Beaches left in an absolute STATE....why are we a filthy nation?

theyoungchap

Our beaches have been left in an absolute state after the week of weather. Everything from BBQ's, bottles, cans, nappies, etc left on the beach.
Why or how did we descend into such a nation of scumbags?
The excuse "the bins were full" doesn't wash with the fact that such scumbags didn't even have the decency to leave their rubbish beside the bin.
Has it seeped into our mindset that our rubbish is somebody else's problem?
Why can't we have the decency to bring our rubbish home and dispose of it there?
The proposal of the deposit on bottles is a starting point, but it still won't get us away from the fact that people seem to think it is not their responsibility to look after their own rubbish.
I think as a nation we are fairly unique in this lack of pride in where we come from?
Killiney beach at the weekend was disgusting with dog poo on the beach and on the walkways onto the beach. Dogs are not allowed on the beach and yet it is completely ignored.
How or why did we descend into such savages with no respect for anybody else using our public amenities? Do people not think it is embarrassing that this is what we have become?

SSr0

Well said OP. Not many people in this country have even a tiny bit of a social conscience.

Because they’re being told that someone else will clear up after them and carry the cost of same.

q85dw7osi4lebg

If it wasn't for local residents and volunteers all beaches would be a kip. Council are useless too in this regard, certainly where I am from, lack of bins etc. It's hard to target the root of the problem with people having absolutely no respect for the environment.

If said rubbish wasn't picked up for weeks on end the scumbags would quickly stop visiting.

theyoungchap

Nico Sharp Bubble wrote: »

If it wasn't for local residents and volunteers all beaches would be a kip. Council are useless too in this regard, certainly where I am from, lack of bins etc. It's hard to target the root of the problem with people having absolutely no respect for the environment.

If said rubbish wasn't picked up for weeks on end the scumbags would quickly stop visiting.

Yeah but the problem is, so would everybody else! I would love to know how much each county council spends on litter wardens, and the level of enforcement/fining that goes on.

If a litter warden was sent to a clean beach for the day, and the beach was in a state by that evening and nobody fined, you'd have to conclude the litter warden wasn't doing their job during the day.....?

ARNOLD J RIMMER

While I agree with you I have to question where are all the bins on the beaches and how often are they emptied?

I grew up beside a popular beach in North Dublin and bins were few and far between and left overflowing for days. This is the same in popular parks and where people congregate.

I lived on mainland Europe where there would be bins in public places that are emptied a number of times a day.

If Ireland is a tourist spot for Irish and External visitors. You would think this concept would be prioritized.

theyoungchap

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

While I agree with you I have to question where are all the bins on the beaches and how often are they emptied?

I grew up beside a popular beach in North Dublin and bins were few and far between and left overflowing for days. This is the same in popular parks and where people congregate.

I lived on mainland Europe where there would be bins in public places that are emptied a number of times a day.

If Ireland is a tourist spot for Irish and External visitors. You would think this concept would be prioritized.

Bins are always off the beach (in car park, etc) but my point is that people didn't even bring their stuff to the overflowing bin - you can't blame a full bin which they didn't even seek out and say "I left it on the beach instead". Why can't people bring their rubbish home with them if the bin is full? It's hardly that much of a job to do so?
You'd think if Ireland was a "tourist spot" (which it is) people would prioritise having the decency to not litter and bring their mess home and dispose? No?

Dial Hard

theyoungchap wrote: »

Why can't people bring their rubbish home with them if the bin is full? It's hardly that much of a job to do so?

This is what I can't understand. If you brought it with you full then you can sure as shit take it home with you empty.

gctest50

Being 2018 n stuff, use a beach cleaner

loads of stuff gets washed up anyway outside of
bottles etc

_Brian

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

While I agree with you I have to question where are all the bins on the beaches and how often are they emptied?

I grew up beside a popular beach in North Dublin and bins were few and far between and left overflowing for days. This is the same in popular parks and where people congregate.

I lived on mainland Europe where there would be bins in public places that are emptied a number of times a day.

If Ireland is a tourist spot for Irish and External visitors. You would think this concept would be prioritized.

The whole bins argument is mute.
Bring your rubbish home and deal with it.

Irish in general are disgusting dirty creature with little respect for others or the environment. Part of my job deals with litter and it’s just an epidemic at the moment.

HeidiHeidi

It's a mindset.


I've seen people (adults and children) toss sandwich and sweet wrappers etc onto the street while they were right beside a bin - it was so casual and natural an action I'd say if you asked them they didn't even realise they'd done it.


Same with tossing cigarette butts and other rubbish out of a car window.



I despair of it all sometimes.

theyoungchap

gctest50 wrote: »

Being 2018 n stuff, use a beach cleaner

loads of stuff gets washed up anyway outside of
bottles etc

And do you really think we should pay for that rather than change a mindset? How much would a fleet of them cost our public finances?

q85dw7osi4lebg

gctest50 wrote: »

Being 2018 n stuff, use a beach cleaner

loads of stuff gets washed up anyway outside of
bottles etc

My local beach had these out every day thougout the 90s and 00's. Haven't seen one in nearly a decade now.

iamwhoiam

Its so easy to bring an empty bin liner and put rubbish in it and bring it home . Why can't people do that ?
Having said that the beaches in Portugal are cleaned by the street cleaners at night.

_Brian

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its so easy to bring an empty bin liner and put rubbish in it and bring it home . Why can't people do that ?
Having said that the beaches in Portugal are cleaned by the street cleaners at night.

The answer shouldn’t be that someone walks round after people at night cleaning up their mess.

We need some personal responsibility and respect for others and the environment. When money is going to pay people to pick litter it’s time they could be planting and tending flowers or green areas which would be money and time better spent.

90% of bins we have overflowing is from people coming and stuffing domestic waste into them at night.

iamwhoiam

_Brian wrote: »

The answer shouldn’t be that someone walks round after people at night cleaning up their mess.

We need some personal responsibility and respect for others and the environment. When money is going to pay people to pick litter it’s time they could be planting and tending flowers or green areas which would be money and time better spent.

90% of bins we have overflowing is from people coming and stuffing domestic waste into them at night.

I didnt say it was the answer ! I pick up my rubbish and all my family do . But others don't and I would like to sit on a clean beach . I personally think instead of letting prisoners out early they could so this kind of work .And i also think the public bins should be emptied far more often .

ozzy78

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

While I agree with you I have to question where are all the bins on the beaches and how often are they emptied?

I grew up beside a popular beach in North Dublin and bins were few and far between and left overflowing for days. This is the same in popular parks and where people congregate.

I lived on mainland Europe where there would be bins in public places that are emptied a number of times a day.

If Ireland is a tourist spot for Irish and External visitors. You would think this concept would be prioritized.

Couldn't agree with you more. I lived in Germany and bins are available in every public space. As you point out bins in Ireland are often not emptied for days. Where I live in Dublin bins are overflowing constantly with the overflow rubbish blowing away. They must only be emptied weekly here rather than daily!

august12

It all comes down to rearing in the home, it wouldn't matter a toss how many bins are available,

iamwhoiam

august12 wrote: »

It all comes down to rearing in the home, it wouldn't matter a toss how many bins are available,

Agreed . We had a four year old on the beach on Saturday and she asked for our bin bag to put her banana skin into

august12

iamwhoiam wrote:

Agreed . We had a four year old on the beach on Saturday and she asked for our bin bag to put her banana skin into

And that is the way I reared my kids, to respect other people's property and to look after the environment by playing their part ie pick up their own rubbish and not to be expecting others to clean up their mess.

lawred2

theyoungchap wrote: »

Our beaches have been left in an absolute state after the week of weather. Everything from BBQ's, bottles, cans, nappies, etc left on the beach.
Why or how did we descend into such a nation of scumbags?
The excuse "the bins were full" doesn't wash with the fact that such scumbags didn't even have the decency to leave their rubbish beside the bin.
Has it seeped into our mindset that our rubbish is somebody else's problem?
Why can't we have the decency to bring our rubbish home and dispose of it there?
The proposal of the deposit on bottles is a starting point, but it still won't get us away from the fact that people seem to think it is not their responsibility to look after their own rubbish.
I think as a nation we are fairly unique in this lack of pride in where we come from?
Killiney beach at the weekend was disgusting with dog poo on the beach and on the walkways onto the beach. Dogs are not allowed on the beach and yet it is completely ignored.
How or why did we descend into such savages with no respect for anybody else using our public amenities? Do people not think it is embarrassing that this is what we have become?

I find it incredibly embarrassing yes.. many many people have no concept of society. Thousands of wild animals left loose on the beach would create less mess.

listermint

Lets say over the course of a week, 10,000 people used the beach. and 100 of them let their dogs ****e over the place and threw rubbish on it.



Thats 1% OP.

There will always be people who make ****e of stuff for others. This is the same the world over. Their concern stops at their own front door. 1% is enough people to make a mess of things and you cant really stop these people without murdering them in the pocket and proper enforcement.

TallGlass

_Brian wrote: »

The whole bins argument is mute.

In fairness, I don't think the argument is mute. More bins are needed in general.

If people are putting waste into them from a house, that's not my problem, it's not my job to tell the council how to design a bin.

If worst comes to the worst, the county council, should go around with a truck on the beech and someone along side it and actually ask people have they any rubbish to get rid of.

And yes, some people are dirty pricks and want everything done for them.

Another question, we could be asking is where are the litter wardens? Send a few of them down to these hot spots and once word gets around, your problem will be over.

theyoungchap

listermint wrote: »

Lets say over the course of a week, 10,000 people used the beach. and 100 of them let their dogs ****e over the place and threw rubbish on it.



Thats 1% OP.

There will always be people who make ****e of stuff for others. This is the same the world over. Their concern stops at their own front door. 1% is enough people to make a mess of things and you cant really stop these people without murdering them in the pocket and proper enforcement.

But that's just an excuse. Having lived in the US, UK and Australia, it is never a problem there. I have never seen a mess like our beaches.
In Australia, I remember canoeing the Noosa everglades. The very first thing we were told was "this is a national park. If you bring it in, you bring it out" which we did. Why can't we do the same instead of finding problems and excuses for scumbags?

Duckjob

listermint wrote: »

....you cant really stop these people without murdering them in the pocket and proper enforcement.

And that, in a nutshell, is the problem - We don't do enforcement in Ireland - of anything.

listermint

theyoungchap wrote: »

But that's just an excuse. Having lived in the US, UK and Australia, it is never a problem there. I have never seen a mess like our beaches.
In Australia, I remember canoeing the Noosa everglades. The very first thing we were told was "this is a national park. If you bring it in, you bring it out" which we did. Why can't we do the same instead of finding problems and excuses for scumbags?

Godswallop, ive travelled the length of the World. They have people like that everywhere. Different countries deal with it differently. Enforcement / cleanups . waste collection literally every morning on a beach or police enforcement.

Pretending that people are different elsewhere is burying your head in the sand. they are not different. the country deals with them or the problem differently.


And who is finding excuses ? im explaining the problem to you. Choose to pretend that other countries have 100% socially conscious individuals is nonsense.

_Brian

TallGlass wrote: »

In fairness, I don't think the argument is mute. More bins are needed in general.

If people are putting waste into them from a house, that's not my problem, it's not my job to tell the council how to design a bin.

If worst comes to the worst, the county council, should go around with a truck on the beech and someone along side it and actually ask people have they any rubbish to get rid of.

And yes, some people are dirty pricks and want everything done for them.

Another question, we could be asking is where are the litter wardens? Send a few of them down to these hot spots and once word gets around, your problem will be over.

Education and enforcement are the way, spending money babysitting people who litter is a waste and nothing is learned.

Make people show records for paying for domestic waste disposal.
More litter wardens enforcing littering and dog fouling

I photographed two individuals littering, including their registration plates. I had to repeatedly phone to push a conviction through and eventually two €80 fines were issues. But it was a torture to have it done. This should be easy.

TallGlass

_Brian wrote: »

Education and enforcement are the way, spending money babysitting people who litter is a waste and nothing is learned.

Make people show records for paying for domestic waste disposal.
More litter wardens enforcing littering and dog fouling

I photographed two individuals littering, including their registration plates. I had to repeatedly phone to push a conviction through and eventually two €80 fines were issues. But it was a torture to have it done. This should be easy.

First point, there are not enough bins. Simple as that, I walk the dog and I am carrying a bag of ****é around the place looking for one. You don't punish everyone that abuses the bins, you figure out a solution. Removing bins is stupid, the same people will just chuck it on the side of the road.

Literally, walk around Dublin 1 in the morning, there is an unmarked bin truck going around, road must be sweeped by road sweeper daily, best cleaned place around and it's still looks like a tip. And it's not even normal rubbish chucked on the side of the road, it's beds, TV stands.

Wheeliebin30

We like to think we’re this great little nation who the world loves.

Truth is we’re not, some are decent people but a lot have no personal responsibility, no pride in their country, are of the opinion someone else should clean up after them and pay for services.

Seems in the last 15 years the country has gone down the toilet bowl.

Selfish is the word.

Caroleia

Where I live is a short walk from a main road with a lovely stand of trees and a bench. I had to get blue bags from the City Council so I can clean up the cans thrown around the bench of an evening by local kids. Well off kids, they want for nothing (materially that is). There's a bin a couple of yards away from said bench. Near the last place I lived, I cleaned the local small green space on a regular basis. Local kids, very well off, dropped their plastic bottles and other fast food trash on the grass. There's a bin a few yards from that space also. You could argue that there should be council workers around more regularly but why can't the perps just put their trash in the bins provided? I've lived abroad and it's a peculiarly Irish problem as far as I can see. Yes you would see it in poor socio-economic areas but it seems to be ubiquitous here.

zapitastas

I have a theory that it starts at the cinema when people are young. Everybody gets up and leaves their junk scattered around and this escalates to the outside world

vicwatson

theyoungchap wrote: »

And do you really think we should pay for that rather than change a mindset? How much would a fleet of them cost our public finances?

We need both tbf

People need to cop on and take home their ****

Those machines would be great for getting rid of old nets seaweed and stuff that washes up

zapitastas

zapitastas wrote: »

I have a theory that it starts at the cinema when people are young. Everybody gets up and leaves their junk scattered around and this escalates to the outside world

I've always wondered why that's viewed as acceptable.


As a young'un myself i used to leave my sh*t behind me, though nowadays i pack everything up and throw it in the bin on the way out. Takes about 2 seconds (admittedly, I don't go rolling around the floor for dropped popcorn or such).


But I can't understand the concept that it's okay to leave a mess, on purpose, at the cinema. Bewilders me.

SirChenjin

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

It's a mindset.


I've seen people (adults and children) toss sandwich and sweet wrappers etc onto the street while they were right beside a bin - it was so casual and natural an action I'd say if you asked them they didn't even realise they'd done it.


Same with tossing cigarette butts and other rubbish out of a car window.



I despair of it all sometimes.

Agree. It used to annoy me so much also to see litter on the green in our estate. People obviously gave kids snacks (crisps, ice cream or whatever) and never wondered or wanted to know what they did with the wrappers. Ugh. Seems to have stopped, in more recent years, thankfully.

Litter is a huge issue, in my opinion. Recycling banks in some shopping centres are used as complete dumping grounds. Unless people actually do think the double bed mattress or broken television were suitable to be stuffed into bottle banks and clothes banks :rolleyes: :mad: and only realised their mistake when they got there...

I was waiting for a bus one evening recently on a busy city street. Plenty of bins around. A family passed by and further down the street, one of the children threw a plastic bottle from her hand...finished with her drink, sure what else would you do. She certainly had not been taught anything different.

It's disgusting.

There's a beach near me, Bettystown, which has recently had a white pickup truck with an amber lightbar and a 'beach warden' magnet stuck on the doors rolling around the place.

I dunno if it's been there for years, but I've only seen it recently (in the last 6 months). It drives up and down the beach slowly, lights usually flashing. I seen them putting cones out (and then taking them back in) one day, to direct cars onto the beach.

Other than that I've not seen them do anything at all. Seems like a handy job. I wonder would these chaps not drive around with a camera taking photos of everyone that has any kind of a mess made at all, so if that mess is left on the beach afterwards, they can associate it to a specific person/car and get a fine issued?

Or perhaps they already do that?


The 'beach warden' signs on the doors being magnets (ie; can be peeled off) leads me to believe it's not really a job and more just some poor sap was pushed into doing it on top of his/her other responsibilities, but nonetheless would like to see it used to create a deterrent.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Anyone who blames the state or council for not providing enough bins or not clearing out the bins fast enough is taking the **** and is only making up excuses for their revolting behaviour.

Japan has minimal bins and their streets are still clean.

august12 wrote: »

It all comes down to rearing in the home, it wouldn't matter a toss how many bins are available,

This.

In many Japanese schools they don't have janitors and the like. It's the duty of the pupils to clean up the school every day. This instills in them this responsibility of keeping everything clean wherever they go.

Irish parents could learn from this.

denismc

What does my head in is people who go to the trouble of putting their dogs poop in a poop bag and then just leave it sitting on the beach.
That bag of poop will sit there for months or years until some kid picks it up.

Adalyn Delightful Beaker

Adalyn Delightful Beaker wrote: »

Anyone who blames the state or council for not providing enough bins or not clearing out the bins fast enough is taking the **** and is only making up excuses for their revolting behaviour.

Japan has minimal bins and their streets are still clean.



This.

In many Japanese schools they don't have janitors and the like. It's the duty of the pupils to clean up the school every day. This instills in them this responsibility of keeping everything clean wherever they go.

Irish parents could learn from this.

Just watching the World Cup. Son turns to me and says that the Japanese fans clean up around them before they leave the stadium.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they’re being told that someone else will clear up after them and carry the cost of same.

They would almost describe it as theyre duty to create dirt for the person employed to clean up after them.
It’s part of their life of rights and entitlements that they can enjoy public facilities without having to be concerned about menial concerns like the dirt and mess they create.
Ruth Coppinger et al are telling them that they really shouldn’t have to pay to have their weekly household waste removed either, so why on earth would they think they would bring their soiled nappies home?!?

pricker

Well said. Totally agree

theyoungchap

Deleted User wrote: »

Adalyn Delightful Beaker wrote: »

Anyone who blames the state or council for not providing enough bins or not clearing out the bins fast enough is taking the **** and is only making up excuses for their revolting behaviour.

Japan has minimal bins and their streets are still clean.



This.

In many Japanese schools they don't have janitors and the like. It's the duty of the pupils to clean up the school every day. This instills in them this responsibility of keeping everything clean wherever they go.

Irish parents could learn from this.

Just watching the World Cup. Son turns to me and says that the Japanese fans clean up around them before they leave the stadium.

We had our own "clean up for the boys in green" in France a few years ago. The same people have probably since destroyed our own beaches, canals, rivers, etc

iamwhoiam

Adalyn Delightful Beaker wrote: »

Anyone who blames the state or council for not providing enough bins or not clearing out the bins fast enough is taking the **** and is only making up excuses for their revolting behaviour.

Japan has minimal bins and their streets are still clean.



This.

In many Japanese schools they don't have janitors and the like. It's the duty of the pupils to clean up the school every day. This instills in them this responsibility of keeping everything clean wherever they go.

Irish parents could learn from this.

I clean up after myself , always have done always will do . My family and friends also clean up after themselves .
And I still think more bins should be provided and emptied more often . Not everyone does as we do and brings a bag for rubbish and they just might be encouraged to put their rubbish in a bin if it was there and empty
How often do you see full bins in public places with rubbish placed beside it because it was full . Then along come the seagulls and pull it apart and spread it .
Its easy for me to take a dirty nappy home in a bag in my car boot but not as easy for someone heading home on a bus with a ****ty nappy . If there was a bin there might be a better chance of the nappy not being dumped on the beach or grass

realitykeeper

theyoungchap wrote: »

Our beaches have been left in an absolute state after the week of weather. Everything from BBQ's, bottles, cans, nappies, etc left on the beach.
Why or how did we descend into such a nation of scumbags?
The excuse "the bins were full" doesn't wash with the fact that such scumbags didn't even have the decency to leave their rubbish beside the bin.
Has it seeped into our mindset that our rubbish is somebody else's problem?
Why can't we have the decency to bring our rubbish home and dispose of it there?
The proposal of the deposit on bottles is a starting point, but it still won't get us away from the fact that people seem to think it is not their responsibility to look after their own rubbish.
I think as a nation we are fairly unique in this lack of pride in where we come from?
Killiney beach at the weekend was disgusting with dog poo on the beach and on the walkways onto the beach. Dogs are not allowed on the beach and yet it is completely ignored.
How or why did we descend into such savages with no respect for anybody else using our public amenities? Do people not think it is embarrassing that this is what we have become?

They behave this way because they don`t know any better. It was the way they were raised.

realitykeeper

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

While I agree with you I have to question where are all the bins on the beaches and how often are they emptied?

A lack of bins does NOT excuse littering sir! In a beautiful natural setting like a remote beach, I do not want to see bins anyway. The problem is ignorance.

mobby

http://www.ladbible.com/news/sport-japan-fans-stay-behind-to-tidy-stadium-after-world-cup-knock-out-20180702

Would this happen here?.... NOT a Hope.

iamwhoiam

realitykeeper wrote: »

A lack of bins does NOT excuse littering sir! In a beautiful natural setting like a remote beach, I do not want to see bins anyway. The problem is ignorance.

Lack of bins is not excusing littering . But it certainly would help in my opinion to have the bins in car parks at beaches emptied more often . It just might encourage some to put their rubbish in the bin .

Chinasea

There is an elephant in the room. There is a distinct socia economic band of people largely responsible for this litter.

Unless this is addressed, nothing will change.

One solution would be to introduce deposit refund on plastic bottles and cans.

theyoungchap

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its easy for me to take a dirty nappy home in a bag in my car boot but not as easy for someone heading home on a bus with a ****ty nappy . If there was a bin there might be a better chance of the nappy not being dumped on the beach or grass

Its just as easy for somebody heading home on a bus. Bring a plastic bag, tie it tight, voila. There would probably be a bin at the bus stop even.
Doing anything else is an excuse. I think the socio economic point is a good one - as someone said, if you have listened to Ruth Coppinger saying you should be getting you rubbish picked up for free and your rubbish is somebody else's problem it is something that just becomes part of your psyche.

listermint

Blaming poor people is idiocy I've seen just as many dirtbirds in mercedes and range rovers drag their kids up.

Bad parenting isn't reserved to 'class' structures

iamwhoiam

theyoungchap wrote: »

Its just as easy for somebody heading home on a bus. Bring a plastic bag, tie it tight, voila. There would probably be a bin at the bus stop even.
Doing anything else is an excuse. I think the socio economic point is a good one - as someone said, if you have listened to Ruth Coppinger saying you should be getting you rubbish picked up for free and your rubbish is somebody else's problem it is something that just becomes part of your psyche.

Look I am not excusing any of it , one single sweet wrapper is too much litter in my opinion . What I am saying is there are people who litter and always litter and some of them might use a bin if its there and emptied

theyoungchap

listermint wrote: »

Blaming poor people is idiocy I've seen just as many dirtbirds in mercedes and range rovers drag their kids up.

Bad parenting isn't reserved to 'class' structures

Agree, and I would say plenty of the dog sh1te on Killiney Beach is provided by a cohort of people who think it is somebody else's job to clean up after their pooch.

But I'd say they are more responsible for the dog sh1te than the rubbish.....in fairness.