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America's Child Abduction Policy

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    #122
    Rory28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So should Graham Dwyer or Joe O'Reilly be released from prison here?? As their child/ren made no decision to break the law and "is being punished by being separated from their parents." Or is it just illegal immigrants that should have liberty after breaking laws???

    We are usually of a similar mind but how can you equate murder to being an illegal immigrant?


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    #123
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,539 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Why would the US spend money on having trails for people who are not American citizens,


    Articles 5 and 7 of the Declaration of Human Rights.


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Don't be daft Last I looked at a map there is no warzone boarding the States so why seek asylum there from what ?


    War is not the only reason for seeking asylum.


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I can't see why people automatically think they should take burden ,
    This is a very very very harsh but eventually something like this was going to happen ,


    No it wasn't. They took on the burden themselves. Continuing with the previous policy would have been a lesser burden. They did this to send a message.


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Any country has a right to defend there boarders and it seem like the US was going to have to go to extreme measure to stop the steady stream which was happing,


    Nobody said they couldn't defend their borders or take people into custody. The separation of families and disgraceful treatment of children was no necessary. It is deliberate cruelty.


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Not saying it is right but there was always going to be a tipping point ,


    Seems you're trying very hard to say it's right. And I think it will be a tipping point, perhaps not how Trumptards hope though.


    Varik wrote: »
    What do you think happens here in Ireland if both parents were arrested, they're left to wonder the streets.


    Given to a relative or put in an emergency foster home.


    Varik wrote: »
    You only get a trail if you plead innocent during your arraignment, if you plead guilty you go straight to sentencing as with most of the world. Those pleading guilty are getting sentenced to time served.


    You are given the chance of bail if you plead innocent. You are also entitled to free legal representation. There really is no comparison to the Irish system in any way.
    Could you give an example of one country that give you a trail if you are caught while illegally trying to entre there country ,


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    #124
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    They shouldn't be seperated but they should be HUMANELY deported. And treated with dignity.

    These people refuse to leave without a fight.

    You are a xenophobic racist, that is all.

    Would you let people seperate you from your kids without a fight?

    If they kept families together then all of this controversy wouldn't have happened.

    You sir are a belter.


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    #125
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Nermal wrote: »
    So are the bleeding hearts in this thread proposing that we detain the parents and let the children on their merry way to roam the US?

    Or that both children and parents are waved through?

    Just so we're clear.

    If the parents entered illegally, lock them up together and give them baby supplies etc. If they have to be deported, deport them together.

    Separating them is nothing more than cruelty.


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    #126
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Rory28 wrote: »
    We are usually of a similar mind but how can you equate murder to being an illegal immigrant?
    Well Donnie seems to think they're all rapists and murderers anyway so why not?


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    #127
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    You are a xenophobic racist, that is all.

    Would you let people seperate you from your kids without a fight?

    If they kept families together then all of this controversy wouldn't have happened.

    You sir are a belter.

    I hear you're a racist now father.


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    #128
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Well luckily for them I am an amazing father who would never put them in danger so that won't be an issue.

    And I'm sure you're teaching them to hate poor people who weren't born with your white privilege. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and has opportunities fall in their lap.
    You just have to coast through life.
    The amazing fathers are not the ones who live off their position, but the ones who decide to take risks to give their kids a better future.


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    #129
    pgmcpq
    Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭pgmcpq


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Can someone explain why Obama isn't getting any grief for this? All of this has been going on for a lot longer than Trump has been in power.

    I am by no means a Trump supporter or fan or whatever but something needs to be done to prevent the insane amount of illegal immigrants getting into the US and if this prevents people attempting to gain access it will have been a success.


    This is simply wrong.


    Obama did get criticism for his ramping up of deportations. The policy of running internment for children is new. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery


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    #130
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    And I'm sure you're teaching them to hate poor people who weren't born with your white privilege. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and has opportunities fall in their lap.
    You just have to coast through life.
    The amazing fathers are not the ones who live off their position, but the ones who decide to take risks to give their kids a better future.

    You probably shouldn't claim to know a single thing about my life and "white privilege".

    And how do you think those kids feel about their "amazing" fathers right now?


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    #131
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Well luckily for them I am an amazing father who would never put them in danger so that won't be an issue.

    And I'm sure you're teaching them to hate poor people who weren't born with your white privilege. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and has opportunities fall in their lap.
    You just have to coast through life.
    The amazing fathers are not the ones who live off their position, but the ones who decide to take risks to give their kids a better future.

    Can't you see the hypocrisy there?

    Yes he's a cnut but honestly your ststement is just as racist.


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    #132
    cfuserkildare
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    mcmoustache wrote: »
    If the parents entered illegally, lock them up together and give them baby supplies etc. If they have to be deported, deport them together.

    Separating them is nothing more than cruelty.


    You are obviously missing the point here,

    The parents trying to enter the country Illegally are detained as they are deemed guilty of a criminal act, A child/minor cannot be charged with such an act due to age,
    So tell me, Is the government of the USA at fault here especially when immigrants know the risk?,
    Or the Immigrants who seem to think they have an Automatic right to enter the USA?


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    #133
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    And I'm sure you're teaching them to hate poor people who weren't born with your white privilege. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and has opportunities fall in their lap.
    You just have to coast through life.
    The amazing fathers are not the ones who live off their position, but the ones who decide to take risks to give their kids a better future.

    You probably shouldn't claim to know a single thing about my life and "white privilege".

    And how do you think those kids feel about their "amazing" fathers right now?

    The feel like they won't see them again you moron.


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    #134
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    The feel like they won't see them again you moron.

    Probably a stupid decision on their part then wasn't it? I certainly wouldn't be saying my father was amazing if he put me in that situation trying to better our lives.


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    #135
    pgmcpq
    Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭pgmcpq


    It seems that this policy has effectively at ending the modern concept of applying for asylum as was created after World War 2 in response the countries refusing refugees from the Holocaust (and yes I'm invoking Godwin's law early, knowingly and deliberately).


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    #136
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    The feel like they won't see them again you moron.

    Probably a stupid decision on their part then wasn't it? I certainly wouldn't be saying my father was amazing if he put me in that situation trying to better our lives.

    They are kids you belter. They don't have the logical capacity of a fully grown adult.

    Guessing you're all for Nigerian child soldiers as well?


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    #137
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    pgmcpq wrote: »
    It seems that this policy has effectively at ending the modern concept of applying for asylum as was created after World War 2 in response the countries refusing refugees from the Holocaust (and yes I'm invoking Godwin's law early, knowingly and deliberately).

    US seems to be going back to Isolationism


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    #138
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    They are kids you belter. They don't have the logical capacity of a fully grown adult.

    Guessing you're all for Nigerian child soldiers as well?

    OK.
    When they grow up, they won't recognise their father as "amazing" for the situation he put them in trying to better their lives?

    Is that simplified enough for you?


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    #139
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Probably a stupid decision on their part then wasn't it? I certainly wouldn't be saying my father was amazing if he put me in that situation trying to better our lives.

    You don't have to! You've had everything shoved into you front and back by dint of your birth.
    You had all the breaks and opportunities, you cannot hope to understand what desperate poverty feels like. And not just "oh dear, can't pay the rent" poor.
    You just want to stick your snout in the trough and kick it over so no one else can have some.
    And of course pass that sentiment on to your kids.
    Amazing fcuking father right there.


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    #140
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Probably a stupid decision on their part then wasn't it? I certainly wouldn't be saying my father was amazing if he put me in that situation trying to better our lives.

    You don't have to! You've had everything shoved into you front and back by dint of your birth.
    You had all the breaks and opportunities, you cannot hope to understand what desperate poverty feels like. And not just "oh dear, can't pay the rent" poor.
    You just want to stick your snout in the trough and kick it over so no one else can have some.
    And of course pass that sentiment on to your kids.
    Amazing fcuking father right there.

    Again you are being a hypocrit.


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    #141
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭Nermal


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    And I'm sure you're teaching them to hate poor people who weren't born with your white privilege.

    There are literally billions of people who would emigrate from the third world for economic reasons if they got the chance. I don't hate them, but I don't want that to happen, because it will ruin the countries of the first world. I agree, I am privileged, in that respect. I want it to stay that way.


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    #142
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭Nermal


    pgmcpq wrote: »
    It seems that this policy has effectively at ending the modern concept of applying for asylum as was created after World War 2 in response the countries refusing refugees from the Holocaust (and yes I'm invoking Godwin's law early, knowingly and deliberately).

    I wasn't aware there was a Holocaust going on in Mexico or Canada, the only two countries bordering the US. Tell me more?


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    #143
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    You don't have to! You've had everything shoved into you front and back by dint of your birth.
    You had all the breaks and opportunities, you cannot hope to understand what desperate poverty feels like. And not just "oh dear, can't pay the rent" poor.
    You just want to stick your snout in the trough and kick it over so no one else can have some.
    And of course pass that sentiment on to your kids.
    Amazing fcuking father right there.

    Aw you appear to be completely losing the run of yourself, I'd recommend taking a few deep breaths.


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    #144
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Mutant z wrote: »
    Its the adults who are to blame for putting the children in that situation of course they have no problem exploiting them for propoganda purposes in an out of context photo for the world to see which works to a tee.

    Won't be long now before we have an Aylan Kurdi type propaganda picture to row the world in behind the insidious left against the nasty people who want to keep their borders safe.


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    #145
    SVI40
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭SVI40


    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy

    This may shed some light on it.


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    #146
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Rory28 wrote: »
    We are usually of a similar mind but how can you equate murder to being an illegal immigrant?

    I'm not equating murder to being an illegal immigrant.

    I'm equating children being separated from their parents because they are in jail in the USA to children being separated from their parents because they are in jail in Ireland. The charge doesn't matter to the child.


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    #147
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Havockk wrote: »
    Occams razor.

    Turn the whole family unit back.

    It's actually amazing the lengths some will go to justify anything. How do you fight ignorance that is immune to education?

    You sure you don't mean Hanlon's razor?
    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity


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    #148
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    You are a xenophobic racist.

    Handy words to type in anger. But what do they mean?

    Trump needs to try harder at the racism thing. He has Latino employment at a record high.

    Xenophobia is irrational fear of foreigners, which is nothing to do with rational expectations that people will enter your country en masse if borders aren't managed tightly.


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    #149
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    The feel like they won't see them again you moron.

    Thats some amazing parenting there then isn't it. I bet the kids are delighted their "amazing dads" decided to "take risks".


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    #150
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Thats some amazing parenting there then isn't it. I bet the kids are delighted their "amazing dads" decided to "take risks".

    Some of these kids are being recruited by gangs in their home countries and being forced to deal drugs.


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    #151
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    The US has kidnapped more kids than Boko Haram at this point. The fact that I can mention the US in the same sentences as Boko Haram with no hyperbole, shows you how far gone the US is gone under Trump.


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