however calories from junk food and calories from healthy, nutrient dense food two different things.

Is the nutrients that regulate your metabolism, mood, well being. Not simplified calories in or out.

Cork Lass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117338505#Comment_117338505

i have used IF as a weight loss tool and it worked very well for me but only because i kept in a calorie deficit during my eating window. What the IF does is give my gut a rest (I can suffer from severe gastritis) and it prevents me from eating crap in the evenings which is an overall help in keeping in a deficit. I feel great when I fast but seriously doubt it would work if I wasn't keeping to my calorie deficit - it's a fast not a miracle.

KurtBarlow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117397704#Comment_117397704

He is 100% correct. If you eat healthy food but your not in a calorie deficit you will not lose weight

KurtBarlow

Dr Jason Fung is a quack and nothing but a charlaton. He is a Docter but not in Nutrition. He is a kidney specialist. Dr layne norton who has a phD in Nutrition and numerous power lifting and bodybuilding titles debunking him debunks his claims in the following you tube video. Search its not calories. Its hormones. Responding to dr jason fung educational video .

markmoto

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117697801#Comment_117697801

yes and no, as Qgirl said nutrients can up-regulate your metabolism and mood for e.g. going to the gym. But out of curiosity what food is healthy in your opinion, bread? potatoes? Organic or non organic fruit & veg, meat, eggs?

KurtBarlow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730118#Comment_117730118

Every one knows at a subconscious level whats healthy. If it comes from an animal or grows in the ground its healthy. However food that has had some degree of processing to it can still be part of a healthy diet . However to lose weight you still need to be in a calorie deficit. Its not the calories from nutrient dense foods that makes them so healthy but the micro nutrients. Micronutrients have zero calories. If you over eat on healthy food your only going to be adding extra macro nutrients which are the ones with calories carbs protein fat etc. Also these types of foods are so satisfying that much easier to be in a deficit eating them . The most important factor in getting healthy when your over weight is getting that fat off

markmoto

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117733012#Comment_117733012

Kind of make sense however I want to distance from phrases such as "calorie deficit" and concentrate on essential, nutritionally dense food.

Once you get into habit of eating essential healthy food it would be hard to overeat.

Just to mention carbs is non essential food source.

KurtBarlow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734971#Comment_117734971

Carbs are not essential but they sure taste good. And they also contain a lot of nutrients. The reason they aren't essential is because the body can convert protein into sugars through a process called gluconeogenesis but why go that route when you can get the energy faster from carbs. I have no problem with anyone choosing to follow a low carb diet if that's what they truly love eating. However I like many people love fruits, potatoes , oatmeal ,rice , bread etc and these can all be enjoyed as part of a balanced diet

farmerval

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117702667#Comment_117702667

Jason Fung is not a quack. He deals with patients suffering from deficient kidney function, many as a result of Type 2 Diabetes. He made a huge breakthrough in getting obese patients to lose sufficient weight through intermittent fasting to lose sufficient fat and weight to allow them come off diabetic medication. This has been a huge step forward for people with type 2 diabetes.

Jason Fung's approach is a large calorie deficit within an intermittent fasting regime. Along with some other practitioners his work has given great hope to people diagnosed with type 2 diabetes that their condition can be reversed without medication. Disappointingly a new approach that does not make money for the pharmaceutical industry finds it very hard to gain traction in the medical world.

If you look at diabetes.co.uk discussion boards, there are tons of people there who have taken control of their diabetes through low carb or intermittent fasting regimes and reversed a really serious disease. That is one hell of an achievement.

Ozymandius2011

The key is to cut out sweets, cakes, buns, biscuits, and fast food, and to drink lots of water (2-4 litres a day), and I would recommend a weight loss app like Fitbit. I use the Fitbit app to keep track of my in-out calories. Caloric deficits will burn through the fat. I have occasionally had a small bag of crisps this year but very rarely. I am under no illusions that this is very difficult advice to follow for some. Those with a lifetime experience of obesity or being overweight (such as myself) may lack a hormone called Leptin, which seems to be involved in telling us when we are full. I have a history of yo-yo dieting since my early 20s (I am now in my early 40s). I'm well on the way to sorting it out this year. The key is cut out the aforementioned and drink lots of water to help flush out the fat.