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America's Child Abduction Policy

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    #92
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Illegal immigrant.
    Using kids to try and get sympathy makes them even worse in my eyes.


    But the kids are the ones suffering most at the hands of the Us authorities. Do you think those kids should be prosecuted?


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    #93
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Taking kids from their family is fcuking wrong.
    How anyone with an IQ of above 50 cannot get this is beyond me

    The parents are involving themselves and their children in illegal activity. Should the kids be placed in adult jail?


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    #94
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    But the kids are the ones suffering most at the hands of the Us authorities. Do you think those kids should be prosecuted?

    No, i think their parents should be prosecuted even further for involving their kids in these activities.


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    #95
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    The funny thing is, when a load of immigrants arrive on our shores with kids in tow we show just what kind of pushovers we are. I'd be much more in favour of Trump style border restrictions than the ****e we have here currently.


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    #96
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bit easier when you're an island that's pretty isolated.

    Both the US and EU own many offshore islands and could apply the same policy: that illegal immigrants would be held offshore and not be allowed to enter the mainland. I suspect the number of people requiring asylum due to persecution in Mexico would magically decrease overnight.


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    #97
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    No, i think their parents should be prosecuted even further for involving their kids in these activities.


    So if the children are not criminals why are you ok witht hem being treated worse than criminals?

    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The funny thing is, when a load of immigrants arrive on our shores with kids in tow we show just what kind of pushovers we are. I'd be much more in favour of Trump style border restrictions than the ****e we have here currently.


    I have no doubt.


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    #98
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    So if the children are not criminals why are you ok witht hem being treated worse than criminals?





    I have no doubt.

    The children are involved in illegal activities. If I hand one of my kids a big bag of drugs and tell them to go and sell them to someone else, they are involved. Same thing.


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    #99
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The children are involved in illegal activities. If I hand one of my kids a big bag of drugs and tell them to go and sell them to someone else, they are involved. Same thing.


    So you would want your child punished for that?


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    #100
    Banterbus28
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    So if the children are not criminals why are you ok witht hem being treated worse than criminals?





    I have no doubt.

    The children are involved in illegal activities. If I hand one of my kids a big bag of drugs and tell them to go and sell them to someone else, they are involved. Same thing.

    That's the definition of duress you glue bag


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    #101
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The children are involved in illegal activities. If I hand one of my kids a big bag of drugs and tell them to go and sell them to someone else, they are involved. Same thing.
    F*ck me


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    #102
    weldoninhio
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    The U.S. has started enforcing a policy to remove children from the families of illegal immigrants. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has cited a passage from the Bible as his inspiration for this. A stated goal of the policy is to deter mothers from attempting to enter the country.


    Stephen Colbert give a rundown of it here.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4KaLkYxMZ8



    The only defence people have offered for such a cruel policy is "The parents shouldn't have brought them". The story gets even worse when you start to hear the individual accounts. Staff being told they can offer no comfort to the children in detention, only basic needs. Parents being tricked into handing over their child only to never see them again, children going missing from the system, lawyers trying to represent 5 year olds they know nothing about.



    To me, this sounds like something from a third world dictatorship.



    http://uk.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5?r=US&IR=T

    Unless you're a time traveller from 2014, they haven't "started".


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    #103
    mcmoustache
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Taking kids from their family is fcuking wrong.
    How anyone with an IQ of above 50 cannot get this is beyond me

    It's actually simple enough. They don't see immigrants as human. They see them as vermin.


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    #104
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    So you would want your child punished for that?

    Want. No.
    Expect. Yes.


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    #105
    Rory28
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The funny thing is, when a load of immigrants arrive on our shores with kids in tow we show just what kind of pushovers we are. I'd be much more in favour of Trump style border restrictions than the ****e we have here currently.

    you want us to start caging kids?


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    #106
    weldoninhio
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    A lot of people in America and elsewhere are defending this as a necessary step to punish those breaking the law. They say that the parents made the choice to break the law and should be punished. The problem with that is that the child who made no such decision is being punished by being separated from their parents. It's the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. Punish he child because of the actions of the parents is acceptable to some it seems.

    So should Graham Dwyer or Joe O'Reilly be released from prison here?? As their child/ren made no decision to break the law and "is being punished by being separated from their parents." Or is it just illegal immigrants that should have liberty after breaking laws???


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    #107
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    Rory28 wrote: »
    you want us to start caging kids?

    That poster is a turnip. Ignore him.


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    #108
    Banterbus28
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    Rory28 wrote: »
    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The funny thing is, when a load of immigrants arrive on our shores with kids in tow we show just what kind of pushovers we are. I'd be much more in favour of Trump style border restrictions than the ****e we have here currently.

    you want us to start caging kids?

    Nah he just doesn't like brown folk.


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    #109
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Further to that, this is simply the most ignorant and cnutish thing I have heard in my entire life.
    I hope your kids get taken one day.

    Well luckily for them I am an amazing father who would never put them in danger so that won't be an issue.


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    #110
    Banterbus28
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Further to that, this is simply the most ignorant and cnutish thing I have heard in my entire life.
    I hope your kids get taken one day.

    Well luckily for them I am an amazing father so that won't be an issue.

    Who told you this?

    All dad's received cards on Sunday you aren't special.


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    #111
    weldoninhio
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    wexie wrote: »
    really? :confused:

    What do you think would happen to you if you commit a crime on US soil? Do you actually think they'd go 'oh...he's not one of ours, we'll just let it go this time and turf him out'?

    They have trials for people who aren't US citizens all the time....I'll guarantee you anything there are non US citizens on trial in the US right this very minute (actually it's probably a bit early over there still).

    The idea they wouldn't have trials for people that aren't citizens is utterly moronic.

    (aside from the whole issue of whether or not these refugees should be going on trial of course)

    What happens in any county you are arrested in that you are a flight risk?? You are remanded in custody, just like the illegals in this story.


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    #112
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    Who told you this?

    All dad's received cards on Sunday you aren't special.

    Did you not see the thread here? Not all dads did.


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    #113
    Dyr
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bit easier when you're an island that's pretty isolated.

    The US originally used Guantanamo bay for holding immigrants. Ellis Island before that I guess.


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    #114
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    Who told you this?

    All dad's received cards on Sunday you aren't special.

    Did you not see the thread here? Not all dads did.

    Back to your cave big man, try not to eat any of your offspring.


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    #115
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5?r=US&IR=T

    Unless you're a time traveller from 2014, they haven't "started".
    Those kids had crossed the border alone, not with their parents (and it's inexcusable that they were put in cages aswell) so yes the Trump admin were the ones to "start" this.


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    #116
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So should Graham Dwyer or Joe O'Reilly be released from prison here?? As their child/ren made no decision to break the law and "is being punished by being separated from their parents." Or is it just illegal immigrants that should have liberty after breaking laws???
    Once again, f*ck me


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    #117
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭Nermal


    So are the bleeding hearts in this thread proposing that we detain the parents and let the children on their merry way to roam the US?

    Or that both children and parents are waved through?

    Just so we're clear.


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    #118
    Banterbus28
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    Nermal wrote: »
    So are the bleeding hearts in this thread proposing that we detain the parents and let the children on their merry way to roam the US?

    Or that both children and parents are waved through?

    Just so we're clear.

    They shouldn't be seperated but they should be HUMANELY deported. And treated with dignity.


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    #119
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    They shouldn't be seperated but they should be HUMANELY deported. And treated with dignity.

    These people refuse to leave without a fight.


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    #120
    Havockk
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    Nermal wrote: »
    So are the bleeding hearts in this thread proposing that we detain the parents and let the children on their merry way to roam the US?

    Or that both children and parents are waved through?

    Just so we're clear.

    Occams razor.

    Turn the whole family unit back.

    It's actually amazing the lengths some will go to justify anything. How do you fight ignorance that is immune to education?


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    #121
    [Deleted User]
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    Nermal wrote: »
    Both the US and EU own many offshore islands and could apply the same policy: that illegal immigrants would be held offshore and not be allowed to enter the mainland. I suspect the number of people requiring asylum due to persecution in Mexico would magically decrease overnight.

    Doubt it. People will continue to come because there's nowhere else to go. They want the illusion of living in a first world nation, and all the benefits that go with it.


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