Dublin city marathon 28/10/2018

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Dublin marathon is on Sunday 28th of October.
Start times last year were
08:55 : Wheelchair entrants
09:00 : 1st wave
09:15 : 2nd wave
09:30 : 3rd wave
09:45 : Final wave
(may be more waves this year?)

Race numbers and race packs must be collected from the Expo in the RDS on Friday (12-7) or Saturday (10-7) before the race. Race numbers are not posted out.

There is a secure bag drop at the start/finish area of the race. Your race pack includes a clear plastic bag and a sticker with your race number. You must use this bag to store your belongings. There are no showers or changing areas at the finish line.

Water is supplied at 10 stations on the route, in small (250ml) bottles. Three stations also give out Lucozade, and two also give out gels. There are toilets at each water station.

Entries are not refundable, and not transferable. Boards does not allow people to ask for or offer numbers. Here are lists of other autumn marathons in Ireland and abroad.

aquinn

*Sunday 28th October.

ariana`

Thanks for all the info Ray.

I will admit i got a few butterflies seeing this thread started up

Trampas

Anyone got the latest update for the weather for the day

Kurt.Godel

Will there be pacers? Good-looking pacers? I'm not running it without good-looking pacers.

Ultraman100

Kurt.Godel wrote: »

Will there be pacers? Good-looking pacers? I'm not running it without good-looking pacers.

few more burds this year i think..
#genderquotas
#equalityandthatstuff

Kellygirl

Excited to see this!

Testosterscone

"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;"

nowaynever

yiiiippppeeeee!!!!

RayCun

Less than 12 weeks to go...

healy1835

Found myself watching this the other night.

https://youtu.be/qHzvv2pmQGE

Couple of decent videos on the YouTube channel, doesn't seem to get a lot of traffic. Would get you in the humour.....

Derco

Hope the training is going well for everyone. So far so good with me

davedanon

Ultraman100 wrote: »

few more burds this year i think..
#genderquotas
#equalityandthatstuff

Don't forget the subs bench.

Hobbyjogger

Anybody know if it’s possible to move up a wave? FAQs say it’s possible to drop down alright but see nothing about moving up

muloc

RayCun wrote: »

Water is supplied at 10 stations on the route, in small (250ml) bottles. Three stations also give out Lucozade, and two also give out gels. There are toilets at each water station.

I see on route map it says high 5 gel - any idea what flavour?

RayCun

muloc wrote: »

I see on route map it says high 5 gel - any idea what flavour?

I think they give out orange flavour, maybe another flavour too?

But if you're relying on the gel stations for gels you'll have to take what you're given!

healy1835

muloc wrote: »

I see on route map it says high 5 gel - any idea what flavour?

Not sure re. flavour but they have the Isogel and regular gels I think?

Kellygirl

RayCun wrote: »

I think they give out orange flavour, maybe another flavour too?

But if you're relying on the gel stations for gels you'll have to take what you're given!

Almost sure they are orange too.

RedRunner

RayCun wrote: »

I think they give out orange flavour, maybe another flavour too?

But if you're relying on the gel stations for gels you'll have to take what you're given!

I'd go even further and say dont rely on the gel stations at all. From experience they can be easily missed. Carry what gels you need or have trusted supporters hold onto some at agree spots on course. If you need more and come across the gel station then that'd be a bonus. Could be a psychological as well as physical blow if you rely on the station and miss it.

Kellygirl

RedRunner wrote: »

I'd go even further and say dont rely on the gel stations at all. From experience they can be easily missed. Carry what gels you need or have trusted supporters hold onto some at agree spots on course. If you need more and come across the gel station then that'd be a bonus. Could be a psychological as well as physical blow if you rely on the station and miss it.

That’s a very good point. I missed the first station last year. It didn’t matter as I had enough but I did plan on taking one from them there in case I dropped one or something like that. I was through the station before I realized and I wasn’t going back! I had researched where they were and still missed it somehow!

SeeMoreBut

RedRunner wrote: »

I'd go even further and say dont rely on the gel stations at all. From experience they can be easily missed. Carry what gels you need or have trusted supporters hold onto some at agree spots on course. If you need more and come across the gel station then that'd be a bonus. Could be a psychological as well as physical blow if you rely on the station and miss it.

I remember or lack of remembering run by them once. Lucky I didn't rely on them but it can easily happen. You are focused on running and you just run by them without knowing.

They are usually around a water station so more caught up getting some liquids than looking for a gel.

Flavours is usually a lucky dip

positron

RedRunner wrote: »

I'd go even further and say dont rely on the gel stations at all. From experience they can be easily missed. Carry what gels you need or have trusted supporters hold onto some at agree spots on course. If you need more and come across the gel station then that'd be a bonus. Could be a psychological as well as physical blow if you rely on the station and miss it.

You will know immediately know if you miss a gel station - your shoes start sticking to the road.

ariana`

positron wrote: »

You will know immediately know if you miss a gel station - your shoes start sticking to the road.

This is all i remember from last year... i don't remember seeing a single solitary gel station the whole way around but i do remember the sticky road

Pink11

My third DCM can't wait. I am haunted by narrowly missing a sub 4 time in 2015. Does anyone recommend a particular training plan to help me? I think I've spent too much time reading online and just don't know if I'm doing it right.

Willing to put in maximum time and effort. Advice on pacing on training runs would be much appreciated!

OOnegative

Pink11 wrote: »

My third DCM can't wait. I am haunted by narrowly missing a sub 4 time in 2015. Does anyone recommend a particular training plan to help me? I think I've spent too much time reading online and just don't know if I'm doing it right.

Willing to put in maximum time and effort. Advice on pacing on training runs would be much appreciated!

It’s 10.5 weeks to DCM and you haven’t picked a plan?

RayCun

Pink11 wrote: »

My third DCM can't wait. I am haunted by narrowly missing a sub 4 time in 2015. Does anyone recommend a particular training plan to help me? I think I've spent too much time reading online and just don't know if I'm doing it right.

what are you doing at the moment?

Pink11

RayCun wrote: »

what are you doing at the moment?

I'm currently doing: https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/marathon-training/intermediate-1-marathon/

Would you recommend I stick or change to anything you found that worked well for you?

RayCun

Pink11 wrote: »

I'm currently doing: https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/marathon-training/intermediate-1-marathon/

Would you recommend I stick or change to anything you found that worked well for you?

Is there any particular reason you are thinking of changing plans?

Pink11

RayCun wrote: »

Is there any particular reason you are thinking of changing plans?

Just wondering should I be adding in more to up my stamina? Speed runs? Up my pacing/tempo. Perhaps that plan isn't sufficient to comfortably hit 3.55-3.59.

It’s 10.5 weeks to DCM and you haven’t picked a plan?

haha I'm not THAT confident Been following the plan above religiously so far.

RayCun

Pink11 wrote: »

Just wondering should I be adding in more to up my stamina? Speed runs? Up my pacing/tempo. Perhaps that plan isn't sufficient to comfortably hit 3.55-3.59.

There's no reason why you shouldn't run under 4 hours following that plan. It has enough miles, it has some pace work - it's basic but has the essentials.

It might not be the best plan for you to follow, but that really depends on what you were doing before you started following it. The best plan is one that addresses your weaknesses and provides some stimulus without overstretching you.

But even if it isn't the best plan, if it covers the main points in a structured way and gets you to the start line in good condition, then it's fine.

ariana`

Pink11 wrote: »

My third DCM can't wait. I am haunted by narrowly missing a sub 4 time in 2015. Does anyone recommend a particular training plan to help me? I think I've spent too much time reading online and just don't know if I'm doing it right.

Willing to put in maximum time and effort. Advice on pacing on training runs would be much appreciated!

There's a sub 4 thread that might interest you.

Pink11

Thanks for the link to that thread, going to read through it!

RayCun wrote: »

There's no reason why you shouldn't run under 4 hours following that plan. It has enough miles, it has some pace work - it's basic but has the essentials.

It might not be the best plan for you to follow, but that really depends on what you were doing before you started following it. The best plan is one that addresses your weaknesses and provides some stimulus without overstretching you.

But even if it isn't the best plan, if it covers the main points in a structured way and gets you to the start line in good condition, then it's fine.

Thanks, I know it's difficult to answer when you don't know me/background etc. I understand what you're saying and I'm glad to see mileage wise at least what I've been doing to date has been sufficient. In January I started pilates, flexibility & strength classes (1 hour sessions x 5 times a week) which I didn't have in my last 2 DCM attempts and I've seen huge improvements in my running & general movement.

muloc

RedRunner wrote: »

I'd go even further and say dont rely on the gel stations at all. From experience they can be easily missed. Carry what gels you need or have trusted supporters hold onto some at agree spots on course. If you need more and come across the gel station then that'd be a bonus. Could be a psychological as well as physical blow if you rely on the station and miss it.

sound...was planning bringing me own....just wanted to make sure they were the same type/flavour in case I needed a few along the route

karenlynn0000

I dont suppose anyone out there has any advice or is dealing with Patella tendonitis?? In the midst of training and being knocked back constantly with this injury. Training for my first marathon in Dublin this October.

aquinn

karenlynn0000 wrote: »

I dont suppose anyone out there has any advice or is dealing with Patella tendonitis?? In the midst of training and being knocked back constantly with this injury. Training for my first marathon in Dublin this October.

I would imagine the only advice available would be to go and see someone over this. See if you are doing more damage by running and not trying to fix the problem. See if exercies will help and be advised wheter it is a good idea to run it or not.

Jeffy17

Best thing is to get it checked and you'll be told to rest as further running will definitely rule you out of DCM, at least at this stage you've time to rest and get back into training.

karenlynn0000

Jeffy17 wrote: »

Best thing is to get it checked and you'll be told to rest as further running will definitely rule you out of DCM, at least at this stage you've time to rest and get back into training.

Thanks guys. I’ve actially been to see both a sports therapist and a physical therapist. Both have said to continue running and works on strengthening while slowly increasing load. The thing is that I’m getting pain much earlier on my long runs. So they’re theory isn’t really holding up for me. I expected last Time I took time off and went back slowly that I would have been able to go a little further or at least get to he same point but I managed only 12k. I’m just not sure what to do. Taking a couple of weeks off will see me start the marathon unprepared

RedRunner

karenlynn0000 wrote: »

Thanks guys. I’ve actially been to see both a sports therapist and a physical therapist. Both have said to continue running and works on strengthening while slowly increasing load. The thing is that I’m getting pain much earlier on my long runs. So they’re theory isn’t really holding up for me. I expected last Time I took time off and went back slowly that I would have been able to go a little further or at least get to he same point but I managed only 12k. I’m just not sure what to do. Taking a couple of weeks off will see me start the marathon unprepared

I feel for you as I've been here lots of times. The harsh reality is that if you are in pain when running, stop running! I have to assume you are following the instructions of the expert advice to the letter but they cant always be exactly right,in terms of recovery timelines. It's not an exact science and everyone is different in terms of healing. Sounds like you need more time and you are running out of that for DCM. Time for some soul searching and longer term thinking perhaps. I've missed 4 DCMs in last 5 years due to injury , one of which was due to similar injury to yours so unfortunately I know your situation only too well.

Maybe revisit the PT and explain your current situation and they might advise a different approach. Good luck in any case. Hopefully it sorts itself out.

Prospector1989

Hey guys.
So I'm taking part in the marathon for the first time this year. I had taken up running toward the end of 2017 however had to have a minor operation which put my training on hold for a couple of months. I'm back training now and am comfortable covering 5k in ~25mins.

I know I won't be running the full marathon but I'm wondering is there any approach to the marathon people would recommend? Would doing the event in walk/run intervals be recommended? (Do people do this?)

And given my current level would there be a recommended training plan between now and the marathon? Currently I'm doing 5k 3/4 times a week. My plan would be (to try anyway) to increase this even a small bit ahead of the marathon.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
P

RayCun

Prospector1989 wrote: »

I know I won't be running the full marathon but I'm wondering is there any approach to the marathon people would recommend?
...
Currently I'm doing 5k 3/4 times a week.

Honestly, you are nowhere near prepared for the marathon, and that isn't going to change much in the time remaining.

Why not do it next year instead?

EC1000

Prospector1989 wrote: »

Hey guys.
And given my current level would there be a recommended training plan between now and the marathon?

If you google marathon training plans there are literally hundreds out there for every level of runner.

Prospector1989 wrote: »

Currently I'm doing 5k 3/4 times a week. My plan would be (to try anyway) to increase this even a small bit ahead of the marathon.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that level of training will not prepare you for 5k running, let alone a marathon. You will no doubt get around on the day but if you are not prepared for long distance running you will increase your risk of injury. Try adding a long run into your week and increase it by a mile or two week on week.

Prospector1989

Cheers guys. Don't get me wrong I know I'm way off being able to run a marathon.

Had signed up in March when my training was going quite well however but I obviously wasn't to know I would be requiring surgery at the time which has set me way back. Basically wondering if I should still aim to take part in this at all.

average_runner

Prospector1989 wrote: »

Cheers guys. Don't get me wrong I know I'm way off being able to run a marathon.

Had signed up in March when my training was going quite well however but I obviously wasn't to know I would be requiring surgery at the time which has set me way back. Basically wondering if I should still aim to take part in this at all.

Walk away from it now and focus on your 5k and 10k work. Come back at it again next year when ready and you will have a great experience on the day

RayCun

Prospector1989 wrote: »

Had signed up in March when my training was going quite well however but I obviously wasn't to know I would be requiring surgery at the time which has set me way back. Basically wondering if I should still aim to take part in this at all.

The way I see it, if you do the marathon next year you can plan to run it, in 4 hours more or less
(I don't know what you were running before surgery, or how soon you'll be fully recovered)

If you do it this year, you're looking at 6 hours or so, with lots of walking.

So why do it this year?

Prospector1989

Cheers average_runner

RayCun wrote: »

The way I see it, if you do the marathon next year you can plan to run it, in 4 hours more or less
(I don't know what you were running before surgery, or how soon you'll be fully recovered)

If you do it this year, you're looking at 6 hours or so, with lots of walking.

So why do it this year?

As far as the recovery goes, I'm fully recovered. The surgery wasn't on anything that would be impacted by running. It was just the time off following it that killed my stamina.

I suppose my reasoning for doing it this year is that I was really enjoying my training and looking forward to it before the op. Even loving the short distance running I've gotten back to since.

Cheers for the advice though. I'll continue with the short distance training and trying to build the distance back up for now anyway.

duffer247

Pink11 wrote: »

My third DCM can't wait. I am haunted by narrowly missing a sub 4 time in 2015. Does anyone recommend a particular training plan to help me? I think I've spent too much time reading online and just don't know if I'm doing it right.

Willing to put in maximum time and effort. Advice on pacing on training runs would be much appreciated!

Hi Pink
I think we were in the Novices thread in 2015!? I am making my first step back into marathons so DCM 2018 will be my 2nd, hoping on sub4 too. Miss having the novices thread to support me along the way.

Best of luck with the training and DCM:)

ewc78

duffer247 wrote: »

Hi Pink
I think we were in the Novices thread in 2015!? I am making my first step back into marathons so DCM 2018 will be my 2nd, hoping on sub4 too. Miss having the novices thread to support me along the way.

Best of luck with the training and DCM:)

You can always join the sub 4 support thread
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057865918/1

happyfriday74

guys,

last time I did a marathon I used to gobble up a powerbar carb energy bar before a lsr. However trying to find them now and they are like hens teeth.

The only bars I can find are protein bars, nothing seems to be carb based at all, which I dont think will be fit for purpose.

Any ideas on a substitute- doing a 20 plus miler in the morning!

Sheep1978

duffer247 wrote: »

Hi Pink
I think we were in the Novices thread in 2015!? I am making my first step back into marathons so DCM 2018 will be my 2nd, hoping on sub4 too. Miss having the novices thread to support me along the way.

Best of luck with the training and DCM:)

why not join in with this years novices thread.?

Peterx

happyfriday74 wrote: »

guys,

last time I did a marathon I used to gobble up a powerbar carb energy bar before a lsr. However trying to find them now and they are like hens teeth.

The only bars I can find are protein bars, nothing seems to be carb based at all, which I dont think will be fit for purpose.

Any ideas on a substitute- doing a 20 plus miler in the morning!

Big bowl of porridge (assuming you like porridge that is)

Jeffy17

happyfriday74 wrote: »

guys,

last time I did a marathon I used to gobble up a powerbar carb energy bar before a lsr. However trying to find them now and they are like hens teeth.

The only bars I can find are protein bars, nothing seems to be carb based at all, which I dont think will be fit for purpose.

Any ideas on a substitute- doing a 20 plus miler in the morning!

https://www.halfords.ie/cycling/training/sports-cycling-nutrition/high5-cycle-pack