Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

hardybuck

Also, for those knocking St Saviours there recently, Templenoe just beat the Cork champions Eire Og by 8 points, who had guys who won All Irelands like Daniel Goulding and Ciarian Sheehan.

emergingstar

hardybuck wrote: »

What's been outlined about that Junior Championship reinforces the terrible plight of the club player, but the clubs, players and Board all share blame here.

The Board simply must do a better job of the fixtures. Run it off in the spring, summer or any suitable period of consecutive weeks that's agreeable. It isn't confined to Junior C, most of the Junior A guys would have got 3-5 games this year. Intermediate you'd get 5-6 games.

You aren't really playing a sport if you only play 5 or so games a year. If you smoked a cigarette 5 times in a year you wouldn't call yourself a smoker. In other counties they play a game at least every two weeks for most of the year - and that's what we should be striving for.

The clubs and the players shouldn't be giving walkovers. They should also be demanding better competitions and presenting constructive suggestions to help bring motions and improve competition structures.

However, it's obviously a Catch 22 to some degree. Most of these lads will probably be looking to other sports for regular exercise - probably soccer where they'll get a regular game in a defined season.

Most other counties have decent leagues run from May until August

hardybuck

emergingstar wrote: »

Most other counties have decent leagues run from May until August

Or indeed from March until October.

emergingstar

hardybuck wrote: »

Or indeed from March until October.

Is there any word on playong structures next year will they be revamped

mountgomery burns

hardybuck wrote: »

Also, for those knocking St Saviours there recently, Templenoe just beat the Cork champions Eire Og by 8 points, who had guys who won All Irelands like Daniel Goulding and Ciarian Sheehan.

Were people knocking St Saviours?

Also on a separate point, the fact that you need 15 players to field a GAA team as opposed to 11 to field a soccer team seems to be overlooked everyone walkovers are brought up.

HelloHello1234

I was only asking for everyones favourite game of the year. yikess

I personally think junior C was put on the back burner because unlike the rest of them there is no county final.

St pauls hurling to preference and they have a fair few that would play both codes. couple that with butlerstown intermidiate hurling. saviours intermidiate football run and portlaw not playing senior football relegation until last month. The semi finals of the c were fixed originally for 2 weeks ao but were call off due to pitches being unplayable.

It is a joke to be still playing but if you scheduled the games on the same weekends as the teams played hurling or higher level football you would have more walkovers due to fellas not wanting to play football

thesaturdayman

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Were people knocking St Saviours?

Also on a separate point, the fact that you need 15 players to field a GAA team as opposed to 11 to field a soccer team seems to be overlooked everyone walkovers are brought up.

Alright Monty - put it this way to you, maybe 13 a side games as happens at juvenile level.

Or actually fix the things with a bit of foresight or planning?

emergingstar

i think 13 a side should be an option at all grades from C level and below

hardybuck

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Were people knocking St Saviours?

Also on a separate point, the fact that you need 15 players to field a GAA team as opposed to 11 to field a soccer team seems to be overlooked everyone walkovers are brought up.

They were, I think the posts may have been deleted.

15 a side definitely an impact. I think I and others have suggested that 13 a side and 7 a side competitions should be explored.

However, you'll find that a lot of those clubs have probably lost huge numbers of guys who've either not played beyond minor or played very little beyond minor. It's difficult to expect a guy to sign up and pay membership fees of a couple of hundred quid for maybe 3-5 games spread over 6-8 months.

Someone mentioned to me that Mount Sion didn't field a football team in 2019 for example. A big club like that should be well capable of fielding two teams, it's only a couple of years ago since they were playing in junior finals.

hardybuck

HelloHello1234 wrote: »

It is a joke to be still playing but if you scheduled the games on the same weekends as the teams played hurling or higher level football you would have more walkovers due to fellas not wanting to play football

In Dublin they just rotate between football and hurling weeks/weekends. Most clubs will have multiple teams togging those weekends, some of the bigger clubs could have 5-6 teams out from senior down to junior sides.

What normally happens is the games in the higher leagues are on first. Lads who don't get a run in those senior games might drop down a level and tog out with the inters or juniors and it keeps cascading down.

Right down in the bottom leagues (they have over 10 divisions) they might bring up minors if they're stuck - but that normally doesn't happen too often.

If you have more games you have a pathway to keep more young lads involved.

HelloHello1234

hardybuck wrote: »

In Dublin they just rotate between football and hurling weeks/weekends. Most clubs will have multiple teams togging those weekends, some of the bigger clubs could have 5-6 teams out from senior down to junior sides.

What normally happens is the games in the higher leagues are on first. Lads who don't get a run in those senior games might drop down a level and tog out with the inters or juniors and it keeps cascading down.

Right down in the bottom leagues (they have over 10 divisions) they might bring up minors if they're stuck - but that normally doesn't happen too often.

If you have more games you have a pathway to keep more young lads involved.

Dublin probably have more people playing than what live in waterford. its a sorry thing for the like of some players that want to keep playing but unfortunatly are not good enough for the main team and can bearly field a second team.

hardybuck

HelloHello1234 wrote: »

Dublin probably have more people playing than what live in waterford. its a sorry thing for the like of some players that want to keep playing but unfortunatly are not good enough for the main team and can bearly field a second team.

But what's been described here is that some competitions are being held up by fixtures in other competitions. The junior football competition shouldn't be held up by what's going on in the intermediate hurling championship for example.

The fundamental problem here is that the rate of attrition is way too high. One of the reasons it's so high is the rubbish competition structure. If you want to play sport regularly as an adult you shouldn't play GAA in Waterford because we don't really offer that option for a lot of guys. Play soccer, golf, rugby, tennis - you'll get to play regularly in those sports.

wadefuq

In Dublin leagues are also 13 a side.. Most games end up 15 on 15 but the option is there if a team is struggling for numbers.. Waterford need to put more interest/emphasis on leagues so the club player gets more games

hardybuck

wadefuq wrote: »

In Dublin leagues are also 13 a side.. Most games end up 15 on 15 but the option is there if a team is struggling for numbers.. Waterford need to put more interest/emphasis on leagues so the club player gets more games

They're 15 a side? Perhaps some of the games in lower leagues start with 13?

wadefuq

Your correct.. I've only played up to Adult league 5 .. Could be used at all leagues in waterford to give players more games

From Dub CCC... 57. All leagues shall be 15 aside. If a team is unable to field 15 players, 13 or 14 a side may be
played, with both teams playing the same number of players (13v.13 or 14v.14) in the following
leagues: AHL5 or lower, MHL3 or lower, or in any adult hurling cup competition. Where a game goes
ahead with either 13 or 14 a side, up to 20 players may be used by the team with the greater number of
players present.

mountgomery burns

That's leagues though...the competition's mentioned were championship. Junior C could be 13 a side, intermediate can't be 13 a side.

The leagues do need to be revamped as plenty have mentioned here with some good proposals. I do think pointing the finger at the CB alone for walkovers is lazy. Hardybuck is right, clubs need to take responsibility as well.

Deisefacts

mountgomery burns wrote: »

That's leagues though...the competition's mentioned were championship. Junior C could be 13 a side, intermediate can't be 13 a side.

The leagues do need to be revamped as plenty have mentioned here with some good proposals. I do think pointing the finger at the CB alone for walkovers is lazy. Hardybuck is right, clubs need to take responsibility as well.

Anybody read Phil fanning column today? We are the only county in Ireland that went to u-19 and the competition won’t be finished till x-mas week by what Phil reckoning. This despite there being walkovers nearly every week since it started in August. Ring will play their first game in this year’s championship this weekend ( it’s the “B” final). The excuse that was used down through the years regarding the u-21 championship being on at this time of year was because adult teams were playing during the summer and most young lads were gone off on J1s. Well that excuse can’t be used this year. We were the first county out of the all Ireland series, hurling and football, no excuse for championships not to be finished. All championships in Waterford should’ve been done and dusted by the end of October at the latest. We’ve a county with one of the smallest amount of clubs in the country and still they can’t sort a proper championship and league structures

Ps u-19s can’t go to America on J1s

mountgomery burns

So is the Waterford GAA website saying An Gaeltacht and St Oliver's playing their first round games on August 5th just a lie? Did they make up those scorelines?

Looks as though the teams in the A haven't played a game yet judging by the website. Things like Touraneena in the Munster semi, Ballinacourty making the football final, Ballysaggart in a Munster final would still be holding up these championships.

It's a particularly problem age group as you have lads involved with adult teams (sometimes two adult teams in the one club), minor teams (football and hurling), county teams (4 weekends minimum for the minor hurlers for example), leaving cert etc and you've to run the football competition as well. Games would be mostly confined to weekends as fellas are away in college and plenty won't have cars.

Interesting development today, fixture scheduling as I said before is a national problem not just a Waterford one

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1119/1093894-gaa-surprised-and-disappointed-at-cpa-fixture-walkout/

tommylad1212

thesaturdayman wrote: »

intermediate in the east is still on going.

Saviours playing Mollerans this weekend to decide who goes down junior hurling.

http://www.waterfordgaa.ie/competitionFixturesResults/142905/east_i_h_c_k_o

Also this weekend St Pauls are in divisional junior football final.

where they play Butlerstown.

This is some crack this championship.

St Pauls got a walkover in the semi final from Portlaw.

Portlaw gave a walkover themselves against St Pauls in August, and played their last game in July.

Portlaws quarter final game 2 months ago where they got a walkover from kill.

St Pauls have had a tough road to this final, they two games in a week in May.

Then got two walkovers, one in July, one in August, a bye into the semi final where they also got a walkover.

The last competitive football match they played was the 5th of July.

What a time to be alive.

fact checks available at http://www.waterfordgaa.ie/league/137232/east_j_f_c_c

Why are st Paul's and butlerstown in junior c football? Should they not be in with dunhill ,ferrybank, ballyduff etc , leave the junior C to second string team's

thesaturdayman

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Why are st Paul's and butlerstown in junior c football? Should they not be in with dunhill ,ferrybank, ballyduff etc , leave the junior C to second string team's

second teams like who?

tramore kill saviours second teams are in the championship

tommylad1212

thesaturdayman wrote: »

second teams like who?

tramore kill saviours second teams are in the championship

Yes I know but st Paul's and butlerstown are not second string

hardybuck

For those who are interested:

- A Waterford man, Joe Baldwin, has been appointed as the new Fermanagh hurling manager today. We seem to have had a lot of Waterford coaches involved in smaller counties in recent years, with guys involved in Carlow, Westmeath, Meath and Cavan also.

- The Munster club football final, between Nemo and Clonmel Commercials, takes place in Dungarvan on Sunday Dec 1st.

PTH2009

Will this weekends games actually go ahead with the weather

upthedeise16

The senior hurlers had a run out against WIT the other night, falling to defeat with an experimental side

PTH2009

upthedeise16 wrote: »

The senior hurlers had a run out against WIT the other night, falling to defeat with an experimental side

Cahill out

Anyone know the Waterford team ?

thesultan

PTH2009 wrote: »

Cahill out

Anyone know the Waterford team ?

Yeah anyone know the team?

hardybuck

It was interesting to hear Padraic Joyce, the new Galway manager, on the radio the other night talking about all the overtraining that's going on within intercounty setups.

From what he was saying he expects to hold no more than 2-3 pitch sessions a week, and definitely 2 if they had a game that weekend. Obviously lads will have their bit of gym and stretching going on in between sessions, but he made a point of questioning the benefits of some counties training twice a day and the benefits it brings.

The FBD league in January will be the first proper game they'll have and it seemed like from there that their hard work will start.

Hopefully the new Waterford manager, and whoever is in the squad, will have the collective sense to avoid training on Christmas Day this year.

PTH2009

A heavy pitch wont suite Ballygunner Sunday

IanVW

PTH2009 wrote: »

A heavy pitch wont suite Ballygunner Sunday

Why

PTH2009

IanVW wrote: »

Why

Thinking back to the AI semi against Ballyhale they struggled to get grips to the bad pitch

Really hope they win Sunday and get another shot at getting to a AI final