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914

_blaaz wrote: »

Heard in work today,by someone close enough to the panel


Fanning was locked out of dressing room after last game

That has happening with county teams in the past. Its normally a case of players taking responsibility for themselves, wouldn't worry to much about a manager not being in a dressing room for a period of time while players take account of themselves.

I also heard the panel had a bbq and drinks at Fannings house by someone involved in the panel.

Is that true, no I just made it up, everything is a rumour. Take everything with a pinch of salt

ForestFire

914 wrote: »

I also heard the panel had a bbq and drinks at Fannings house by someone involved in the panel.

Is that true, no I just made it up, everything is a rumour. Take everything with a pinch of salt

I'm sorry you wrong.... the bbq did take place. I'm close friends with butchers brother that supplied all the meat himself personnely to fanning's house.

He even told me about how spacious his back garden was, set-up with a larger bouncy castle with plastic hurls for entertainment and team building.

Deisegodeo

S O'Keeffe
C Lyons
C Prunty
N Connors
D Fives
T DeBurca
K Moran
J Barron
J Prendergast
P Mahony
A Gleeson
MShanahan
M Kearney
StBennett
T Ryan

Stopitwillya

So much for brick starting. Would have him in ahead of Kearney. Decent enough team anyway. Half back line looks strong but darragh fives may struggle with the pace of things having been out for so long. Glad to see Maurice start.

enoughtaken

Lads. Nothing against Kearney. First match against Clare played full game and not taken off. We used all our subs. Second game against Tipp didn’t come on as a sub. We used all our subs Now starting third game. Strange. As I said nothing against the chap but it dose seem strange.

Fred C Dobbs

enoughtaken wrote: »

Lads. Nothing against Kearney. First match against Clare played full game and not taken off. We used all our subs. Second game against Tipp didn’t come on as a sub. We used all our subs Now starting third game. Strange. As I said nothing against the chap but it dose seem strange.

Strange indeed.

Delighted to see Daragh Fives starting ; only hope he’s fighting fit. Likewise, very happy that Tommy Ryan starts (our best player against Tipp). Normally would be optimistic with the named team but still not over the meltdown of the last day.

Mastermcgrath

enoughtaken wrote: »

Lads. Nothing against Kearney. First match against Clare played full game and not taken off. We used all our subs. Second game against Tipp didn’t come on as a sub. We used all our subs Now starting third game. Strange. As I said nothing against the chap but it dose seem strange.

I personally would have him in there, I actually think it was the wrong call to keep him out the last day. He be brings a lot of energy to the table and hes a disrupter. He’s very aggressive, particularly contesting breaking balls and that half forward line with Gleeson and Shanahsn is going to generate a lot of breaks to contest. having him in on top of those straight away gives the likes of Mahoney and Bennett the chance to peel away for a pass. He’s not there to be the flashy corner forward to take scores from all angles he’s there to disrupt

Jerry Atrick

KevIRL wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/derek-mcgrath1/brick-walshs-character-and-presence-will-be-infectious-927902.html

D McGrath piece in examiner today

I feel sick...

Mastermcgrath

To hear that tickets have been returned and that Limerick might even outnumber us is downright embarrassing and must be demoralising for the players. It seems like it’s not cool to support Waterford anymore, unless of course they get to Croke Park.

I live overseas myself with a number of years now but grew up going to watch the team of the late 90s, through the noughties and there was a sense among supporters that they were proud to put on their county colours. I don’t get that sense anymore, even on this board it’s all negativity about Derek McGrath now Fanning. People slaying players, county board, nepotism, lack of a decent stadium, it seems people will use any excuse not to support the team.

The reality is after too many defeats the fair weather fans will stay away

BloodyBill

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

I feel sick...

McGrath is a class A eejit. His sycophantic ramblings are nauseating and are doing the greater Waterford cause a disservice. If I was Fanning I'd have a word with those surrounding McGrath and ask them to tell him hes not the manager anymore.
Waterford have a great chance on Sunday. Limerick might be abit sharkey and the newcomers may need time to settle. However if they click and get into a rhythm then they ll over power any team so Waterford need to start like a train.

_blaaz

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

To hear that tickets have been returned and that Limerick might even outnumber us is downright embarrassing and must be demoralising for the players. It seems like it’s not cool to support Waterford anymore, unless of course they get to Croke Park.

I live overseas myself with a number of years now but grew up going to watch the team of the late 90s, through the noughties and there was a sense among supporters that they were proud to put on their county colours. I don’t get that sense anymore, even on this board it’s all negativity about Derek McGrath now Fanning. People slaying players, county board, nepotism, lack of a decent stadium, it seems people will use any excuse not to support the team.

The reality is after too many defeats the fair weather fans will stay away

Some of absolute dross served up.under mcgrath and fitz has caused kind of a rot to set in



I remeber being at a semi final in 1.of mcgraths first years....10 min to go,4 points down and refused to try and go.for juggler....kept men behind the ball

Alot of time under davy fitz was like an.abortion of a game crossed between rugby and hurling.....gave 6 or 7 years seeing stevie molumpy taking ball into.contact and off loading it via handpass


Going.to.games was like a chore and enjoyment gone from going to.them.tbh....slogging matches intersected with odd hammering......

At least under fanning theres abit of entertainment again.....but hes out of his depth as regards preparations....they were dead on their feet with 20 mins to go vs tipp (and mile off pace v clare).....if they can get a good strength and conditioning coach,and more 1st touch work...id back him for 1 more year

Gavlor

_blaaz wrote: »

At least under fanning theres abit of entertainment again.....but hes out of his depth as regards preparations....they were dead on their feet with 20 mins to go vs tipp (and mile off pace v clare).....if they can get a good strength and conditioning coach,and more 1st touch work...id back him for 1 more year

Entertainment for opposition fans maybe?

And surely your last two comments are fannings responsibility?

spideyman92

BloodyBill wrote: »

McGrath is a class A eejit. His sycophantic ramblings are nauseating and are doing the greater Waterford cause a disservice. If I was Fanning I'd have a word with those surrounding McGrath and ask them to tell him hes not the manager anymore.
Waterford have a great chance on Sunday. Limerick might be abit sharkey and the newcomers may need time to settle. However if they click and get into a rhythm then they ll over power any team so Waterford need to start like a train.

So if you were Fanning, you wouldn't just approach him yourself if you had an issue with him? Wouldn't exactly express a strong mentality to a squad that is rather fond of Derek. Not to mention, I think that Paraic and Derek are neighbours so it would be strange getting someone else to talk to him.

_blaaz

Gavlor wrote: »

Entertainment for opposition fans maybe?

And surely your last two comments are fannings responsibility?

Tbf they hurled emselves back into the tipp game and if fitter wouldve beaten tipp...(imo their overrated and were in process of falling apart when waterford got a run of scores)



They are fannings respinsibilty...hence how i said hes out of depth as regards preparation and needs to delegate this part of training?

DiscoStew

spideyman92 wrote: »

So if you were Fanning, you wouldn't just approach him yourself if you had an issue with him? Wouldn't exactly express a strong mentality to a squad that is rather fond of Derek. Not to mention, I think that Paraic and Derek are neighbours so it would be strange getting someone else to talk to him.

So McGrath can undermine indirectly as he likes. But if Fanning responds indirectly he is a lesser man... sounds reasonable!

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spideyman92

DiscoStew wrote: »

So McGrath can undermine indirectly as he likes. But if Fanning responds indirectly he is a lesser man... sounds reasonable!

Don't see how it even is undermining him to sing the praises of one of the better players for the county over the last few years based on a selection rumour or bringing up the point (which has been mentioned by many others) that we have lacked a leaders presence on the pitch in the past few games when things weren't going good. Would you rather he came out with scathing remarks about the lot of them?

cul beag

spideyman92 wrote: »

Don't see how it even is undermining him to sing the praises of one of the better players for the county over the last few years based on a selection rumour or bringing up the point (which has been mentioned by many others) that we have lacked a leaders presence on the pitch in the past few games when things weren't going good. Would you rather he came out with scathing remarks about the lot of them?

I’d rather he’d keep his mouth shut and walk away from it altogether. What other former county manager in either code has consistently being writing about himself/his former players and his delusions of successes as this fella? At no stage has he given the current set up room to breathe in this year’s championship because on a weekly basis he’s throwing his sensationalists headlines out there with the intent to destroy. He has had his 5 years in charge time to try another career break somewhere else.

SW1985

This place is unreal.

It's somehow always Derek McGraths fault. Now he's undermining the current management them by praising players on the panel. This obsession some of you have is unhealthy. Someone even called the last few games a return to entertaining hurling. How mental do you have to be to think that?

Road-Hog

cul beag wrote: »

I’d rather he’d keep his mouth shut and walk away from it altogether. What other former county manager in either code has consistently being writing about himself/his former players and his delusions of successes as this fella? At no stage has he given the current set up room to breathe in this year’s championship because on a weekly basis he’s throwing his sensationalists headlines out there with the intent to destroy. He has had his 5 years in charge time to try another career break somewhere else.

He obviously gets paid to write for what ever paper......I’m sure most people with take up an offer to be paid to write about a subject they are knowledgeable and passionate about.

Road-Hog

BloodyBill wrote: »

McGrath is a class A eejit. His sycophantic ramblings are nauseating and are doing the greater Waterford cause a disservice. If I was Fanning I'd have a word with those surrounding McGrath and ask them to tell him hes not the manager anymore.
Waterford have a great chance on Sunday. Limerick might be abit sharkey and the newcomers may need time to settle. However if they click and get into a rhythm then they ll over power any team so Waterford need to start like a train.

What’s your obsession with infiltrating another co’s thread.....if kiely of limerick takes to writing in papers when he calls it time on LK management will you be as critical of him....? We might be calling him a first class eejit over on this thread 🧵 and maybe some will venture into the LK one and express same views.

DiscoStew

spideyman92 wrote: »

Don't see how it even is undermining him to sing the praises of one of the better players for the county over the last few years based on a selection rumour or bringing up the point (which has been mentioned by many others) that we have lacked a leaders presence on the pitch in the past few games when things weren't going good. Would you rather he came out with scathing remarks about the lot of them?

And you choose to ignore the tactical suggestions? Such as Tadhg not going past the 45?

DiscoStew

SW1985 wrote: »

This place is unreal.

It's somehow always Derek McGraths fault. Now he's undermining the current management them by praising players on the panel. This obsession some of you have is unhealthy. Someone even called the last few games a return to entertaining hurling. How mental do you have to be to think that?

It’s not just praising a current player though. It’s dissecting tactics, making suggestions as to what tactics should be played such as Tadhg on the 45 and trying to indirectly influence management.
I have no doubt the management team take no notice, but the first thing many “supporters” will throw out is why didn’t this happen (just because McGrath said it).

It is in no way whatsoever helpful to the current setup.

SW1985

DiscoStew wrote: »

It’s not just praising a current player though. It’s dissecting tactics, making suggestions as to what tactics should be played such as Tadhg on the 45 and trying to indirectly influence management.
I have no doubt the management team take no notice, but the first thing many “supporters” will throw out is why didn’t this happen (just because McGrath said it).

It is in no way whatsoever helpful to the current setup.

McGrath had everyone you can think of taking shots at his tactics throughout his tenure. But giving an opinion on what Fanning should do is somehow beyond the pale? It's his job to give those opinions.

His overall tone has been pretty supportive from what I've read. Especially considering how bad they've been in the last 3 games.

DiscoStew

SW1985 wrote: »

McGrath had everyone you can think of taking shots at his tactics throughout his tenure. But giving an opinion on what Fanning should do is somehow beyond the pale? It's his job to give those opinions.

His overall tone has been pretty supportive from what I've read. Especially considering how bad they've been in the last 3 games.

Did the former manager, who was removed in very controversial manner, put any undue pressure on McGrath?
No, he didn’t.

I don’t begrudge McGrath’s media role but the focus on Waterford each week isn’t helpful.

TheScoringGoal

DiscoStew wrote: »

Did the former manager, who was removed in very controversial manner, put any undue pressure on McGrath?
No, he didn’t.

He certainly did.

mountgomery burns

Road-Hog wrote: »

What’s your obsession with infiltrating another co’s thread.....if kiely of limerick takes to writing in papers when he calls it time on LK management will you be as critical of him....? We might be calling him a first class eejit over on this thread 🧵 and maybe some will venture into the LK one and express same views.

Ignore that fella...has referred to both Limerick and Clare as "we" and "us" this year. Clearly a troll

Road-Hog

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Ignore that fella...has referred to both Limerick and Clare as "we" and "us" this year. Clearly a troll

You are Probably correct.

Motivator

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

He certainly did.

Michael Ryan? No he didn’t. If he did I must have missed it and would appreciate you posting a link to whatever article, podcast or talk show that he was on. Michael Ryan is a class act I very much doubt he spoke about McGrath.

He was on RTÉ with Marty Morrissey after he got the shaft but I’ve never heard him speak about the management team that proceeded him.

TheScoringGoal

Motivator wrote: »

Michael Ryan? No he didn’t. If he did I must have missed it and would appreciate you posting a link to whatever article, podcast or talk show that he was on. Michael Ryan is a class act I very much doubt he spoke about McGrath.

He was on RTÉ with Marty Morrissey after he got the shaft but I’ve never heard him speak about the management team that proceeded him.

Colm Parkinson's podcast. He was critical of the defensive approach McGrath brought in on the back of a defeat, possibly the Munster Final against Tipp in Limerick.

He was also on that tv show to bizarrely say he was interested in applying for the job after the players saying they didn't want him and he said he would walk away.